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[Warden_of_all]

It's not a matter of ignoring it, it's the fact that they aren't meant for the dragon age universe, the style dragon age uses would make the addition of such weapons seem very out of place. Instruments and fans just don't make sense in the franchise. Everything we use IS a weapon regardless to whether it's enchanted or not, at the very least the equipment we use are weapons. Nothing in the lore supports such extreme fantastical weapons making it incompatible with the game.

With the new areas that no one has gone too. How can you know if they are not used? We just haven't seen them yet. The world of Thedus is still quite an unknown, for the areas we have not been to.

[Thibax]

It's not a matter of ignoring it, it's the fact that they aren't meant for the dragon age universe, the style dragon age uses would make the addition of such weapons seem very out of place. Instruments and fans just don't make sense in the franchise. Everything we use IS a weapon regardless to whether it's enchanted or not, at the very least the equipment we use are weapons. Nothing in the lore supports such extreme fantastical weapons making it incompatible with the game.

 

I understood what you wrote. 

 

But then in the world of Dragon Age can not create new types of weapons or instruments? Will always be the same things again and again? Will never change? 

What prevents a mage enchant an object and use it?

[SerCambria358]

With the new areas that no one has gone too. How can you know if they are not used? We just haven't seen them yet. The world of Thedus is still quite an unknown, for the areas we have not been to.

But in the world of Thedas there is no point in fans being used as weapons let alone instruments. Mages don't need them to use magic, warriors have no reason to use them, I don't see why any undiscovered nation would use such weapons considering the most foreign faction (Qunari), don't result to musical instruments as weapons

[SerCambria358]

I understood what you wrote.

But then in the world of Dragon Age can not create new types of weapons or instruments? Will always be the same things again and again? Will never change?
What prevents a mage enchant an object and use it?

Well yes, that's the nature of tools and weaponry, they don't change so much as evolve. When swords and staffs do the job, why would anyone enchant instruments? They wouldn't offer anything except being aesthetically unique. It just doesn't make sense practically not does it fit in DA. There's being open minded but there's also realizing when two styles should remain separate

[Warden_of_all]

But in the world of Thedas there is no point in fans being used as weapons let alone instruments. Mages don't need them to use magic, warriors have no reason to use them, I don't see why any undiscovered nation would use such weapons considering the most foreign faction (Qunari), don't result to musical instruments as weapons

women in japan have used fans as a defensive weapon in their history. Weapons are created out of necessity not just for war.

[SerCambria358]

women in japan have used fans as a defensive weapon in their history. Weapons are created out of necessity not just for war.

Yes they were used out of a need for self defense but aren't meant as weapons of war, it would be like pepper spray being added to Call of Duty

[Warden_of_all]

Yes they were used out of a need for self defense but aren't meant as weapons of war, it would be like pepper spray being added to Call of Duty

The fact still remains that a fan can be used as a weapon. Just as a dagger can be used as a weapon. which by the way a fan can be used to stop a dagger quite well.

[SerCambria358]

The fact still remains that a fan can be used as a weapon. Just as a dagger can be used as a weapon. which by the way a fan can be used to stop a dagger quite well.

No, a fan is not comparable to a dagger. Plenty of random objects can be used for self defense that doesn't conclude that they are legitimate weapons for war when facing seasoned warriors. When facing fully armored opponents with two handers and axes, I would not be caught using a personal fan

[Warden_of_all]

If it can be used as a weapon either for defense or offense then why not. So you wont use it that's your choice. Others might like the novelty of it.

[SerCambria358]

If it can be used as a weapon either for defense or offense then why not. So you wont use it that's your choice. Others might like the novelty of it.

Because it couldn't be used for either when facing the types of opponents we see in Thedas. Using it as a means for defense against thugs doesn't conclude that it can take on warriors or dragons, a fan as a weapon is not practical on a battlefield what so ever. It's not a matter of not choosing it, it's the fact that it doesn't belong in the type of setting Dragon Age provides

[Warden_of_all]

No, a fan is not comparable to a dagger. Plenty of random objects can be used for self defense that doesn't conclude that they are legitimate weapons for war when facing seasoned warriors. When facing fully armored opponents with two handers and axes, I would not be caught using a personal fan

If the fan's frame is made of metal. Points sharpened to make small blades. Cloth replaced with leather. It can be used quite effective as a weapon.

[Warden_of_all]

Because it couldn't be used for either when facing the types of opponents we see in Thedas. Using it as a means for defense against thugs doesn't conclude that it can take on warriors or dragons, a fan as a weapon is not practical on a battlefield what so ever. It's not a matter of not choosing it, it's the fact that it doesn't belong in the type of setting Dragon Age provides

I wouldn't take a dagger up against a dragon either, but daggers are still available.

[SerCambria358]

If the fan's frame is made of metal. Points sharpened to make small blades. Cloth replaced with leather. It can be used quite effective as a weapon.

But thats also pointless because a dagger would do the job better. If i attach blades to a lamp, does that make it legitimate for battle?

I wouldn't take a dagger up against a dragon either, but daggers are still available.

You're alone of that, daggers can be effective. Beowulf killed a dragon using one 

[SNascimento]

I think the romans killed dragons too. And their swords were short. 

[AppealToReason]

I want an unarmed class and your abilities/moves come from wrestling. DDT's, suplexes, Hulking up, leg drops.

 

Then on occasion you can use weapons like barrels, chairs, ladders, tables, bats, sledgehammers, etc

[Eveangaline]

I want a trident. A golden trident. With jewels in it.

[cindercatz]

It's true the crossbow was primarily a defensive weapon where the long reload wasn't much of an issue if you're doing it behind a wall and the ease of use a massive advantage if you could just give it some random dude point and say "shoot that fucker".

 

 

It is however also true that crossbows where history's first disposible AT weapon. Give a footsoldier a standard crossbow on top of whatever he's carrying as weapon and the first armored target he sees gets a high velocity bolt through its plate, crossbow gets slung over the shoulder or otherwise simply disposed and onwards as normal with a pike/axe/whatever.

 

 

 

That's why I'd LOVE to see a Kingdoms of Alamur: Reckoning'esque weapon system. Imagine your character having his standard set of weapons s/he's using and what his/her build is centered around and carry a crossbolt as secondary weapon. First guy every battle to get near the Inquisitor gets a faceful of crossbow bolt for massive spike damage, then your character switches to his standard primary build to deal with the rest.

 

It could also open up dynamic builds if, again a lá Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning, you decide to actually build your Inquisitor (or other characters if that's supported by the game) around a binary build to deal with different situations via using two different combat systems/builds.

 

I suggested having a pilum, small thrown axe, or other optional one off weapons a while ago, too. I like the idea of having secondary weapons to open combat at range, more than the Scorpianesque mechanic. Good call.

 

Also on the wrestling suggestion, I've always wanted my characters to also be capable hand to hand, and siuations that call for it. So having some real unarmed fighting styles represented would be very cool,. Just not pretend wrestling.. lol Even if it's just in the animation. Instead of the generic placeholder weapons.

[Finnn62]

No, a fan is not comparable to a dagger. Plenty of random objects can be used for self defense that doesn't conclude that they are legitimate weapons for war when facing seasoned warriors. When facing fully armored opponents with two handers and axes, I would not be caught using a personal fan

 

All this talk of using random items as weapons makes me think of Jackie Chan movies

[spinachdiaper]

a red double bladed lightsaber and a m-8 avenger...for....the....Inquisitor...Darth Shepard!

[MetalGear312]

I would like hatchets and maybe some brass knuckles for a Rogue or something like that.

[cindercatz]

All this talk of using random items as weapons makes me think of Jackie Chan movies

Nothing wrong with that if you have a scene that calls for it. Carrying a metal fan an things like that for small weapons with formal/casual wear in different scenes would be cool. I'd like to see customizable or optional formal and casual outfits. I like bringing that over from Mass Effect. Extra small or concealed weapons would be cool to see in scenes like that, along with h2h.

[Han Shot First]

Is this actual medieval artwork? If so... holy ****. 

 

It is actual artwork from the medieval period. Some of them can be quite graphic in their depictions of violence!

[ladyoflate]

But thats also pointless because a dagger would do the job better. If i attach blades to a lamp, does that make it legitimate for battle?

You're alone of that, daggers can be effective. Beowulf killed a dragon using one 

 

You're arguing that these weapons are unrealistic and then you use a fictional character doing fictional things as support for your 'realism!' argument.

[SerCambria358]

You're arguing that these weapons are unrealistic and then you use a fictional character doing fictional things as support for your 'realism!' argument.

Im not arguing realism, im arguing that these instruments and fans arent compatible with the DA universe if they're considered weapons 

[Mirrman70]

You're arguing that these weapons are unrealistic and then you use a fictional character doing fictional things as support for your 'realism!' argument.

 

no he gave an account of a legendary figure killing a dragon with a dagger. which you said doesn't happen. there would be no real world examples of dragon killing as there is no such thing as dragons.