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[Daemul]

 

Btw I don't know when people started to turn on Mass Effect 2

Since it came out. Don't let the press awards fool you, that game got quite a bit of backlash when it came out, not to the scale of ME3's ending, but enough to sour people off the franchise. On a forum called NeoGAF, you've probably heard of it, the backlash was such that any thread about the games would always devolve into constant bitching within a few pages, so a separate thread had to be created to keep the bitching within one place. Enjoy the read.

 

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=436434

 

My favourite quotes from the thread.

 

As for the ending, it's going to be pretty terrible. No way around that. 

 

"Who believes that ME3 will have a satisfying ending? - aka The Anti-Lost"

 

Anyway, who else remembers gems like Hudson having to come out and defend ME2's complete lack of story by saying that the characters WERE the story? Good times. 

[wolfhowwl]

Btw I don't know when people started to turn on Mass Effect 2, but I think it's absolutely crazy. If people are gonna start crapping on Mass Effect 2, then let's just denounce the entire trilogy and call it a day. Mass Effect 2 didn't "reboot" the universe, it expanded on it. They took what they established ME1, and fleshed it out even further. As much as I love ME1, the world felt kinda empty. It had this lonely atmosphere to it. But then ME2 came along and made these worlds actually feel rich and alive. ME2 is guilty of deviating too far from the Reaper storyline, and dumbing down the RPG elements. That's pretty much it. Other than that it's a fantastic entry in the series and a great game.

 

Really now, that's it?

 

The Lazarus Project was stupid.

 

Aborting a reaper baby was stupid.

 

Retconning the Council was stupid.

 

The Collector plot is poorly developed as is the "suicide mission." The final choice is also stupid.

 

Not only does ME2 fail to advance the overarching narrative, it also ignores its own plot in favor running errands for the squad and dealing with daddy issues.

 

Cerberus was retconned, the player railroaded into working with them, and Shepard just derps along even if he had personal knowledge of their atrocities in ME1. Cerberus' second incarnation is also poorly written as well and largely carried by Mr. Sheen's excellent voice acting.

 

There's fan service out the ass that in some cases ignores prior development.

 

Edit: I forgot one more thing...

 

The game is about the CHARACTERS and BUILDING A TEAM and yet the handling of that is very shallow. The actual team part sucks with these characters existing in a vacuum from each other and not growing together. The characters also only come alive during their recruitment/loyalty mission being little more than mannequins in other missions. Both Dragon Age games (yes, even II) handled this much better.

[dreamgazer]

Seriously? You're going to be a smug jerkass? Disappointed Dream, you're better than that. I was trying to be respectful towards you, because I felt you deserved it and earned it. But if we're dropping those pretenses now...

Hey, you "challenged" me, Massively. You're the one getting all uptight about me pointing out evident flaws in the game. I don't consider my tone "smug" at all.

I disagree with you, as do others. It happens. Try to lower the hostility level.

[Reorte]

ME2 had plenty of issues, sure, but it managed to be fun and engaging in spite of them. It mostly hit the atmosphere and feel spot on and the flaws didn't do that much to spit in the face of the aspects I enjoyed, unlike ME3's big issue.

[dreamgazer]

Really now, that's it?
 
The Lazarus Project was stupid.
 
Aborting a reaper baby was stupid.
 
Retconning the Council was stupid.
 
The Collector plot is poorly developed as is the "suicide mission." The final choice is also stupid.
 
Not only does ME2 fail to advance the overarching narrative, it also ignores its own plot in favor running errands for the squad and dealing with daddy issues.
 
Cerberus was retconned, the player railroaded into working with them, and Shepard just derps along even if he had personal knowledge of their atrocities in ME1. Cerberus' second incarnation is also poorly written as well and largely carried by Mr. Sheen's excellent voice acting.
 
There's fan service out the ass that in some cases ignores prior development.

It's a more negative outlook on ME2 than I have, but yeah.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Lazarus Project, in how it was described, was impossible. 

Shepard had a suit breach. When exposed to vacuum, water cold-boils due to the lack of air pressure. His/her brain would've been completely destroyed. 

[Deathsaurer]

The Lazarus Project, in how it was described, was impossible. 

Shepard had a suit breach. When exposed to vacuum, water cold-boils due to the lack of air pressure. His/her brain would've been completely destroyed. 

But... the helmet, that was left on the planet, protected Shepard.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

But... the helmet, that was left on the planet, protected Shepard.

Can't tell if serious. 

Well, since the helmet is found on the planet, then that's proof that Shep lost it. Sooooo, yeah. 

[Deathsaurer]

That was an excuse in the Cronos Station video logs. I laughed.

[dreamgazer]

That was an excuse in the Cronos Station video logs. I laughed.

 

Wasn't the helmet's integrity a running theory on these boards during the ME2 release? Thought I remember it. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

That was an excuse in the Cronos Station video logs. I laughed.

 

It was a really good helmet?(?!?)

[Deathsaurer]

Wasn't the helmet's integrity a running theory on these boards during the ME2 release? Thought I remember it. 

I dunno, I wasn't here then. If the helmet did anything you'd expect it wouldn't have been left on the planet for you to find later.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

There are realistic, scientific reasons that Lazarus Project is stupid and a horrible idea, and then there are the story-telling ones. 

All it did to effect the story: Move the setting forward two years, and provide a flimsy excuse to shoehorn Shepard into Cerberus. 

That's all it did. Shepard laughs it off, without any side effects. "Oh yeah, I just got spaced and suffocated while my blood boiled and my body exploded. Well, time to sleep with a clear view of space and go around not be traumatized whatsoever."

[dreamgazer]

That's all it did. Shepard laughs it off, without any side effects. "Oh yeah, I just got spaced and suffocated while my blood boiled and my body exploded. Well, time to sleep with a clear view of space and go around not be traumatized whatsoever."

 

Not true.  S/he did wince a little bit after waking up.

 

[Mathias]

Since it came out. Don't let the press awards fool you, that game got quite a bit of backlash when it came out, not to the scale of ME3's ending, but enough to sour people off the franchise. On a forum called NeoGAF, you've probably heard of it, the backlash was such that any thread about the games would always devolve into constant bitching within a few pages, so a separate thread had to be created to keep the bitching within one place. Enjoy the read.

 

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=436434

 

My favourite quotes from the thread.

 

 

 

Anyway, who else remembers gems like Hudson having to come out and defend ME2's complete lack of story by saying that the characters WERE the story? Good times. 

 

NeoGAF is notorious for their complaining. They're basically 4chan lite. Doesn't surprise me at all that they were flailing their arms crying out betrayal. Plus there are people in that link you provided saying they liked ME2. I certainly haven't imagined all the polls and conventions I've seen, where when asked what their favorite Mass Effect game was, ME2 won the majority of the votes. I love ME1, it's my favorite of the franchise, but ME2 was an amazing game. People who hated ME2 need to get their heads outta their rear. That game deserved the awards it got.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hey, you "challenged" me, Massively. You're the one getting all uptight about me pointing out evident flaws in the game. I don't consider my tone "smug" at all.

I disagree with you, as do others. It happens. Try to lower the hostility level.

 

I wasn't uptight or upset about you pointing out points of contention in the game, or with the people who disagree with me. I'm disputing the 'flaws' that you're calling out, because I disagree with you. As do others. It happens. Sorry, I gotta pull this on you because its application is just as fitting.

 

I am however getting uptight over your attitude here now. It's rather perplexing, since you're usually on the ball and mellow. 

 

Your tone was very smug; telling me to 'ease up soldier' was something I took as a pointed jab, as is the rough snip to lower my hostility. I'm only gauging at yours. You want me to be less hostile? Be less hostile.

[Iakus]

I will completely agree with that. Then again in ME3 we've seen what happens when Bioware writers take Shep's personality from our control and try to do their own mental distress thing with him.

 

How about letting us shape Shepard's personality?

 

You know, role-play  

[AlanC9]

Since it came out. Don't let the press awards fool you, that game got quite a bit of backlash when it came out, not to the scale of ME3's ending, but enough to sour people off the franchise. On a forum called NeoGAF, you've probably heard of it, the backlash was such that any thread about the games would always devolve into constant bitching within a few pages, so a separate thread had to be created to keep the bitching within one place. Enjoy the read.

Bio's own boards had plenty of ME2 complaints themselves. Anyone else remember Gatt9? He was more or less that cycle's iakus.

[Iakus]

Bio's own boards had plenty of ME2 complaints themselves. Anyone else remember Gatt9? He was more or less that cycle's iakus.

I'd like to think Iakus was that cycle's Iakus 

[Iakus]

Probably missed the response: Ilos orbits while the Conduit is static, Mako couldn't transmit weight and size info, Mako makes it through the Citadel's infrastructure, Mako's velocity was just enough to land it somewhat safely on its side. Let alone the fact that it's magically still active just until Shepard and crew drive (lol!) through it.

 

Okay, point by point:

1) All relays orbit.  Heck the Charon relay is actually supposed to be Charon, as in the moon orbiting Pluto.  SO what difference does it make if the relay is on the ground or in space?

 

2) How do you know the Mako can't transmit this info, or the Conduit couldn't detect that on its own?

 

3) You realize that relays let ships pass through planets, asteroids, other ships, even stars, right?

 

4) While the amount of drift was fortuitously low enough that it didn't end up in a wall, it's not really unusual that the Mako came out at a velocity similar to what it entered the corridor at.

 

5) No, it doesn't.  Dawdle too long and it turns off

 

And Cerberus did, actually, research the extent of the Lazarus Project, but they never reveal the details of their findings. Because it's not really possible now, kinda like a telepathic plant and Shepard's brain being given the collective unconscious of the Protheans through a two-step mental process. 

 

Except no one ever learns how a telepathic plant works.  It will remain a mystery to the galaxy for the foreseeable future.  Cerberus mastered Lazarus tech enough to get it working.  And there's at least one person (Miranda) who knows how it works

[DeinonSlayer]

The Lazarus Project, in how it was described, was impossible. 

Shepard had a suit breach. When exposed to vacuum, water cold-boils due to the lack of air pressure. His/her brain would've been completely destroyed. 

Only thing which would remotely make sense to me would be if:

 

1) Shepard did NOT enter Alchera's atmosphere ((s)he has more than one set of armor, after all)

2) Shepard had a greybox

3) Cerberus loaded the memories from that graybox into a cloned brain

[KaiserShep]

Forget telepathic plants. How about plants that can manufacture weapons and armor on top of the clones?

[Obadiah]

You have to figure that Shepard's body armor would at least act like a pressure suit, in addition to being sealed so damage to vacuum would be localized.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Only thing which would remotely make sense to me would be if:

 

1) Shepard did NOT enter Alchera's atmosphere ((s)he has more than one set of armor, after all)

2) Shepard had a greybox

3) Cerberus loaded the memories from that graybox into a cloned brain

 

I would have changed Shepard's death scenario to something similar to Starkiller in TFU: He is ejected into space and asphyxiates from a damaged oxygen seal while being frozen in space. Actually, it's more similar to what happened to Dr. Frank Poole in 2001: A Space Odyssey, and how he was recovered and resurrected in 3001: The Final Odyssey.

[Iakus]

Forget telepathic plants. How about plants that can manufacture weapons and armor on top of the clones?

 

This is Mass Effect.  Not The Witcher