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[Reorte]

Of course. But apparently, they have the power to grant a species a seat on the council and to anoint Spectres, without having to check back with their government. And they have the power to control the Citadel fleet. 

It's confusing, and would all be cleared up by actually making them the head of state. 

If they were heads of state then the Council would have direct internal influence in some of their members' governments. I get the impression that the governments are supposed to be internally entirely self-governing and the Council is supposed to act as independently as possible. Obviously it won't be all that independent - councillors will naturally be at least somewhat supportive of their homeworlds, and the Council would fail without support from the governments, who are unlikely to support it if it didn't support them.

 

Anyway, it can't work worse than the EU.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

If they were heads of state then the Council would have direct internal influence in some of their members' governments. I get the impression that the governments are supposed to be internally entirely self-governing and the Council is supposed to act as independently as possible. Obviously it won't be all that independent - councillors will naturally be at least somewhat supportive of their homeworlds, and the Council would fail without support from the governments, who are unlikely to support it if it didn't support them.

 

Anyway, it can't work worse than the EU.

But... shouldn't they? The Citadel doesn't hold much power, and its fleet is comprised of ships from the three-four major governments. It should be the heads of state if they act they way they do, as we never see them conferring with their governments. 

Oh please, the EU is a hundred times better, and far less contradictory, than half the movies. 

[von uber]

Took me a second to realise you were talking about Star Wars and not actually the EU.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Took me a second to realise you were talking about Star Wars and not actually the EU.

Maybe he was. I don't know, but I had mentioned the Triumvirate in a previous post so I assumed it was SW. 

[Ryriena]

In Me2 Shepard says that's democray for you to balliey. Oh and how we share power to Javki but it's not really shown how they share that power.

[Bob from Accounting]

Yes. And Shepard is talking about the governor or whatever of the local ward. There's no reason to assume the Council, which concerns itself with the entire galaxy, works on the same system.

[Ryriena]

However, the codex also said that it worked as a democratic system but it sounded to me like tribal rule.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

What happened to my posts?

[Oni Changas]

Blah blah council schmouncil. This thread is way off topic and may as well be closed at this point.

[ImaginaryMatter]

What happened to my posts?

 

I guess they were off topic or they involved David (maybe both?).

[Ryriena]

What happened to my posts?

He got them deleted probably I saw them though good points.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I guess they were off topic or they involved David (maybe both?).

There was a quite a bit of scoffing. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

His posts are gone as well. By chance, message me with what his and your posts were if you can.

[ImaginaryMatter]

There was a quite a bit of scoffing. 

 

Ya, you can almost feel the heroic spittle as you read his posts.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Senator for Naboo was also the Chommell sector representative; as one of Chommell's largest and most populous worlds, Naboo had disproportionate weight in representation. See e.g. Darth Plagueis for something of an attempt to accommodate the often bizarre nature of Rim sector politics and representation in the final century of the Republic.

Core Worlds usually managed to get around the sectorial representation issue with special dispensations for 'tradition', economic power, and the like; hence why both Corellia and Duro had senatorial representation after Ruusan. This helped to give the Core greater political power, but the fact that these Senate seats had representation without being sectorial representatives opened the door to allow for representation for other non-sectorial interests, including eventually the Trade Federation.


Double-hatting leaders that already have to manage the internal affairs of states that incorporate hundreds of worlds and billions of souls seems like a bad idea to me.

If Naboo is the most populated planet of the Chommell sector, then it must be a pretty bare sector. As far as I know, there are one or two city's on the planet, and the one in the movie is smaller than where I grew up. Note that I try to avoid books dating from that time period, as I try hard to avoid it. I'm sure you can guess why. Is the book any good?

It wasn't just in the last century that Corellia and Duro were hugely powerful; they were two of the founding systems of the Republic when the loose conglomeration of trade alliances it came from was attacked by the remnants of Xim's Empire. Corellia has always insanely powerful, (I'd call it the overall most powerful system in the Galaxy), and if Naboo and the Chommel Sector get one seat, Corellia should get twenty. 

[Aimi]

If Naboo is the most populated planet of the Chommell sector, then it must be a pretty bare sector. As far as I know, there are one or two city's on the planet, and the one in the movie is smaller than where I grew up. Note that I try to avoid books dating from that time period, as I try hard to avoid it. I'm sure you can guess why. Is the book any good?

It wasn't just in the last century that Corellia and Duro were hugely powerful; they were two of the founding systems of the Republic when the loose conglomeration of trade alliances it came from was attacked by the remnants of Xim's Empire. Corellia has always insanely powerful, (I'd call it the overall most powerful system in the Galaxy), and if Naboo and the Chommel Sector get one seat, Corellia should get twenty.

The Chommell sector was relatively small and of low population, yes. Furthermore, of the settled systems in the astrographical Chommell sector, only a very small percentage were actually in the Republic: most were dependencies of some kind. There's also Naboo's economic weight to consider: as an exporter of plasma and high-energy products, it was the only Chommell world likely to be known by anybody else in the galaxy in the final century of the Republic - and that was before Palpatine's rise to fame, and before the blockade.

Darth Plagueis is generally regarded to be one of the better EU books. It filled in canonical gaps and told a pretty interesting story. Ever since the canonical nuke that Lucasfilm dropped a few weeks ago, it's not clear whether those canonical gaps actually matter, but the story's still all right.

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The reason I said "final century of the Republic" is because Chommell sector in general and Naboo specifically were still pretty much no-name areas of the galaxy until the energy boom at that time. Darth Plagueis described a state of affairs that didn't really apply to Rim politics before then.

The "final century" comment didn't refer to the situation with Corellia and Duro, which were founding members of the Republic and retained their Senate seats throughout that body's existence. When the Republic's government was reformed a thousand years before the Clone Wars, many old Senate posts were consolidated as the galaxy was reorganized into a network of 1,024 larger sectors to cut down on the number of representatives in the Senate. Corellia and Duro were some of the exceptions to the rule there.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Chommell sector was relatively small and of low population, yes. Furthermore, of the settled systems in the astrographical Chommell sector, only a very small percentage were actually in the Republic: most were dependencies of some kind. There's also Naboo's economic weight to consider: as an exporter of plasma and high-energy products, it was the only Chommell world likely to be known by anybody else in the galaxy in the final century of the Republic - and that was before Palpatine's rise to fame, and before the blockade.

Darth Plagueis is generally regarded to be one of the better EU books. It filled in canonical gaps and told a pretty interesting story. Ever since the canonical nuke that Lucasfilm dropped a few weeks ago, it's not clear whether those canonical gaps actually matter, but the story's still all right.

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The reason I said "final century of the Republic" is because Chommell sector in general and Naboo specifically were still pretty much no-name areas of the galaxy until the energy boom at that time. Darth Plagueis described a state of affairs that didn't really apply to Rim politics before then.

The "final century" comment didn't refer to the situation with Corellia and Duro, which were founding members of the Republic and retained their Senate seats throughout that body's existence. When the Republic's government was reformed a thousand years before the Clone Wars, many old Senate posts were consolidated as the galaxy was reorganized into a network of 1,024 larger sectors to cut down on the number of representatives in the Senate. Corellia and Duro were some of the exceptions to the rule there.

Interesting. I wonder if Kessel had representation. Anyway, you'd think there'd be a better planet to blockade along the Rimma Trade Route if one is trying to make a point, like Thyferra. 

Maybe I'll get it once I finish with the Legacy comics and re-reading the Yuuzhan Vong books. 

 

[wolfhowwl]

Apparently David's posts were removed.

 

Were the mods so intimidated by such unchecked heroism on the forums that they had to silence the Messiah with brute force?

 

With the Avatar of Heroism vanquished who is left to defend the virtues of blushing virgins in BioWare games?

[dreamgazer]

Apparently David's posts were removed.
 
Were the mods so intimidated by such unchecked heroism on the forums that they had to silence the Messiah with brute force?
 
With the Avatar of Heroism vanquished who is left to defend the virtues of blushing virgins in BioWare games?

Bob7204, naturally.

[78stonewobble]

Ditch the catalyst... Intelligent biological life is our baconz is more than enough explanation for reapers... Or just say their AI went crazy. Crazy doesn't need logic and logic is where the catalyst fails. 

 

Keep the crucible as a giant galaxywide anti reaper EMP bomb. Because theres like 44.000 reapers versus what? 50 dreadnaughts and a few hundred to few thousand cruicers and lesser ships? Conventional victory is not possible. Unless we count an emp bomb as conventional. 

[AlanC9]

Ditch the catalyst... Intelligent biological life is our baconz is more than enough explanation for reapers... Or just say their AI went crazy. Crazy doesn't need logic and logic is where the catalyst fails. 

The former doesn't work. Exterminating all your pigs every 50,000 years is a horribly inefficient way of getting bacon.

Crazy works, but if the problem with the Catalyst is that he doesn't make sense, how is crazy an improvement?

[78stonewobble]

The former doesn't work. Exterminating all your pigs every 50,000 years is a horribly inefficient way of getting bacon.

Crazy works, but if the problem with the Catalyst is that he doesn't make sense, how is crazy an improvement?

 

If you metalbolism or digestion is slow enough. Sure it can work. With all the infrastructure in place it's basically husbandry anyway. With the whole galaxy as a farm. We're talking beings that are up to 2 billion years old. 50.000 years to them is like... 2-3 months to us.  

 

Because we all know crazy doesn't have to make sense. We accept that. Silence of the lambs doesn't flat because the attraction of making clothes out of humans is unfathomable to the rest of us. 

[Farangbaa]

Ditch the catalyst... Intelligent biological life is our baconz is more than enough explanation for reapers... Or just say their AI went crazy. Crazy doesn't need logic and logic is where the catalyst fails. 

 

Keep the crucible as a giant galaxywide anti reaper EMP bomb. Because theres like 44.000 reapers versus what? 50 dreadnaughts and a few hundred to few thousand cruicers and lesser ships? Conventional victory is not possible. Unless we count an emp bomb as conventional. 

 

Oh come on. If EMP worked on the Reapers, there'd be no war.

 

It would go something this:

 

'We are the harbingers of your salvation through destruction, prepare for...'*KSSSSZZZTTTZS*

'Time to party!'

[78stonewobble]

Oh come on. If EMP worked on the Reapers, there'd be no war.

 

It would go something this:

 

'We are the harbingers of your salvation through destruction, prepare for...'*KSSSSZZZTTTZS*

'Time to party!'

 

Which is why I mentioned the special anti reaper EMP those require. 

 

If we could beat them conventionally we've basically reduced the scope from david and goliath to the fisticuffs between equally skilled and weighted boxers. Which can be fun enough, but not exactly epic in any way or special. 

[CronoDragoon]

Which is why I mentioned the special anti reaper EMP those require. 

 

If we could beat them conventionally we've basically reduced the scope from david and goliath to the fisticuffs between equally skilled and weighted boxers. Which can be fun enough, but not exactly epic in any way or special. 

 

"Special anti-reaper EMP" is still just a space magic weapon.