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#51
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Any N7 operator? Or any N6, N5, N4, N3, N2, or N? 

Where do you get this from? There is nothing in the lore that states you have to be N "enter number here" to be considered for Spectre candidacy. All we know from the codex is that Spectres need to have years of Military or Law Enforcement experience to even be considered, something Ash and Kaidan have in abundance. By the way, using your logic, individuals in Law Enforcement would never be considered for the Spectres since none of them are N "enter number here". 

 

You put way too much stock in this N thing mate. 



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Where do you get this from? There is nothing in the lore that states you have to be N "enter number here" to be considered for Spectre candidacy. All we know from the codex is that Spectres need to have years of Military or Law Enforcement experience to even be considered, something Ash and Kaidan have in abundance. By the way, using your logic, individuals in Law Enforcement would never be considered for the Spectres since none of them are N "enter number here". 

 

You put way too much stock in this N thing mate. 

But if one is going to nominate a soldier, then one should nominate the best possible soldier. 

Too much stock? 

 

Interplanetary Combatives Training (ICT) is the Systems Alliance's premier school for leadership and combat expertise. The Interplanetary Combatives Academy, sometimes called "N-School" or "the villa," recruits officers from every branch of Earth's militaries to partake in grueling courses at Vila Militar in Rio de Janeiro.

Initially, candidates train for more than 20 hours per day, leading small combat teams through hostile terrain with little sleep or food. Trainees who do well are awarded an internal designation of N1 and are invited to return. Subsequent courses - N2 through N6 - are often held off-planet and include instruction in zero-G combat, military free-fall (parachuting), jetpack flight, combat diving, combat instruction, linguistics, and frontline trauma care for human and alien biology.

The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in combat zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the covetedN7 designation. N7 is the only ICT designation that may be worn on field or dress uniforms.

There is little shame in failing an N course - the training is so extreme that even qualifying for N1 elevates an officer to a position of respect. The universal prestige of merely attending the academy helps to restrain trainees from taking excessive risks in pursuit of higher honors.

Although ICT qualification by itself does not guarantee higher rank, those officers who are able to complete the program are typically well suited to senior leadership positions.

 


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Where do you get this from? There is nothing in the lore that states you have to be N "enter number here" to be considered for Spectre candidacy. All we know from the codex is that Spectres need to have years of Military or Law Enforcement experience to even be considered, something Ash and Kaidan have in abundance. By the way, using your logic, individuals in Law Enforcement would never be considered for the Spectres since none of them are N "enter number here". 

 

You put way too much stock in this N thing mate. 

 

If they want another human Spectre you would expect them to choose from the entire pool of human candidates, N7s are the top of that pool. Especially, compared to someone like Ashley who only has above average marksman scores but otherwise little else in terms of skills or aptitude. However, N7's by virtue of their designation have those skills and aptitudes.

 

So, yes while Ashley meets some bare minimum requirements there are others, most noticeably the N7s who simply have more to offer. I don't think TBG was making the argument that the N7 designation was needed, simply that N7s are more qualified.



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The VS is getting in because of their status as a war hero/ME1. Just as Shepard's service history brought them to the Council's attention. If an E6 (whatever that is) had been involved in Tofan/Elysium/Akuze and did what Shepard did, they'd come to the Council's attention.

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If they want another human Spectre you would expect them to choose from the entire pool of human candidates, N7s are the top of that pool. Especially, compared to someone like Ashley who only has above average marksman scores but otherwise little else in terms of skills or aptitude. However, N7's by virtue of their designation have those skills and aptitudes.

 

So, yes while Ashley meets some bare minimum requirements there are others, most noticeably the N7s who simply have more to offer. I don't think TBG was making the argument that the N7 designation was needed, simply that N7s are more qualified.

 

What you say about Ashley is not really true. 

 

Drill Instructor Gunnery Chief Ellison noted her steadfast endurance and aggressive instincts, and promoted her to squad leader. Subsequently Ashley is promoted again to platoon guide after her effective tutelage of the less skilled members of her training unit. Her platoon had logged unanimous positive feedback on her leadership in a recent fitness review cycle, and fellow soldier Private Nirali Bhatia praised her focus on team-building exercises and "tough but fair" discipline.
 
Despite glowing performance reviews, Ashley is denied further opportunities for advancement. Having served on numerous groundside garrisons she has repeatedly requested a transfer to a shipboard posting, but each request had been denied, without explicit reasons.

 

 

I have no idea how this translates to "little else in terms of skills and aptitude", especially since Shepard does say that Ashley has very high technical scores and shouldn't be where she is in ME1. 



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What you say about Ashley is not really true. 

 

I have no idea how this translates to "little else in terms of skills and aptitude", especially since Shepard does say that Ashley has very high technical scores and shouldn't be where she is in ME1. 

 

Yes, and that's peanuts compared to the N7 requirements.



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The VS is getting in because of their status as a war hero/ME1. Just as Shepard's service history brought them to the Council's attention. If an E6 (whatever that is) had been involved in Tofan/Elysium/Akuze and did what Shepard did, they'd come to the Council's attention.

 

Yep. You do also have to remember that being put forward for becoming a Spectre is also a political affair. The VS and Shepard are where they are today not only because of their skills but because they had powerful people vouching for them, namely Hackett, Anderson and Udina. Many other N7's, high ranking law enforcement officers etc, even if they have the skills, do not have this kind of political clout behind them, so they ain't even going to get a mention. It's complete BS, but thats how it works in life. 



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The VS is getting in because of their status as a war hero/ME1. Just as Shepard's service history brought them to the Council's attention. If an E6 (whatever that is) had been involved in Tofan/Elysium/Akuze and did what Shepard did, they'd come to the Council's attention.

E-6 is a Staff Sergeant or SSG

 

When addressing that individual it would be Sergeant Jones



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Yep. You do also have to remember that being put forward for becoming a Spectre is also a political affair. The VS and Shepard are where they are today not only because of their skills but because they had powerful people vouching for them, namely Hackett, Anderson and Udina. Many other N7's, high ranking law enforcement officers etc, even if they have the skills, do not have this kind of political clout behind them, so they ain't even going to get a mention. It's complete BS, but thats how it works in life. 

 

Shepard survived Elysium/Torfan/Akuze. I'm not saying her promotion to Spectre wasn't a political move, but she actually has some noteworthy historical military moment that makes sure that yes, she deserves to be a Spectre.

 

Williams and Alenko have a long history of being saved by Shepard. Not much there to account for that fancy Spectre title and with them, it was purely political move.


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E-6 is a Staff Sergeant or SSG

In the US, sure. But the Alliance Military Vocational Code system doesn't have anything to do with rank, but specialization and proficiency. N is special operations. Who knows what the others are.

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Williams and Alenko have a long history of being saved by Shepard. Not much there to account for that fancy Spectre title and with them, it was purely political move.

 

Surely you could see how an ME1 player that took Ash/Kaiden everywhere might see it differently, right? Those two are heroes of the battle of the Citadel, too. Not to mention everything else in ME1.



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Ehm.... no offense peeps, but this topic was about James Vega, and not about Spectre candidacy.... :rolleyes:



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Yes, and that's peanuts compared to the N7 requirements.

 

It's not as if Ashley could up and join the N program, BS politics prior to ME1 stopped that from happening. She could only display her skills in a very limited environment, and what she did display got her glowing performance reviews, but again, BS politics. I see no reason why Ashley couldn't have gotten N7 designation if she had been held back due to, once again, BS politics due to some racist high ranking officers who hate the idea of a human General surrounding to aliens to save his men. Oh the audacity! 



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I love Vega's ignorance of quarian anatomy during Citadel.

 

"Do they even have...er...you know..."

 

"Do they have what, James?"

 

"Nevermind."


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Williams and Alenko have a long history of being saved by Shepard. Not much there to account for that fancy Spectre title and with them, it was purely political move.

You can say this about every squadmate. Shepard saves everyone asses at one point or another. Being saved be Space Jesus does not discount you from being a Spectre. 



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As I posted before. James kicks butt. He's a tank and I use him more than any other character when playing ME3.


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Surely you could see how an ME1 player that took Ash/Kaiden everywhere might see it differently, right? Those two are heroes of the battle of the Citadel, too. Not to mention everything else in ME1.


I took Kaiden on all mission along with Garrus. He deserved that stats just as much as Shepard did I can't wait to play the citdeal DLC with the Kaiden romance as my option.
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As I posted before. James kicks butt. He's a tank and I use him more than any other character when playing ME3.

Damn right. The dude never dies. He's a beast with the N7 Crusader. 



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Surely you could see how an ME1 player that took Ash/Kaiden everywhere might see it differently, right? Those two are heroes of the battle of the Citadel, too. Not to mention everything else in ME1.

 

True, but Shepard proved her own merit. Everybody under her command is great because they are under her command. Might suck and make Shep look like, well... I guess space Jesus is as good a term as any. But that's the way it is.

 

You can say this about every squadmate. Shepard saves everyone asses at one point or another. Being saved be Space Jesus does not discount you from being a Spectre. 

 

Nope, it helps you become one :)



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He also held off Geth at the bomb site for like ten mintnues, while I decide on whom to pick during that mission.
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It's not as if Ashley could up and join the N program, BS politics prior to ME1 stopped that from happening. She could only display her skills in a very limited environment, and what she did display got her glowing performance reviews, but again, BS politics. I see no reason why Ashley couldn't have gotten N7 designation if she had been held back due to, once again, BS politics due to some racist high ranking officers who hate the idea of a human General surrounding to aliens to save his men. Oh the audacity!


Yup the audacity that a general wouldn't want to not slaughter his men for a stupid reasons.

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True, but Shepard proved her own merit. Everybody under her command is great because they are under her command. Might suck and make Shep look like, well... I guess space Jesus is as good a term as any. But that's the way it is.

 

That's a risk that many organizations are willing to take, though: promoting based on association with excellence, or being an integral part of an excellent group. Just look at all the assistant coaches that get jobs as head coaches based on how successful the Spurs under Popovich have been, for example.



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Nope, it helps you become one :)

 

True. Being with Space Jesus did help Tali become an Admiral, Garrus become, something, Wrex become leader of his people and Liara went from virgin Scientist to virgin Shadowbroker. 

 

I kid, I kid. Maybe.  :P



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True. Being with Space Jesus did help Tali become an Admiral, Garrus become, something, Wrex become leader of his people and Liara went from virgin Scientist to virgin Shadowbroker.

I kid, I kid. Maybe. :P


Still virgin in all my play though.

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I love Vega's ignorance of quarian anatomy during Citadel.

 

"Do they even have...er...you know..."

 

"Do they have what, James?"

 

"Nevermind."


I love his curiosity for Garrus's manly parts 

"Hey, how do you two...I mean, is he...you know. Do turians have all the same...?" 

"The same...?" 

"Nevermind. I don't really want to know." 


C'mon James, after that lil contest you had with Garrus in the mess hall, I'm sure you're tight enough to ask him yourself  :lol: