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#126
Ryriena

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I bet ol' lizard lips Feron went down on the azure. My Liaramancers look at him ****-eyed. Don't like how Liara pratically breathes Feron when she says it. :angry:


I knows how you feel man it felt werid at how she said that when romanced. So I moved on to Garrus playing a female or Miranda after that if I was male. Cough. Never going the way of Jacob again.
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#127
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She does get the achievement, though. UNLIKE THANE.

 

Not that I'm still bitter. >> <<

 

I didn't think she did, since she's never been considered an official romance.  Don't tell MelisandreShep that, though.

 

Also, Miranda has absolutely no reason to be on the Normandy. 

 

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Also, Miranda has absolutely no reason to be on the Normandy. 

 

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Miranda fans are coming.


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#129
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I hated him, when they first showed his generic millitary man self in concept art on the site I didn't like him he was too cliche, then he got on steroids in game and I was like wow! having a hard time finding a uniform there? I didn't even reconize him as the same guy I knew they changed his name but then they really beefed him up he was the only one in the place not dressed in standard gear (before Ash shows up as a gogo dancer). His flirting was harrasment (he doesn't ever ge the hint to stop), and his pet names were just the final straw for me and this guy I wanted to airlock him more so then Miranda which was quite an acheivement on its own. I hope they don't make another character like him. 



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A case could be made for Kaidan, but Ash is in no way qualified.

 There were many threads locked due to this very topic why one was qualified over the other to be spector and we'd also get the tri-case of Kaiden vs Garrus vs Ash for who should be  spector as well.



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Also, Miranda has absolutely no reason to be on the Normandy. 

Really? She would have more use than a few of the ones we have on the ship in ME3.


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#132
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Also, Miranda has absolutely no reason to be on the Normandy. 

 

She´s on the Normanday in ME3? What?



#133
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She´s on the Normanday in ME3? What?

Someone mentioned she had more reason than Garrus. 
 

 

Really? She would have more use than a few of the ones we have on the ship in ME3.

Like what? Maybe Tali, but all of the others have a far greater aptitude in combat. 

She apparently doesn't know where any of the Cerberus assets are, and the last thing ME3 needed was more helping out characters and their daddy issues. We had enough of that in ME2. 

It doesn't even make sense for her character to be there. It would make much better sense to run across her as she targets Cerberus operations. 



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I bet ol' lizard lips Feron went down on the azure. My Liaramancers look at him ****-eyed. Don't like how Liara pratically breathes Feron when she says it. :angry:

In all fairness, she'd probably use that same tone of voice if she was saying the name of the doorman in her apartment building.

 

 

Like what? Maybe Tali, but all of the others have a far greater aptitude in combat. 

She apparently doesn't know where any of the Cerberus assets are, and the last thing ME3 needed was more helping out characters and their daddy issues. We had enough of that in ME2. 

It doesn't even make sense for her character to be there. It would make much better sense to run across her as she targets Cerberus operations. 

 

In ME2, Miranda was a killing machine when her powers were leveled up. With heavy warp, overload and slam, she was easily one of the most powerful of the squad members. She was not a crowd controller like Jack, but she could take out single enemies very quickly. She's a better biotic than Kaidan is.

 

I guess the problem with her knowledge of Cerberus assets in ME3 has a lot to do with the fact that she can die. Whether she's alive or dead, we still find Sanctuary and we still get a lead to Cronos.


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#135
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I don't think there is much of a point to argue who is most useful on the Normandy in ME3. It's the third/last installment in the trilogy. It only makes sense for the developers to leave in as many of the old squadmates in Shep's team in ME3 as possible, instead of introducing a bunch of totally new but somehow useful characters like James. James is awesome, but experiencing the story with James is not the same as experiencing it with Liara/Tali/Garrus/Kaidan/Ash, just because of the history of their friendship. At the same time, however, some of these characters from ME1 should have new and important roles just because of how much their time with Shep made them grow. 

Also it's on part of the character's decision. Even Shep told Tali she should go with her people, but Tali wanted to stay with Shep until the end. Shep could've told all the others they had some place where they could be of better use, but they all probably would've said the same thing, just because. 



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Someone mentioned she had more reason than Garrus. 
 

 

Like what? Maybe Tali, but all of the others have a far greater aptitude in combat. 

She apparently doesn't know where any of the Cerberus assets are, and the last thing ME3 needed was more helping out characters and their daddy issues. We had enough of that in ME2. 

It doesn't even make sense for her character to be there. It would make much better sense to run across her as she targets Cerberus operations. 

She could be on the ship trying to figure out why Cerberus is fighting Shepard and try to figure out where they will attack next. She will be safe on the ship where she doesn't have to worry about being caught by Cerberus assassins.

 

She would be better than having Liara on the ship whose usefulness ended after Mars. She's better than having the robot who is only on the ship to promote the stupid green crap of an ending. Garrus has no purpose in ME3. Tali is only there if you choose peace otherwise she has nothing to offer. Javik is a dlc character so you don't have to recruit him.

 

She would be a stronger squadmate in combat than everyone except maybe James. Her powers effect all enemies. 

 

Yes she can be killed in ME2, so can Tali and Garrus.


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Someone mentioned she had more reason than Garrus.

 

Ah alright, then it makes sense



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Although I do wish ypu could "drop off" squaddies as long as you had two. Because some of my Sheps don't feel close to the dextros, for instance. So I either have to kill them or have Shep say things I don't think are appropriate while his actual friends and loved ones die or are distant from him.

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Brace yourself for incoming Mirandalorians. 

 

Won't. Rise. To. The. Bait. ;p



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She could be on the ship trying to figure out why Cerberus is fighting Shepard and try to figure out where they will attack next.

 

 

Seems to be Traynor's job, that. Don't need Miranda.



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Shepard had no business being there, he should have been rotting on earth for is crimes against the Alliance... :lol:


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Like what? Maybe Tali, but all of the others have a far greater aptitude in combat. 

She apparently doesn't know where any of the Cerberus assets are, and the last thing ME3 needed was more helping out characters and their daddy issues. We had enough of that in ME2. 

It doesn't even make sense for her character to be there. It would make much better sense to run across her as she targets Cerberus operations. 

 

I don't know about combat aptitude. Miranda is a biotic which in terms of the lore make her much more useful than the squadmates who can just shoot a gun (which Miranda can also do very well). She also has tech knowledge.

 

Also, in ME3 Tali and Garrus are both dealing with father issues, Ashley has to deal with family issues, Liara has all sorts of issues, Javik is the last of his species, EDI has romance issues, Cortez is... point is Shepard is still dealing with people's issues, Miranda would fit right in.

 

As for Cerberus assets the game just kind of breezes over quite a bit of that, which makes it more an issue with the main plot than Miranda.



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She could be on the ship trying to figure out why Cerberus is fighting Shepard and try to figure out where they will attack next. She will be safe on the ship where she doesn't have to worry about being caught by Cerberus assassins.

 

She would be better than having Liara on the ship whose usefulness ended after Mars. She's better than having the robot who is only on the ship to promote the stupid green crap of an ending. Garrus has no purpose in ME3. Tali is only there if you choose peace otherwise she has nothing to offer. Javik is a dlc character so you don't have to recruit him.

 

She would be a stronger squadmate in combat than everyone except maybe James. Her powers effect all enemies. 

 

Yes she can be killed in ME2, so can Tali and Garrus.

 

Of course, Mass Effect has been at the mercy of fan popularity on top of some writer favoritism. I imagine that if Shepard was permitted to go solo for any mission you wanted, it would be easier to dismiss whoever you wanted as well, which is why Dragon Age kind of gets away with this sort of thing, with some exceptions (like Alistair).


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#144
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Seems to be Traynor's job, that. Don't need Miranda.

True. But Samantha doesn't know Miranda's contacts who could help.



#145
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I would've liked to have some Miranda-focused missions on the Citadel. She is, after all, hunting down people who may be ex-Cerberus. On top of that, we even learn that she suspects that Henry Lawson may be doing something for the very leader of the biggest pains in the asses second to the reapers. It's kind of frustrating that we can't take part in that, and in the end, their paths ended up converging anyway. If Shepard helped Miranda to find Henry Lawson, Kai Leng could have been killed right there in Sanctuary, unless BioWare pulled a plot-armor event that forced his escape again.



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To my mind, Miranda's main contribution is that she's a former Cerberus officer on an Alliance ship. That's a golden opportunity for "pass the popcorn" banter. It also works against the perception that ME2 didn't matter. Having none of your ME2-exclusive squad return is depressing when ME2 restored your faith in BW after ME1 almost killed it.

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True. But Samantha doesn't know Miranda's contacts who could help.

 

Certainly. But then we are deviating away from what ME3 is and in to a re-write - and if that's the case, all bets are off really.



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Seems to be Traynor's job, that. Don't need Miranda.

And Traynor's job was originally Liara's job. There's no reason it couldn't be divided further. In fact, it would make more sense; Traynor's ability to track, decipher and decode anything and everything is pretty absurd already.


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She could be on the ship trying to figure out why Cerberus is fighting Shepard and try to figure out where they will attack next. She will be safe on the ship where she doesn't have to worry about being caught by Cerberus assassins.

 

She would be better than having Liara on the ship whose usefulness ended after Mars. She's better than having the robot who is only on the ship to promote the stupid green crap of an ending. Garrus has no purpose in ME3. Tali is only there if you choose peace otherwise she has nothing to offer. Javik is a dlc character so you don't have to recruit him.

 

She would be a stronger squadmate in combat than everyone except maybe James. Her powers effect all enemies. 

 

Yes she can be killed in ME2, so can Tali and Garrus.

We know why they're fighting Shepard. They're indoctrinated. Shepard's job is not, at least it shouldn't have been, to fight Cerberus. It was to gather the fleets and get help. 

From a narrative perspective, no, she wouldn't. The Shadow Broker should be magnitudes better at getting information. Liara originally gave all the intel Traynor did, and that's how it should've been. There is nothing Miranda could have pointed out that was worth anything. She didn't tell Shepard anything when meeting on the Citadel, so why would she be able to when trapped on the Normandy?

Narrative>Gameplay. Especially in an RPG like Mass Effect. Of course, this is coming from someone who prefers the ME combat over the other two, sooooo. 

This isn't to bash on her character, or anything. It just doesn't make sense for her to be on the Normandy. She has her own thing to do. 


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We know why they're fighting Shepard. They're indoctrinated. Shepard's job is not, at least it shouldn't have been, to fight Cerberus. It was to gather the fleets and get help. 

From a narrative perspective, no, she wouldn't. The Shadow Broker should be magnitudes better at getting information. Liara originally gave all the intel Traynor did, and that's how it should've been. There is nothing Miranda could have pointed out that was worth anything. She didn't tell Shepard anything when meeting on the Citadel, so why would she be able to when trapped on the Normandy?

Narrative>Gameplay. Especially in an RPG like Mass Effect. Of course, this is coming from someone who prefers the ME combat over the other two, sooooo. 

This isn't to bash on her character, or anything. It just doesn't make sense for her to be on the Normandy. She has her own thing to do. 

And if they let T'soni do what Traynor was doing, Liara would be more of  an idiot than she was in the game. Liara was better suited to be with the Crucible. She had no purpose being on the Normandy and that's how it should've been.


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