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#26
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She wanted to hide from Howe's men, even after I killed every single one of them, for some completely unexplained reason. Then, when she meets some soldier who worshipers her father like a god, instead of shaking up her faith in him she wants to hide her identity to the benefit of... absolutely no one? A confrontation between the people whose side she picked and Cautherin is inevitable the moment Cautherin showed up. There's one chance to end it without bloodshed: convince Cautherin Howe was the villain and that Anora wants to return to Eamon. 

 

But instead of doing any of that, Anora expects you to fight Cautherin to the death, and then.. what, exactly? Run away to Eamon? This is why her plan is mind-numbingly stupid. 

It strikes me as not so much hiding from Howe's men as needing to make it through Denerim without being recognized. As for Cauthrien, as you said, she worships her father like a god. Howe was in Loghain's good graces, no matter how much of a viper everyone knew that he was. Cauthrien would have no reason to doubt Howe. As I recall, it takes quite a bit of persuading by the warden to even get her to step aside at the Landsmeet, and she was alone and outnumbered then. In her element, surrounded by her fellow soldiers, I doubt Andraste herself could persuade Cauthrien.

 

Anyway, rather than rehashing events of DA:O (and I don't think any of us will ever see eye to eye on those), we should focus on speculating on her possible appearance in DA:I. To me, it seems that Anora was one of those characters that you either loved or hated, and to be honest, most players seem to fall into the second category. She will likely only even make an appearance if you crowned her - without Alistair - so in a lot of people's playthoughs, we wouldn't see her anyway. She might not make an actual appearance at all, maybe only making contact through a letter or two, or just a codex entry. Though I personally would love to see more of Anora, as her role as a possible ruler of Ferelden has been largely overshadowed by everyone's love of Alistair, I know that a larger percentage of players disliked her, and I wouldn't begrudge the devs if they took advantage of that.



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Anyway, rather than rehashing events of DA:O (and I don't think any of us will ever see eye to eye on those), we should focus on speculating on her possible appearance in DA:I. To me, it seems that Anora was one of those characters that you either loved or hated, and to be honest, most players seem to fall into the second category. She will likely only even make an appearance if you crowned her - without Alistair - so in a lot of people's playthoughs, we wouldn't see her anyway. She might not make an actual appearance at all, maybe only making contact through a letter or two, or just a codex entry. Though I personally would love to see more of Anora, as her role as a possible ruler of Ferelden has been largely overshadowed by everyone's love of Alistair, I know that a larger percentage of players disliked her, and I wouldn't begrudge the devs if they took advantage of that.

 

I think we will see her. If we have scenes with the ruler of Ferelden, Bioware can't just slot Alistair in and still pretend the save import matters. Thats' why I think that both her and Alistair will have minimal cameos. 

 

I personally don't dislike Anora - I think she's an interesting character - but I do disagree with her characterization as pragmatic or cunning. 



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I think we will see her. If we have scenes with the ruler of Ferelden, Bioware can't just slot Alistair in and still pretend the save import matters. Thats' why I think that both her and Alistair will have minimal cameos. 

 

I personally don't dislike Anora - I think she's an interesting character - but I do disagree with her characterization as pragmatic or cunning. 

True, though in DA2, Alistair appeared in a different context depending on what you chose, as opposed to seeing Alistair or Anora in the Vicount's keep. Not that I'm hoping that DA:I will have the same small amount of re-activity to your decisions in previous titles as DA2 did. :P

 

I do agree that she was perhaps not overly cunning in DA:O. I think I have been spoiled by Anora FanFics. I do though think that she showed a refreshing amount of practicality and sense.

 

Edit: I hope that I did not seem to be trying to point you out specifically in regards to disliking Anora. If so, that was not my intent. I was acknowledging that there is a base of people who do.



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I'm pretty sure the best way to complete 'Rescue the Queen' is by the Warden willingly surrendering so that Anora could escape. The scuffle with Cauthrien is damn near unwinnable and if you do manage to beat her you miss out on the 'Captured!' side quest. I'm not saying the outcome isn't iffy (Cauthrien releasing the Warden's companions), but at least I don't have to see her idiotic betrayal. To be fair though, she does say she doesn't want to draw attention to herself and is in disguise.



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I'm pretty sure the best way to complete 'Rescue the Queen' is by the Warden willingly surrendering so that Anora could escape. The scuffle with Cauthrien is damn near unwinnable and if you do manage to beat her you miss out on the 'Captured!' side quest. I'm not saying the outcome isn't iffy (Cauthrien releasing the Warden's companions), but at least I don't have to see her idiotic betrayal. To be fair though, she does say she doesn't want to draw attention to herself and is in disguise.

 

Idiotic betrayal? Not really. Would it have made more sense for Anora to simply say, "Welp, ya got me!" and allow herself to be imprisoned?


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Idiotic betrayal? Not really. Would it have made more sense for Anora to simply say, "Welp, ya got me!" and allow herself to be imprisoned?

 

No. It would have made sense for her to attempt to convince Cautherin that Howe imprisoned her and that she wanted to leave with the Warden, or alternatively trust the super darkspawn murder to murder Cautherin and her lackeys.



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I agree that Anora should get equal screen time as Alistair in his role as king, though equal screen time as Alistair in total seems unlikely given that he'll also likely appear as a Warden and potentially as a recovering alcoholic. 



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I liked her, even though we didn't get to see as much of her as I wanted. Wonder if she ever fell in love with Cousland Wardens who marry her, a la Marric and Rowan.



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i killed allistar an respected 'may have fell for her charms' anora, in origins, you're ferelden, da2 you're ferelden i just feel like i was born in ferelden when playing the game, i love the poshness and nobility an everything of orlais, i love have the tevinter inperium have slaves an and are powerful mages, i like templars, i like the qunari how they act an look like northen people, strong warriors, mass muscular builds, dwarfs are rouggh, funny, brutish probably best beer an tavern fights in thedas, hate elfs, but i guess out of all the races an different human races, i would be a ferelden :0 

 

Uhm. What?



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I like Anora but Bioware made a fatal mistake with her character. Show us, don't just tell.

 

They say she's smart and cunning, but all we see is her helpless in the game. Her talks with the Warden were so, so. Her attempts at manipulating us were graceful as an elephant in a tea shop. Even Eamon was subtler.

 

They say she's Cailan on her little finger, yet he's planning a surprise divorce.

 

They say she's been Ferelden true ruler all this, yet we see Cailan playing around with his life. Was she ok with that? He risking his life, while she has no heir to secure her position?

And then Loghain takes all her power and she pratically just let him.  We don't see she doing **** to take her place back until the end of the game, when the player character gets involved.

 

Bioware's writting for her was disappointing.



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I like Anora but Bioware made a fatal mistake with her character. Show us, don't just tell.

 

They say she's smart and cunning, but all we see is her helpless in the game. Her talks with the Warden were so, so. Her attempts at manipulating us were graceful as an elephant in a tea shop. Even Eamon was subtler.

 

They say she's Cailan on her little finger, yet he's planning a surprise divorce.

 

They say she's been Ferelden true ruler all this, yet we see Cailan playing around with his life. Was she ok with that? He risking his life, while she has no heir to secure her position?

And then Loghain takes all her power and she pratically just let him.  We don't see she doing **** to take her place back until the end of the game, when the player character gets involved.

 

Bioware's writting for her was disappointing.

Never confirmed. All we know is he was talking to Empress Celene and the overly paranoid Loghain was worried he would dump Anora, but no where is it stated that he actually intended to dump her and get hitched with Celene. It isn't even suggested by anything we find, only Loghain mentions it.

 

Apart from that, I have to agree she was better in codexes and hearsay than in person. That's why she should appear in DAI, to show us how awesome she actually is!!



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If she wasn't awesome before, why would she be awesome now?



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If she wasn't awesome before, why would she be awesome now?

Because she was, we just didn't get the opportunity to see it.



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She had plenty of opportunity to be 'awesome' in DA:O.



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Because she was, we just didn't get the opportunity to see it.

It would've been pretty awesome for her to step up and use that supposed brilliant political mind to make Cauthrien see the truth instead of tattling on the MC, turning tail and running to bawl to Eamon, twin trails of tears and urine streaming behind her



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I think if she is in the game it will be more a role like Alistair did in DA2. In my world he rules Ferelden alone and I know he only locked her away at the end of origins but I really hope he made the right and smart decision to have her quietly executed later.



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I think if she is in the game it will be more a role like Alistair did in DA2. In my world he rules Ferelden alone and I know he only locked her away at the end of origins but I really hope he made the right and smart decision to have her quietly executed later.

 

I don't think executing someone who is still rather popular with the people but has lost her major backing and claim to the throne is that smart. She doesn't pose much threat without her fathers connections but killing her will ****** off the people.

 

Make her an adviser and blame her for the next few things to go wrong to ding her popularity a bit. It's the best use of her talents.



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I don't think executing someone who is still rather popular with the people but has lost her major backing and claim to the throne is that smart. She doesn't pose much threat without her fathers connections but killing her will ****** off the people.
 
Make her an adviser and blame her for the next few things to go wrong to ding her popularity a bit. It's the best use of her talents.


I might have agreed with you IF we've seen even a glimps of that so called talent. I only saw her blundering like her father did. And executing her is exactly what was needed to avoid a civil war. Just as she would execute Alistair to avoid just that.

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I might have agreed with you IF we've seen even a glimps of that so called talent. I only saw her blundering like her father did. And executing her is exactly what was needed to avoid a civil war. Just as she would execute Alistair to avoid just that.

I don't think making her a martyr would work well for Alistair in his fledgling kingship. Even shipping her off would probably work better than the damage killing her would do to his reputation. She might be popular enough to kill a bastard who isn't accepted by the people yet and whose parentage can be thrown into doubt, he's probably not popular enough to survive killing a well liked monarch who was married to his brother.



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I really hated her so I am hoping between DA2 and Inquisition she did something really stupid and gets herself executed.


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I don't think making her a martyr would work well for Alistair in his fledgling kingship. Even shipping her off would probably work better than the damage killing her would do to his reputation. She might be popular enough to kill a bastard who isn't accepted by the people yet and whose parentage can be thrown into doubt, he's probably not popular enough to survive killing a well liked monarch who was married to his brother.


He'll be more than popular when he survives the blight and become the king and the hero of Ferelden and a Theirin blood. While Anora does not have a lot on her name except was Cailan's widow.
Having said that I'm not saying Alistair is a king material cuz he really is not. And does not want it. I'd rather appoint Fergus.

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I don't think making her a martyr would work well for Alistair in his fledgling kingship. Even shipping her off would probably work better than the damage killing her would do to his reputation. She might be popular enough to kill a bastard who isn't accepted by the people yet and whose parentage can be thrown into doubt, he's probably not popular enough to survive killing a well liked monarch who was married to his brother.

 

Until Alistair "discovers" that she conspired with her commoner father to have Cailan murdered so that their line could rule Ferelden alone, and used the Blight as a cover. How horrible, a once-beloved public figure being so power-mad that she would risk consigning all of Ferelden to death by the Blight... 

 

Reputations are easy to tarnish, especially when the person can't argue with you after you do it. 



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I might have agreed with you IF we've seen even a glimps of that so called talent. I only saw her blundering like her father did. 

We got a lot of that via codex and epilogue, it's just her in-game appearance that doesn't show it...

 

While I don't particularly like Anora as a person, I'd say she's a better ruler than Alistair, by far, and I'd like to see her doing something in DA:I that is not either backstabbing or being lame.



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Codex means nothing if the things you have experienced ingame says otherwise. For me anyway. Its the game itself I pay attention to, otherwise I could just go read a novel.

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She isn't Quenn. I have her locked up in the tower playing with the c**kroaches