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[llandwynwyn]

Never confirmed. All we know is he was talking to Empress Celene and the overly paranoid Loghain was worried he would dump Anora, but no where is it stated that he actually intended to dump her and get hitched with Celene. It isn't even suggested by anything we find, only Loghain mentions it.

 

Apart from that, I have to agree she was better in codexes and hearsay than in person. That's why she should appear in DAI, to show us how awesome she actually is!!

 

It was confirmed in Return to Ostagar and Celine thinks about it in DAME.

[Frikipolleces]

Codex means nothing if the things you have experienced ingame says otherwise. For me anyway. Its the game itself I pay attention to, otherwise I could just go read a novel.

Codex it's part of the game as well, that's why it's (almost) always written from the perspective of a character. Which makes it subject to misinterpretation, mind you.

 

I'm not saying to simply ignore her actions in the game, but if we were to make conclusions out of what we see only, every Antivan is an assassin.

 

She isn't Quenn. I have her locked up in the tower playing with the c**kroaches

*Retcon hammer*

Alistair felt in love with her and made her his queen. Yes, even if you romanced him.

[themikefest]

 

*Retcon hammer*

Alistair felt in love with her and made her his queen. Yes, even if you romanced him.

I only romanced him for the trophy and then watch him kill the archdemon in my honor. And to celebrate the victory my Warden went to be with Leliana

[Xetykins]

I think he/she is asuming that everyone who does not like anora is because of alistair. Its not that at all. If she was brilliant then it was for the better then she would be queen in all my pts. Warden Alistair imo is the best ending for wardens who likes him.


Btw, Teagan has probably just a little bit more screen time than anora, but it shows he is a decent sort. Strong and not afraid to speak his mind. If the codex shows otherwise, I'd still respect him for those actions that i've seen alone.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

If Anora appears i hope someone else voices her, her VO in Origins was terrible imo

[Artemis Leonhart]

If Anora appears i hope someone else voices her, her VO in Origins was terrible imo

It's unlikely that the voice actress will change: they hired a different voice actress for Isabela because she shared the previous one with Anora, and they wanted to avoid confusion. They did the same with Cullen and Anders.

[In Exile]

We got a lot of that via codex and epilogue, it's just her in-game appearance that doesn't show it...

 

While I don't particularly like Anora as a person, I'd say she's a better ruler than Alistair, by far, and I'd like to see her doing something in DA:I that is not either backstabbing or being lame.

 

The epilogue doesn't show it. It also just says that she is amazing. 

[Eveangaline]

Until Alistair "discovers" that she conspired with her commoner father to have Cailan murdered so that their line could rule Ferelden alone, and used the Blight as a cover. How horrible, a once-beloved public figure being so power-mad that she would risk consigning all of Ferelden to death by the Blight... 

 

Reputations are easy to tarnish, especially when the person can't argue with you after you do it. 

 

I don't really see even hardened Alistair pulling that off, or allowing others to pull it off for him. Especially considering he at least considers her a capable enough ruler since he says she can rule if he dies. He might honestly want her around as a backup in case the taint takes him before another suitable heir comes along.

[In Exile]

I don't really see even hardened Alistair pulling that off, or allowing others to pull it off for him. Especially considering he at least considers her a capable enough ruler since he says she can rule if he dies. He might honestly want her around as a backup in case the taint takes him before another suitable heir comes along.

 

That Alistair can't pull it off doesn't mean it still isn't in his best interest to execute her immediately and then slander her reputation. Having living pretenders to your throne is a bad idea. My point is just that allowing Anora to live is a bad move for him, and he can certainly manage any fallout. But all of these are out of character moves for him. Alistair doesn't support executing the (ostensibly innocent). 

[Eveangaline]

That Alistair can't pull it off doesn't mean it still isn't in his best interest to execute her immediately and then slander her reputation. Having living pretenders to your throne is a bad idea. My point is just that allowing Anora to live is a bad move for him, and he can certainly manage any fallout. But all of these are out of character moves for him. Alistair doesn't support executing the (ostensibly innocent). 

 

Eh. I don't think early on he could survive the fallout at all. Especially if people just don't fall for his rumors of her, those only work if people buy into them after all. It'd be a very risky move that could backfire spectacularly, which isn't what you want when you're barely popular enough to hold the throne in the first place.

 

Making a martyr of a popular lady didn't work out for tevinter, might not work for Alistair.

[In Exile]

Eh. I don't think early on he could survive the fallout at all. Especially if people just don't fall for his rumors of her, those only work if people buy into them after all. It'd be a very risky move that could backfire spectacularly, which isn't what you want when you're barely popular enough to hold the throne in the first place.

 

Alistair just saved them from an actual apocalypse. He discovered the healing remains of their religious prophet. A substantial portion of the nobility has to support his rule, otherwise he doesn't become King, so the only argument you have here is that Anora is somehow wildly and uncontrollably popular among the common folk of ... Denerim, I guess? That just doesn't work. 

 

Anora has no power base. It's why her father can just waltz in and rule Ferelden by fiat and why Howe can lock her up without qualm. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, technically the Warden did all that. Alistair just followed. 

[Eveangaline]

Alistair just saved them from an actual apocalypse. He discovered the healing remains of their religious prophet. A substantial portion of the nobility has to support his rule, otherwise he doesn't become King, so the only argument you have here is that Anora is somehow wildly and uncontrollably popular among the common folk of ... Denerim, I guess? That just doesn't work. 

 

Anora has no power base. It's why her father can just waltz in and rule Ferelden by fiat and why Howe can lock her up without qualm. 

 

She's popular with the common folk of Fereldan in general because she's ruled them well for years and her family is well liked for being involved in saving them from orlais.

Also the religious remains thing is optional on if you kill the dragon or not, and the credit mostly goes to the warden and brother genetivi. And either way your warden seems to get all the credit.

 

And if you think she has no power base why kill her at all? Why not use her popularity for yourself by making her an advisor?

[Xetykins]

She's popular with the common folk of Fereldan in general because she's ruled them well for years and her family is well liked for being involved in saving them from orlais.
Also the religious remains thing is optional on if you kill the dragon or not, and the credit mostly goes to the warden and brother genetivi. And either way your warden seems to get all the credit.
 
And if you think she has no power base why kill her at all? Why not use her popularity for yourself by making her an advisor?

She's too power hungry to be near the throne. Best kill her or keep her as far away from the throne as possible. Like a cel in deep roads in anderfels.

Dont forget that even if she has no power base, some sht-stirriers would still use her just to try and create instability. Even if they dont really like her. And I think you are overplaying her popularity here. She might have been running the country for years but in the backseat. For all the common people knows it was Cailan running the show.

Anyway I hope anora shows up for you guys that likes her. Then everyone's happy. She is after all the ruler of 2 of my pts

[In Exile]

She's popular with the common folk of Fereldan in general because she's ruled them well for years and her family is well liked for being involved in saving them from orlais.

Also the religious remains thing is optional on if you kill the dragon or not, and the credit mostly goes to the warden and brother genetivi. And either way your warden seems to get all the credit.

 

And if you think she has no power base why kill her at all? Why not use her popularity for yourself by making her an advisor?

 

Anora's power hungry, overrates her worth and her abilities, and betrays you at the literal drop of a dime. That's an especially dangerous kind of person. They're aiming for your position, and they're incapable of being trusted. Keeping someone like that is insane. 

 

Everything else is related to propaganda. The official narrative is whatever the officials say it will be in the end. No one was there for any of those events. 

 

As for Anora being popular, we have absolutely no evidence of that. Cailain was beloved, so we know that his reputation has nothing to do with what he's like. We have no evidence the common folk love, or even care, about Anora. 

[The Night Haunter]

It was confirmed in Return to Ostagar and Celine thinks about it in DAME.

This is the exact codex:

 

(This letter appears to have been crumpled then carefully smoothed out and folded again)

Cailan,

The visit to Ferelden will be postponed indefinitely, due to the darkspawn problem. You understand, of course? The darkspawn have odd timing, don't they? Let us deal with them first. Once that is done we can further discuss a permanent alliance between Orlais and Ferelden.

-- "A note written in an uncharacteristally familiar tone from Empress Celene to King Cailan"

 

This is hardly proof that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora. Throughout history alliances have been made through agreements that didn't rest upon marriages. Some did depend on those marriages, but many did not. The War of the (insert number up to 7 here) Coalition were made through treaties not marriages. (These are the Napoleonic Wars for those unfamiliar with the terminology). A permanent alliance doesn't require Cailan to switch Anora for Celene. And just because Celene muses about she might have married Cailan, she never says anything about concrete plans in motion.

 

A permanent alliance between Celene and Ferelden would allow her children to marry Cailan's children and cement the union of Ferelden and Orlais that way. So again, nothing confirms that Cailan had planned to divorce Anora.

[Eveangaline]

Anora's power hungry, overrates her worth and her abilities, and betrays you at the literal drop of a dime. That's an especially dangerous kind of person. They're aiming for your position, and they're incapable of being trusted. Keeping someone like that is insane. 

 

Everything else is related to propaganda. The official narrative is whatever the officials say it will be in the end. No one was there for any of those events. 

 

As for Anora being popular, we have absolutely no evidence of that. Cailain was beloved, so we know that his reputation has nothing to do with what he's like. We have no evidence the common folk love, or even care, about Anora. 

 

I don't think this would work out as well as you seem to think it would, but whatever.

 

Back to the topic I'm wondering if you married Alistair to Anora what they'll do for custcenes with the royalty of ferelden. If you married her yourself or put her alone on the crown she'll show up but what about a shared throne with Alistair?

[Frikipolleces]

I think he/she is asuming that everyone who does not like anora is because of alistair. Its not that at all. If she was brilliant then it was for the better then she would be queen in all my pts. Warden Alistair imo is the best ending for wardens who likes him.


Btw, Teagan has probably just a little bit more screen time than anora, but it shows he is a decent sort. Strong and not afraid to speak his mind. If the codex shows otherwise, I'd still respect him for those actions that i've seen alone.

If you're taking about me: he, and no, not at all.

I'm assuming everyone who doesn't like her is because she's a ******, and I agree. But as I said, I don't care if she isn't a good person, she seems like a capable ruler to me. If there was another option I probably wouldn't choose her, but I don't like Alistair as a king, hardened or not...

 

Also, when people bring up that situation during the rescue, they tend to forget that her plan actually worked. She fled, the Warden survived and both returned to Eamon. If she had gone ahead and told the truth, it may have worked as well... or Sir Cauthrien may have insisted in bring her to her father.

 

The epilogue doesn't show it. It also just says that she is amazing. 

...I don't really get what you're saying. The epilogue doesn't show she's amazing, just tell you she's amazing? Well, the slides are text, so...   

Spoiler

“In the months that followed their wedding, Alistair and Anora fell into the routine of ruling Ferelden. Anora was a skilled governor, adept at matters of court and more than willing to spend her time judging matters of law from the throne..."

“In the months that followed her coronation, Anora proved herself an adept ruler. Trade agreements with other lands quickly brought new funds into the royal coffers, and with them, the queen saw the capital rebuilt. The army was restored, laws were passed to encourage freeholders to produce sufficient harvests, and plans were conceived for a university.”

 

 

That Alistair can't pull it off doesn't mean it still isn't in his best interest to execute her immediately and then slander her reputation. Having living pretenders to your throne is a bad idea. My point is just that allowing Anora to live is a bad move for him, and he can certainly manage any fallout. But all of these are out of character moves for him. Alistair doesn't support executing the (ostensibly innocent). 

If I'm not mistaken, hardened Alistair didn't kill her because at the point he became king he still didn't know if he would survive the Blight. He was being pragmatic.

[In Exile]

...I don't really get what you're saying. The epilogue doesn't show she's amazing, just tell you she's amazing? Well, the slides are text, so... 

Spoiler

“In the months that followed their wedding, Alistair and Anora fell into the routine of ruling Ferelden. Anora was a skilled governor, adept at matters of court and more than willing to spend her time judging matters of law from the throne..."

“In the months that followed her coronation, Anora proved herself an adept ruler. Trade agreements with other lands quickly brought new funds into the royal coffers, and with them, the queen saw the capital rebuilt. The army was restored, laws were passed to encourage freeholders to produce sufficient harvests, and plans were conceived for a university.”

 

That's not showing. That's telling. Look: 

 

In the months that followed their wedding, Alistair and Anora fell into the routine of ruling Ferelden. Anora was a skilled governor, adept at matters of court and more than willing to spend her time judging matters of law from the throne..."

 

That is literally telling us she is a "skilled governor" and "adept at matters of the court".  Let's follow that up:

 

"In the months that followed her coronation, Anora proved herself an adept ruler."

 

Still telling us that she's "an adept ruler". Next comes the slightly debatable point: 

 

"Trade agreements with other lands quickly brought new funds into the royal coffers, and with them, the queen saw the capital rebuilt. The army was restored, laws were passed to encourage freeholders to produce sufficient harvests, and plans were conceived for a university."

 

Now we can argue about whether this is showing. You'll want to say the fact that the epilogue says she negotiated trade agreements quickly, or that the army was conscribed, or that "laws" (whatever those are) were passed to encourage farmers not to starve the population means she's capable. It's very datable that these are enough to prove someone is "adept". But let's accept that. We're still not shown any of it. We're not given any insight into how Anora negotiated these agreements, or whether they were beneficial to Ferelden, or even what they turned out to be about. We're just told she negotiated them, and it worked out amazingly! The same with the laws, etc. 

 

Writing "And Alistair, inspired by the example of his Warden companion, threw himself into his role as King; through cunning political machinations. he brought the Banns of the Landsmeet in line and succeeded in the greatest centralization of power in Ferelden history" doesn't show that Alistair is cunning. It tells you he's cunning. 

[DesstinyMaker]

Best case scenario: Anora's role will depend entirely on how you manipulated her fate in Origins.  I hope Inquisition has at least a Monarch of Ferelden quest or cameo. However, if that quest/cameo gets made, I think it's fair to have an Anora version. It might even be fair to have an Alistair/Anora version, and we can find out if she ever got to the point where she could keep from snatching her hand away.

 

If Alistair is King, it might be interesting to find out what he finally did with Anora.  Will we find her in exile? (In Orlais? That could be hysterical.) Would she still be locked up in a Tower hoping Alistair dies without an heir, since we know he almost certainly will eventually? Will we learn of her eventual execution and the political consequences of same?  (That might be more of a codex entry.)

 

I'm afraid I don't agree that the developers "favoritism" towards Anora is at all unfair. Alistair was a companion, whom the Warden was required to have in his/her party through at least two complete quests. Anora was an NPC whose primary contribution to the storyline was to play damsel in distress and cry for help before embarking on a couple of self-serving political headgames.  I actually think they didn't write her as well as they could have; if they wanted the audience to develop the same level of bond as they do for Alistair, they should have at least given her a sword and had her help you in the fight for her own rescue. She seems to have been written primarily for the purpose of extending the number of possible endings to the story, and to make the Loghain execution dilemma more interesting. (After all, it's kind of a boring game if Alistair the King is the ONLY possible result.) Every single quest in the game has more than one possible result.  You can save the Circle or annul it.  You can choose Bhelen or Harrowmont. You can side with the elves or the werewolves, or have Zathrian and the Lady sacrifice themselves to save both. In each of these quests, there's a solution that the developers very clearly prefer, but there's also an Option B, and the game's replay value skyrockets immensely  because of all those "less desirable" but oh-so-intriguing Option Bs.

 

You can go with King Alistair, which seems to be Gaider's very clear preference, or you can choose Option B. Anora, and the game did a pretty fair job of suggesting why this might be a good idea. (For it to have been an excellent job, I would have had to watch her be the excellent administrator that we were told she was. She spent most of the actual game wringing her hands and fretting while her dad ruined everything.)

 

Now, if Fiona is a character in Inquisition, which I FERVENTLY hope is the case, the situation is going to be even more complicated.  I firmly believe Fiona was Alistair's real mother, and one of my hopes for Inquisition is that Fiona and Alistair finally become at least aware of each other. However, there's not much of a role Anora could play in a scenario like that, and so if she's queen we might just lose a scene or a quest, unless they develop something that allows her to reference Loghain somehow.

 

It won't matter much to me. Anora does not rule in my Ferelden. I am interested in knowing what finally happened to her, but she's not anything like as important to me as Alistair is because he actually helped me achieve my Warden's goals and Anora did almost nothing useful the entire game.