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[Former_Fiend]

All this being said, I've always personally supported the theory that Fiona's child isn't Alistair and that there's a third Therin brother to keep around just incase Alistair dies, because I've always believed that the Therin bloodline plot from the comics is going to be important later on down the line, so you can't leave it in the hands of a character who has a 50/50 shot of being killed off.

[Stormy]

I haven't seen this brought up yet, but forgive me if it has... and while this is a fantasy medium heir of succession never falls to a spouse's "line".  For example, it would never, in RL succession, fall to, say, Princess Kate's brothers or sister if Prince William didn't have (known) siblings.  It would go to a blood relative, ie: someone from Queen Elizabeth's line or a product of someone married into her line.

 

All that said, though, I'm of the school of the flipped coin landing on the edge rather than one side or the other, and having my femWarden manage to get pregnant.

[Former_Fiend]

The rules do appear different in Ferelden; Eamon and Teagan both had claims by being Queen Rowan's brothers.

 

It's also a point that the Ferelden Monarchy is technically elected by the Landsmeet; they originally wanted to name Bryce Cousland king after Maric died(because if you had the chance to not name Cailen king, wouldn't you leap at it?), but he declined.

 

So Fergus has a viable claim to the throne regardless of whether a Cousland is king/queen or not. If, say, Alistair's king along or Anora's queen alone or they rule together, if no heirs are left, Fergus likely has the strongest claim by right of being the teyrn of Highever, a long established and highly respected noble line.

[In Exile]

The rules do appear different in Ferelden; Eamon and Teagan both had claims by being Queen Rowan's brothers.

 

It's also a point that the Ferelden Monarchy is technically elected by the Landsmeet; they originally wanted to name Bryce Cousland king after Maric died(because if you had the chance to not name Cailen king, wouldn't you leap at it?), but he declined.

 

So Fergus has a viable claim to the throne regardless of whether a Cousland is king/queen or not. If, say, Alistair's king along or Anora's queen alone or they rule together, if no heirs are left, Fergus likely has the strongest claim by right of being the teyrn of Highever, a long established and highly respected noble line.

 

This, of course, makes the inability to just point out why the Cousland Warden shouldn't rule alone even more aggravating. You're more qualified than Alistair, your lineage is arguably on the level since you're a trueborn heir vs. a bastard whose only claim to legitimacy is Eamon's (very valued) word, and you've built more diplomatic ties in a few months that the other monarchs of Ferelden did in their whole lifetime. 

 

Just the fact you're on a first name basis with the King of Orzammar could make a difference, putting aside stuff like how you might well have singlehandedly found the Holy Grail of the Andrastian faith. This is as close to a "chosen by the Maker to lead Thedas" as a narrative can get. 

[Tinxa]

I think Teagan will be king eventually. He's always there and alive in everyones games and he's liked and respected. And I think Bioware needs to settle on one king of Ferelden somewhere down the line.

Fergus doesn't matter much if the warden isn't Cousland but every player meets Teagan so I think he'll be king.

[Todd23]

As I recall the writers, without being asked at one point stated that there were at least two descendants of Maric's. As far as writing goes that suggests that there are at least 3; and I am somewhat inclined to think that might have something to do with his promise to Flemeth in the first book.

[Nethalf]

I bet either Cullen or Anders is one of Alistair's brothers 

[Former_Fiend]

Anders was a rumor for a while, some even speculating he may be Wynne's son by Maric, but they've debunked that. He and his family are from the Anderfels(hence his nickname, "Anders"), which I'm fairly certain, Maric never traveled there.

[Hydromatic]

Fergus Cousland for king!

 

 

The Couslands deserve it.

[Lorien19]

I bet either Cullen or Anders is one of Alistair's brothers 

I've heard this theory before and although I can see why someone would think that in both cases,it seems rather unlikely to me.For Anders because he originates from the Anderfels,as for Cullen I just don't see it.

[Kanedax]

Clearly it would be Bann Teagan. He's too awesome to not succeed Alistair.

[Eveangaline]

I haven't seen this brought up yet, but forgive me if it has... and while this is a fantasy medium heir of succession never falls to a spouse's "line".  For example, it would never, in RL succession, fall to, say, Princess Kate's brothers or sister if Prince William didn't have (known) siblings.  It would go to a blood relative, ie: someone from Queen Elizabeth's line or a product of someone married into her line.

 

All that said, though, I'm of the school of the flipped coin landing on the edge rather than one side or the other, and having my femWarden manage to get pregnant.

Haven't the writers said that two wardens absolutely cannot get pregnant together?
 

[Nethalf]

Oh sweet Celestia. I didn't put  in my post for no reason Hell, I would've mentioned, like, any thedosian blond male as Alistair's brother if I'd remembered anyone but Anders and Cullen.

 

If we're being serious here, then there's just no mention in lore what family is the Theirins next-of-kin.

Couslands keep holding the teyrn title amongst their family but that doesn't mean they have a lot of Theirins blood in their veins.

 

tbh, I think it's the Landsmeet's business to decide who should be the King if all the Theirins would've gone.

[duckley]

I've heard this theory before and although I can see why someone would think that in both cases,it seems rather unlikely to me.For Anders because he originates from the Anderfels,as for Cullen I just don't see it.

I agree with you except if Cullen was a Therin, it could be one explanation as to why he has been in all three games. Being in 3 games puts him in pretty elite company so maybe there is a more to Cullen then it appears.

[Lorien19]

I agree with you except if Cullen was a Therin, it could be one explanation as to why he has been in all three games. Being in 3 games puts him in pretty elite company so maybe there is a more to Cullen then it appears.

True,we know nothing about his life before the circle,so I don't doubt that there is possibly more to him than it appears,still I believe that this "more" has nothing to do with the Therins.
As for the reason he's in 3 games,I'd say that it has to with his involvement in very important events that concern magic(Broken circle,Annulment of the circle in Kirkwall)and also being one of the few people and particularly templars to see first hand the effects of the red lyrium,which also plays in important role in the events of inquisition.

OT,at the moment in my opinion the more likely candidates for the throne after Alistair, are Fergus,possibly Teagan or a currently unknown illegitimate child either (Marric's or Cailan's)...

[Ferretinabun]

The rules do appear different in Ferelden; Eamon and Teagan both had claims by being Queen Rowan's brothers.

 

It's also a point that the Ferelden Monarchy is technically elected by the Landsmeet; they originally wanted to name Bryce Cousland king after Maric died(because if you had the chance to not name Cailen king, wouldn't you leap at it?), but he declined.

 

So Fergus has a viable claim to the throne regardless of whether a Cousland is king/queen or not. If, say, Alistair's king along or Anora's queen alone or they rule together, if no heirs are left, Fergus likely has the strongest claim by right of being the teyrn of Highever, a long established and highly respected noble line.

 

This.

 

As far as I can gather (though I admit I'm no lore geek), Ferelden's rules of succession seem to hark back to Anglo-Saxon systems of near-elected kingship. In these times, being nominated heir by the current king and/or being their child certainly put you at the top of the list of candidates, but that was not the last word on the matter - it still came down to popular support by the nobles.

 

If succession was entirely in the blood, then Anora would have no claim at all to be queen regnant.

 

So in short, I don't forsee Alistair and/or Anora not having children being a big deal. It'd likely come down to an election anyway. In which case any noble with impressive pedigree and political power (and possibly also a claim to Theirin blood, no matter how distant or tenuous) would be in with a shot.

[DarthSliver]

Maybe Fereldan will be in Civil War again before another Heir can be presented. But I do like my Fable like story for the heir, where we are the heir and have to prove our worth to the nobles.  Of course I find it very likely for Fereldan to be in another Civil War and Orlais is forced to bring Order to the country. 

[Former_Fiend]

This.

 

As far as I can gather (though I admit I'm no lore geek), Ferelden's rules of succession seem to hark back to Anglo-Saxon systems of near-elected kingship. In these times, being nominated heir by the current king and/or being their child certainly put you at the top of the list of candidates, but that was not the last word on the matter - it still came down to popular support by the nobles.

 

If succession was entirely in the blood, then Anora would have no claim at all to be queen regnant.

 

So in short, I don't forsee Alistair and/or Anora not having children being a big deal. It'd likely come down to an election anyway. In which case any noble with impressive pedigree and political power (and possibly also a claim to Theirin blood, no matter how distant or tenuous) would be in with a shot.

 

To me the only thing that makes it a big deal is that at the time, I kind of bought into Eamon's line about wanting to keep the Therin bloodline on the throne. I'm not a big fan of the royal blood trope(bunch of nonsense that it is), but a fairly big deal was made out of not losing the dynasty a mere generation after gaining independence. So for Alistair not to have any heirs, or for there not to be any other Therins(be they Maric's bastards or Cailen's) makes that whole business seem like a shaggy dog story. 

 

Not to mention that the comics seem to imply that the Therin bloodline will be important down the road with their dragon controlling properties; even if one doesn't claim the throne, that plotline will go nowhere without another Therin around. 

 

Of course, that first bit there really only matters if you put Alistair on the throne in a bid to preserve that dynasty. For those who put Anora alone or married their male Cousland to her, it doesn't make any real difference.

[phyreblade74]

Alistair's already shown the ability to have a child, albeit using magic.  Who's to say, that some more magic can't help the process along?  I tend to recall something along those lines being said at one time, that using some means might be able to overcome the ordinary inability of two wardens to have children together.

 

I always thought it was funny, mind you.  That my Warden made such a big deal out of finding Morrigan during Witch Hunt.  Seriously ... why?  It was all that Morrigan asked for, was that she be left alone and unbothered in the wake of the Ritual.  So why hunt her down, if not to try and ascertain some chance or possibility of the Ritual's magic being useful, again somehow?

 

And Morrigan did offer a "gift" at the very end.

 

Hey ... I can head canon to my heart's delight, here.

[Ferretinabun]

I haven't read any of the books or comic books. My knowledge of the DA world extends as far as the games. And as far as I can glean from them, Alistair is the last of the Theirin bloodline, and he is a warden, meaning he's very unlikely to have children. So basically, the Theirin bloodline is a lost cause. The Theirin kings either ended with Cailan or they'll end with Alistair. Either way, they're done.

[AltanIV]

I think Fergus as a Cousland would still have a better claim than the potential illegitimate child of Cailan,unless that illegitimate child has the support of a powerful noble.

 

Depends, the bastard could be the son of a Lady. It's not unheard of and it's easier for a woman to pretend the child to be her husband's child. But the husband has to die before the father then.

 

Still I would think the Cousland line is the easier one for the throne. It is an old Dynasty and they supposedly also have dragon blood as the Theirin had. 

[DRTJR]

Well, Cailan had mistresses but no bastards. So I'd bet he was the one shooting blanks. In short I hope to see the Heir in DA:I.

[Lorien19]

This also kind of makes me wonder,are the Trevelyans actually Fereldan and if so whether they belong to the nobility or common folk.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, Cailan had mistresses but no bastards. So I'd bet he was the one shooting blanks. In short I hope to see the Heir in DA:I.

 

We don't know that for a fact; we weren't made aware of any bastards, but neither was the possibility specifically denied.

 

 

This also kind of makes me wonder,are the Trevelyans actually Fereldan and if so whether they belong to the nobility or common folk.

 

I remember when the names were leaked that someone commented that Trevelyan has roots in english(specifically welsh, I believe, but I could be misremembering), pointing to a Ferelden ancestry. It's also a point that out of the two voice sets we're going to get, one's british; that could work equally well for the Free Marches, I suppose, but it does look like those playing a human inquisitor will be playing a dog lord again.