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[kalasaurus]

Well IRL, when people get shot down, even in a polite manner (though it often isn't polite at all  ) it tends to hurt their feelings. If they say otherwise (like Isabella in DA2 iirc) they're lying. Not everyone shows their displeasure, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. It can make people feel insecure, About their looks, their personality, and it really can knock a persons confidence. Projecting that onto the person who turned them down is a regular defence mechanism.

 

I don't think it's a bad thing that Alistair gets a little bit peeved when you turn him down. I also wasn't phased (and was surprised at so many people complaining about) when you get rivalry points for shooting down Anders advances in DA2, for the same reasons.

 

The Warden isn't rejecting Alistair, though.  She's just telling him that she isn't ready for sex yet and wants to wait.

 

If you watch the scene, it's Alistair giving a big speech about how he's finally ready to have sex because they could die at any moment.  He's pretty much insisting on having sex with her because he doesn't want to die a virgin.  That's all fine and well, but yeah, the Warden may not be ready even though he is (and can possibly even tell Alistair that she's a virgin too in the "lamposts in winter" conversation).

 

What irks me is that Alistair makes a big deal out of waiting until he's ready, but doesn't give much consideration to when the Warden's ready.  It's all about him and his needs.  Selfishness is a human trait, true, but it doesn't mean I can't be annoyed by it.

[SnakeCode]

The Warden isn't rejecting Alistair, though.  She's just telling him that she isn't ready for sex yet and wants to wait.

 

If you watch the scene, it's Alistair giving a big speech about how he's finally ready to have sex because they could die at any moment.  He's pretty much insisting on having sex with her because he doesn't want to die a virgin.  That's all fine and well, but yeah, the Warden may not be ready even though he is (and can possibly even tell Alistair that she's a virgin too in the "lamposts in winter" conversation).

It's still a form of rejection. Alistair (especially unhardened) isn't exactly what you would call mature either, he never struck me as the type that would be ok about getting shot down, for anything.

[kalasaurus]

It's still a form of rejection. Alistair (especially unhardened) isn't exactly what you would call mature either, he never struck me as the type that would be ok about getting shot down, for anything.

 

I'm probably projecting my own IRL experience with a pushy boyfriend, but that kind of stuff really gets to me.  I don't see it as a rejection.  Having sex can be a pretty big experience and/or scary for someone who's new to it.  Wanting to wait is perfectly normal and he expects the same too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's still a form of rejection. Alistair (especially unhardened) isn't exactly what you would call mature either, he never struck me as the type that would be ok about getting shot down, for anything.

With him wanting us to wait until he is ready, he should respect that we want to wait until we are ready.

[SnakeCode]

I'm probably projecting my own IRL experience with a pushy boyfriend, but that kind of stuff really gets to me.  I don't see it as a rejection.  Having sex can be a pretty big experience and/or scary for someone who's new to it.  Wanting to wait is perfectly normal and he expects the same too.

That's all well and good, and you have every right to feel that way about it. It's still absolutely a form of rejection though, you're literally rejecting his advances. I agree it's perfectly normal to want to wait. Rejection isn't always a bad thing.

 

With him wanting us to wait until he is ready, he should respect that we want to wait until we are ready.

I agree.

[Icinix]

With him wanting us to wait until he is ready, he should respect that we want to wait until we are ready.

 

..I wonder if a reverse reputation system could be used here. Where the player gives their own disapproval / approval to characters. That could be a laugh! Watching those NPCs come crawling back in a desperate attempt to get their +10 approval!

[kalasaurus]

..I wonder if a reverse reputation system could be used here. Where the player gives their own disapproval / approval to characters. That could be a laugh! Watching those NPCs come crawling back in a desperate attempt to get their +10 approval!

 

They'll spam the PC with sugar cakes and thoughtful gifts

 

That's all well and good, and you have every right to feel that way about it. It's still absolutely a form of rejection though, you're literally rejecting his advances. I agree it's perfectly normal to want to wait. Rejection isn't always a bad thing.

 

Fair enough.  I just see it as being different than the whole Anders situation in terms of rejection.  They're still dating after that.

[ClassicBox]

Unpopular opinion here: I actually liked that Anders got mad and lost approval if you turned him down. My character didn't, but I did. It's a normal reaction that people have and I could easily see Anders doing that. A character didn't react how I (not me again, my character) would have liked, but it adds to the personality. At least to me it did! x3

 

And on the topic, I think romance is a big enhancement to the game. Everybody plays for different reasons and I personally play for the characters. A lot of games have great combat/stories but I have yet to come across one that has characters like Bioware. Building up relationships (friendships/rivalries/romances) is what I play for. And romance just adds that extra 'oomph' which makes Biowar's game really stand out in my opinion. It's probably my favorite aspect and I would love to see where it could go with even more depth.

 

*This is all just opinion. Everybody likes different things. ^-^*

[In Exile]

It's still a form of rejection. Alistair (especially unhardened) isn't exactly what you would call mature either, he never struck me as the type that would be ok about getting shot down, for anything.

 

It's a rejection in the same way that "I don't want to go to the movies right now is a rejection", and holding it against someone as a kind of substantial personal slight is unhealthy. If someone isn't "ok" with being told no, then they're going to have to get help to get over that. 

[Mockingword]

The problem is that it's not feasible for BoWare to create multiple proposition scenes in the event of your Inquisitor not feeling "ready". Maybe they could stick the character in an endless sex-loop, so that they're always ready to bone when you eventually feel like it.

 

"Yo, let's bang!"

 

1) Yes, enthusiastically.

2) Not now, maybe later.

3) No, never. Ew.

 

"How about now?"

 

1) Yes, enthusiastically.

2) Not now, maybe later.

3) No, never. Ew.

 

"How about now?"

 

1) Yes, enthusiastically.

2) Not now, maybe later.

3) No, never. Ew.

 

"How about now?"

[AkiKishi]

It's a rejection in the same way that "I don't want to go to the movies right now is a rejection", and holding it against someone as a kind of substantial personal slight is unhealthy. If someone isn't "ok" with being told no, then they're going to have to get help to get over that. 

 

Depends on the individual. Blow someone off often enough and they start to take offence unless you have a very good reason.

[aTigerslunch]

I wrote a paragraph on one I kept declining for good reason but she needed assistance is why being friends lasted a little while longer than it should of. I erased alot cause was more than needed to say.

[kalasaurus]

It's a rejection in the same way that "I don't want to go to the movies right now is a rejection", and holding it against someone as a kind of substantial personal slight is unhealthy. If someone isn't "ok" with being told no, then they're going to have to get help to get over that. 

 

Exactly.  The Warden doesn't say, "I don't want to have sex with you ever," but instead "I don't want to have sex with you right now".  Alistair gets so worked up about finally having sex right at that moment, that her wants are an afterthought.

 

Note that I'm not criticizing the game and Bioware for doing this, but rather Alistair's character himself.

[Falcon084]

Something that is very interesting would be a romance between the PC and Iron Bull.

He is no longer of the Qun, and he struggles with it. This could be his one weak spot for a significant other.

 

"Qunari are known across Thedas as the brutal horned giants who descended from the north to nearly conquer the continent. These ruthless followers of a harsh philosophy enforce their will through the Ben-Hassrath: their spies and secret police. One brilliant agent did it all, hunting spies, rebels, and deserters until the day he finally broke. To preserve a valuable asset, his superiors sent him to Orlais to observe and report… and The Iron Bull was born.

 

Today, Bull’s Chargers are famous mercenaries, fiercely loyal to the huge Qunari warrior who leads them into battles and taverns with equal enthusiasm. The Iron Bull still sends the Ben-Hassrath reports, but years of living outside Qunari rules have him wondering which identity is really him. Whoever he is, he’s more than happy to join the Inquisition and get paid to kill demons." - dragonage,com characters section."

 

 

From what it says in bold he is at a crossroads in his life and a relationship could be an interesting way to look further into this interesting mindset of such an alien psyche, that you wouldn't get from a non romance playthrough.

[Melcolloien]

Oh totally!
I think I am one of the fiew that's not hot for some qunari or something I'm more like; "cool".

But if we could get something like that? Hell! Yes!

[L. Han]

I think romance should be somewhat related to what you do as a character. Let's hypothetically say Vivienne is a big supporter of the circle of magi and you decide to support it in any way shape or form, then I would understand why Vivienne might start to develop affection for your character. However, if you decide to undermine it all the time for reasons that Vivienne does not agree with, then Vivienne liking you wouldn't make too much sense.

 

Of course, depending on the character's personality. Some people may still fall in love with someone who has opposite opinions or views. So exceptions are to be expected.

 

But on the topic of 'talk, talk, talk, sexy time', I actually enjoyed Tali's romance subplot in ME3 quite a bit. Not because of the dialog or what they do (god, some of the dialog were quite weird and awkward to be perfectly blunt). I somewhat enjoyed it because I found it to be more gratifying, and satisfying as a result of having to meet certain prerequisites (engage romantically in the previous game, making sure she survives the suicide mission, making sure she doesn't die again in the 3rd game, etc etc). I thought this made the whole subplot feel more organic.

[Gtdef]

I think romance should be somewhat related to what you do as a character. Let's hypothetically say Vivienne is a big supporter of the circle of magi and you decide to support it in any way shape or form, then I would understand why Vivienne might start to develop affection for your character. However, if you decide to undermine it all the time for reasons that Vivienne does not agree with, then Vivienne liking you wouldn't make too much sense.

 

Of course, depending on the character's personality. Some people may still fall in love with someone who has opposite opinions or views. So exceptions are to be expected.

 

 

 

Or she can try to seduce you so she can change your view.  **** I need to leave this topic immediately, I'm getting more excited than normal.

[Melcolloien]

We are discussing this exact thing in another  thread; "Relationships and Consequenses"
And I totally agree

[Falcon084]

We are discussing this exact thing in another  thread; "Relationships and Consequenses"
And I totally agree

This thread was first lol

 

I'll wander over

[Melcolloien]

I know But that was directed towards what Legal Han and Gtdef was talking about since that is exactly what that thread is about ;p

And...can we really have to many threads about romance? ;P

 

 

 

Yes....you do that

[Falcon084]

An idea just occurred to me: 

What if two characters love the PC and you chose one over the other, and the other plans your downfall in a betrayal that wouldn't have happened if the PC had not led the LI along. Due to some modifier in the game code she/he will not always betray you and even after several playthroughs you have no idea if it will happen this way, or if she/he really will forgive you. 

Of-course if you didn't lead her/him on, he/she would never have dreamed of this betrayal.

 

This couldn't be true of all characters based no how their personalities are but would create an interesting switch to the game and make flirtations with some LI's potentially dangerous!

[Todd23]

An idea just occurred to me:
What if two characters love the PC and you chose one over the other, and the other plans your downfall in a betrayal that wouldn't have happened if the PC had not led the LI along. Due to some modifier in the game code she/he will not always betray you and even after several playthroughs you have no idea if it will happen this way, or if she/he really will forgive you.
Of-course if you didn't lead her/him on, he/she would never have dreamed of this betrayal.

This couldn't be true of all characters based no how their personalities are but would create an interesting switch to the game and make flirtations with some LI's potentially dangerous!

That actually happened to me during my first Origins playthrough. When I finally decided to go Morrigan over Zevran, his approval rating went down... then I started the landsmeet missions, and I think you can guess the rest.

[JCFR]

Romance Outside of the Party:

In both Mass Effect and Dragon Age we can romance some members of the parties only. It would be nice if we could romance someone who isn't in the group as well.

 

Something more meaningful:

Romance needs to have highs and lows, and more drama! Also it has to be more that get him or her sweet on you by giving them cake lol. The slider should be Hate-Indifferent-Like-Friendship and a separate bar for Love.

 

Marriage, Tragedy, or Death

Sex shouldn't be the highlight of for a romance (jokes aside). 

First point:  It sounds like a nice idea but in general i think it's hard for Writers to get such romances believable. I mean it's easier to believe your character and your LI bond, when they keep close to each other and go through Hardships and adventures.

Just imagine coming everey now and then to your castle  like: "Hi,honey! everything all right? Ok, fine, i got to go now. Love you, bye honey."  These long-distance relationships never really work out.

In ME it was kind of understandable, since Shepard had to come back to the normandy again and again (like a big loading field between Missions). I don't think we will be as ofteninside the castlein inquisition, as we are in the normandy... and still there i prefered group-characters over those lazy-written substitutes.

Compare liara, tali, Ashley, Miranda or garus or any other group-NPc to Kelly chambers or Sarah traynor. Lame.

 

Second point: Once again i agree in general but it's once again something wihich isn't easy to achieve for writers, so i don't expect Inquisition to be very different from DA2 in that sense. Still i would like to see a romance which starts on the wrong foot with many arguments and slowly  love wins over. 

As for gifts, i would kile the idea to turn them into something craftable and not just som dull item i buy at some store or find  on some dead enemy. Something like... maybe a special fur-cloak you can craft and then give your LI and the bonus of those items would not just benefit your LI but your own character as well... like a buff when they're both in  the party.

 

third point: Yeah it's stupid when the whole love-thing seems to be done after this one scene, which seems to get downgraded with every sequel. Like seriously, why was DA2 rated mature? I didn't see any reason for that.

[9TailsFox]

 Like seriously, why was DA2 rated mature? I didn't see any reason for that.

Probably.