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[metatheurgist]

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I thought the flashbacks of young Victor and Caliban (who makes for another wonderful Frankenstein’s Creature) were brilliantly handled and I'm now with Dutchess in thinking that Ethan is probably a werewolf. I half suspect that Ethan will make some attempt to 'turn' Brona in order to save her from consumption, which could be super-interesting.

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Hmm, I'm thinking she dies and ends up on Vic's table. It does seem likely that Ethan is a werewolf though.

[felipejiraya]

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I think Ethan is a werewolf but he doesn't know it or doesn't understand what happen to him.

[Dutchess]

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I think Ethan is a werewolf but he doesn't know it or doesn't understand what happen to him.

 

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Hmm, I just think he's not in control when he turns. He at least has to know of some of the benefits it gives him. He shows no concern whatsoever about getting infected by Brona. It's strange that was never addressed, not even by Brona herself. She did warn Dorian Gray when he wanted to kiss her.

[metatheurgist]

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Hmm, I just think he's not in control when he turns. He at least has to know of some of the benefits it gives him. He shows no concern whatsoever about getting infected by Brona. It's strange that was never addressed, not even by Brona herself. She did warn Dorian Gray when he wanted to kiss her.

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I think he knows what he is, probably part of why he doesn't want to return to the West. He seems ashamed of what happened to the butchered mother and child. He doesn't want his blood transfused. Could possibly explain the TB thing with Victorian medicine. She was spitting up blood with Dorian, not with Ethan. They don't understand germs but they understand blood.

[Dutchess]

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I think he knows what he is, probably part of why he doesn't want to return to the West. He seems ashamed of what happened to the butchered mother and child. He doesn't want his blood transfused. Could possibly explain the TB thing with Victorian medicine. She was spitting up blood with Dorian, not with Ethan. They don't understand germs but they understand blood.

 

LOL, nice page full of spoiler tags.

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She is coughing pretty much constantly, though. I think it's unlikely she never would have coughed blood in the time she's been with Ethan. I'm also not sure how much they knew about diseases in that time. I looked at the wikipedia page on TB (yes, I know, the epitome of medical knowledge) and it mentioned that around 1880 they figured out TB was contagious and the authorities tried to discourage people from spitting in public and that sort of thing. I don't know the year PD takes place, but I figure it's before 1880? Still, a lot of people died from PD, so it seems odd there is no concern at all from Ethan that he would get sick.

 

About Ethan and the Zoo scene.

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I think Ethan has some sense of what he is (he looked full of regret at the scene of the double murder and was well aware he would be able to stare down those wolves). Which reminds me - that zoo scene is the only one I'm really struggling with. If Dracula (who I cant wait to meet) needs Vanessa Ives alive, why would he threaten her life so? Perhaps it was a calculated risk designed to undermine Sir Malcolm, who was holding information from her?

Interesting!

Really enjoying reading everyone's thoughts.

 

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If Dracula had control over those wolves he would probably not let them kill her, just her companions. It's not clear what Dracula wants with her, though. Apparently she is possessed by an ancient Egyptian god and the key to the end of the world. He might want to kill her to prevent that, because even Dracula is unlikely to enjoy the end of the world. Or - this is theory I have seen on IMDB - Dracula works for/is possessed by Amun-Ra (?) and he wants to get Vanessa to combine the two gods who should never be together to bring about that end of the world. I'm not even sure it will literally be the end of the world. Other posts I've read seem to think that, but I thought it was said that the shadow creatures would roam the earth or something like that. I imagine that could be something a vampire (shadow creature) would want.

[coldwetn0se]

LOL, nice page full of spoiler tags.

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She is coughing pretty much constantly, though. I think it's unlikely she never would have coughed blood in the time she's been with Ethan. I'm also not sure how much they knew about diseases in that time. I looked at the wikipedia page on TB (yes, I know, the epitome of medical knowledge) and it mentioned that around 1880 they figured out TB was contagious and the authorities tried to discourage people from spitting in public and that sort of thing. I don't know the year PD takes place, but I figure it's before 1880? Still, a lot of people died from PD, so it seems odd there is no concern at all from Ethan that he would get sick.

Might as well keep en vogue with all here.

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Based on the Wild West show that Ethan was part of in the fist show, and the fact that "saucy Jack" had stopped killing in White Chapel, then I would guess 1889...roughly.

I suspect Ethan knows exactly what he is. I have to wonder a bit about him discussing the paintings in the ruins of the Anasazi city, and the fact that Vanessa (I believe it was her), told him there was no way he was at the Battle of Little Big Horn with Custer, in 1876....she believes him too young. Betting he is older than he appears.

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BTW, I don't think that he is as old as the Anasazi village, mind you. But I think there may be more to the story, of his time spent there. And in general, the West.

[metatheurgist]

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Traditionally Werewolves aren't immortal, and Ethan's been getting mail from his brother so I don't think he's that old. I thought the objective of the Egyptian curse was to "Bring about a World of Darkness" (ie, make it perfect for Vamps), not end the world.

[coldwetn0se]

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Some legends of werewolves, do in fact depict them as immortal. One of the reason the myth of the silver bullet, came to be. It presumably being the only way to kill a werewolf (at least in regards to that mythos). Most of the legends do speak about their incredibly high constitution and ability to recover and heal from wounds that would kill any other human. The question is, would they still age at the same rate as a human? Again, some say no, others yes.

Lots of room to make as they will, the mythology they choose to follow, in this show. It will be interesting to find out what.

[metatheurgist]

Probably don't need the spoiler tags anymore. That's why I wrote traditional. You still need silver bullets if you want to end a werewolf's life prematurely, as opposed to him dying old and grey and in his bed. Dying only from old age doesn't make you immortal.

[coldwetn0se]

Probably don't need the spoiler tags anymore. That's why I wrote traditional. You still need silver bullets if you want to end a werewolf's life prematurely, as opposed to him dying old and grey and in his bed. Dying only from old age doesn't make you immortal.

The silver bullets, full moon transformation, full wolf vs. wolf-like monster, etcetera, are peppered throughout a number of stories; many of them occurring within the last century or so. But we also see tales of werewolves that change at will (many of the folklore tales have werewolves changing at will, since the path to becoming a werewolf was said to be through devil worship. Even what is believed to be the first "tale" of the curse of a the wolf, was from Ovid and his retelling of King Lycaon in Metomorphoses. In that story the king had attempted to trick Zeus into eating human flesh, and thusly was cursed to the form of a wolf.)

We also have more modern tales that depict lycanthropy with longevity and/or immortality. The Underworld series and a character from Dark Shadows, are two examples.

It will be quite interesting to see which direction they intend to go, with this story.

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I found it very interesting in "the creatures" speech to Victor, about all the immortals rising up and ruling. He speaks of other immortals besides himself, or the "bride" he is expecting the doctor to create for him. Gotta wonder if he is prophesying a bit about many of the monsters we will encounter, in the series.

[Chewin]

Oh my.

The trailer intrigued me, and from the comments I've read here people have enjoyed it. Will definitely have a look.

[metatheurgist]

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Not the strongest of episodes for me - my delight at learning that Professor Van Helsing was in the house was tempered by an unwelcome focus on the thoroughly unconvincing Dorian Gray. Of what little else we saw, I was left puzzled by Brona's sudden shift to hateful loon and am now of the opinion she'll end up as Caliban's immortal companion.

I thought the episode where Dorian was introduced was weaker. I think Brona's just an insecure low-class (as in British idea of class) girl and she suddenly thought she didn't fit in with Ethan's upper-class friends. The Bride of Frankenstein traditionally rejects him, should be good drama-fuel for Caliban.

[felipejiraya]

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The fifth episode was AWESOME!

 

Eva Green surely is a great actress and is on her top of the game in this series.

[Alan Rickman]

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Ok, so I'm not familiar with the source material in the case of Dorian Gray. What is his deal? Everyone immediately wants to jump his bones as soon as they meet him because...reasons? I mean, with vampires and Frankenstein's monster running around I'm assuming there's more to him than just being an irresistibly pretty man.

Also, Ethan is obviously a werewolf.

[Dutchess]

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Ok, so I'm not familiar with the source material in the case of Dorian Gray. What is his deal? Everyone immediately wants to jump his bones as soon as they meet him because...reasons? I mean, with vampires and Frankenstein's monster running around I'm assuming there's more to him than just being an irresistibly pretty man.

Also, Ethan is obviously a werewolf.

 

Spoilers on Dorian Gray beyond the show.

 

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He is supposed to be very attractive and charismatic. He's been born with that, so no supernatural element there. However, his life is tied to that painting he has hidden away. It's a portrait of himself and somehow that portrait has made him immortal. Neither the painter nor Dorian himself understands how exactly that has happened, but it has happened nonetheless. Once the painting had been completed, Dorian expressed the wish that he would forever look like he looked in that painting, eternally youthful and beautiful. Now the painting changes over time instead of Dorian himself. It ages and shows the marks Dorian's lifestyle is accompanied with while Dorian remains the way he was. Dorian uses this to his advantage and continues to live a life of debauchery. Like he has said on the show, he wants to see something beautiful every day. He wants to try everything, experience wonderful things. It's not surprising that a good-looking man like Dorian has perfected the art of seduction over the years. So to answer your original question, why everybody wants to "jump his bones" is really because he is just that good at seducing people, but that experience has come over a much longer period than the average Don Juan has time for (it's not clear how old he really is on the show and I don't remember whether it was mentioned in the book).

Anyway, his immortality is also the reason Dorian is incredibly bored all the time now. He has experienced and tried pretty much everything so there aren't really any new thrills left for him to explore. Which is no doubt why he is now so intrigued by Vanessa.

[Dutchess]

On Brona.

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Aye, but Brona struck me as being supremely confident and pretty well adjusted in those early episodes, despite her unfortunate situation and lowly station in life. Indeed, that was a large part of her charm for me.  And why the sudden spite towards Nathan (perhaps seeing Dorian threw her)? In any case, it's clear she's not long for this world. Poor thing!

 

Gahh, I know they're useful, but I just hate spoiler tags. On Brona:

 

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I think seeing Dorian again served as a reality check for Brona. For a while she was living in the moment with Ethan and having fun, but seeing Dorian again reminded her of who and what she is: a dying prostitute who takes off her clothes for money. Remember what Dorian said to her when they had sex: "I've never f*cked a dying creature before". Maybe recalling this also made her doubt Ethan's intentions? She asked him what he wanted, if he wanted to watch her die. Dorian was entertained by her sickness but it's not exactly nice for her. She knows she's going to die and that Ethan knows that too, and I guess the lack of a future together made her give up on it completely when she was confronted with that prospect.

 

 

On Dorian.

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I just don't find Dorian at all convincing. Sure he's super-pretty, but he has way too much of the haughty fop about him to be the consummate romancer. I just don't believe in it or him at all. Hopefully someone puts a boot through that picture soon, so I can get on with the business of enjoying the show unreservedly.

 

Don't think I really need a spoiler tag for Dorian here. I think the thing with the Dorian we have been seeing so far is that he is bored. He is bored and tired of everything. He has experienced everything countless times. Music no longer thrills him as he knows every note by heart. He's had sex with pretty much every type so nothing new there either. He doesn't come across as irresistible because he can hardly be bothered to. A bored character might be boring to watch as well and I think this plays a larger part in many people's dislike for him than some might think. I expect (and hope) that his relationship with Vanessa will wake him, up so to say, and make him care about something/someone again. Hopefully this will make him more interesting and a little more relatable as well. 

[Dutchess]

LOL, poor Dorian. I'm not a very big fan of him yet either, mind you. But I really do want to see his painting. Just because. I knew they weren't going to show it immediately, but I was still annoyed when the camera cut away, haha.