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[EmperorSahlertz]

I realize that not all magic that involves blood is blood magic. It is unfortunate that the specializations in DAII never had quests associated with them at all as the only thing to go on for them is their descriptions, I don't recall warrior Hawke ever drinking dragon blood but he could still be a reaver, which is more from lack of development time than anything I think.  Hopefully they are able to have specialization quests again in DAI where warrior inquisitor can drink dragon blood.  The means of how blood mages and reavers perform their skills / spells is far too similar to be dismissed that they are related if not exactly the same.  The point in regards to this thread was that if the reason for blood magic not being available to the player was that they couldn't adequately show the consequences then the reaver class should have similar problems as well.  Demons don't just possess mages after all.  I don't think a demon who witnessed a reaver in a blood lust feeding off his pain and the death of things around him would consider it any different than a mage doing the same.

To be fair, you didn't see a Warrior Hawke ever drinking Lyrium either, yet he could be a Templar just fine. However, BioWare has said that they want specializations to play a bigger role in the story, nad that evidently means that they feel like whatever they have planned, is adequate representation for Templars, Reavers and all the other specializations. But not for Blood Mages.

 

Yes it is. People do things that they want to do always. Any moment any person can stop whatever it is they are doing, again if they really want to.

If it is avoidable, then it's up to you to make it work and to be good enough to be satisfied with the results. Many they things pose dangers and people overcome them.

Wow..... You really got no clue at all as to how addiction works, do you?

[KainD]

 

Wow..... You really got no clue at all as to how addiction works, do you?

 

I do, I'm a smoker. 

[SerCambria358]

I do, I'm a smoker. 

Being a smoker doesnt mean you know the hardships of drug addiction, i eat food but i dont know nor pretend to know the hardships of obesity and over eating.

[TurretSyndrome]

I don't get the logic behind Bioware saying "We don't want to do it because we feel that Blood Magic needs to be super accountable". It doesn't have to be. It's not like the rest of the game's elements like companion approval rate and relationships, combat, depth of consequences are all done perfectly. Everything has a limit, I'm just saying that instead of completely ignoring it or adding full reactivity from NPCs to it(which apparently is their excuse for not implementing it), they should take a moderate middle ground and work it in. They didn't even try in DA 2, especially when it had this whole "search the city for Blood Mages and kill them" theme, which is why it felt so ridiculous in that game.

 

This game however, carries a similar theme to that of Origins. The Inquisitor is the only one who can close the Rift so others need him and follow him whether they like it or not. I would dare say that the companions(especially ones like Cassandra and Cullen) are even more dependent on him this time because his power is just  unique and cannot be replicated. Not to mention the world is in so much chaos that it's already beyond the point of who's a Blood Mage and who's not.

 

I think they're either just over thinking it when they could just implement the minimum amount of reactivity. Either that or they just don't want to deal with it entirely because it only applies to Mage class and still place it at the same level as the other specializations, all the while PR talking out of it. I believe the latter is probably the case.

[KainD]

Being a smoker doesnt mean you know the hardships of drug addiction, i eat food but i dont know nor pretend to know the hardships of obesity and over eating.

 

Talk was about addiction. There are no hardships, people quit, many people quit, if they really want to. 

[SerCambria358]

Talk was about addiction. There are no hardships, people quit, many people quit, if they really want to. 

Over eating is an addiction. Addiction isnt just as simple as quitting, just because you havent experienced that level of addiction you just wave it away as being simple. Thats textbook ignorance, you cant make assumptions based on your own ignorance of the subject.

[KainD]

Over eating is an addiction. Addiction isnt just as simple as quitting, just because you havent experienced that level of addiction you just wave it away as being simple. Thats textbook ignorance, you cant make assumptions based on your own ignorance of the subject.

No, it is in fact very simple. Everyone has priorities, and whatever is the priority wins. People that can't quit, enjoy their addiction more than they want to quit.

[warden6788]

I hope specializations have a big effect on inquisiton I remember in origins if you used blood magic and wynne saw it you would be attacked after helping the circle I saw it on youtube

[SerCambria358]

No, it is in fact very simple. Everyone has priorities, and whatever is the priority wins. People that can't quit, enjoy their addiction more than they want to quit.

Its obvious that you dont know anything about the topic, so for the sake of not looking any more ignorant, stop pretending to know the difficulty of addiction. You're speaking about it despite having no legitimate experience with it whatsoever. 

 

Its painfully ironic that your signature is "Everybody is right" yet you cant acknowledge a true statement when its repeated to you over and over

[KainD]

Its obvious that you dont know anything about the topic, so for the sake of not looking any more ignorant, stop pretending to know the difficulty of addiction. You're speaking about it despite having no legitimate experience with it whatsoever. 

 

Its painfully ironic that your signature is "Everybody is right" yet you cant acknowledge a true statement when its repeated to you over and over

 

Everybody is right when talking about subjective topics, morals, ideas. There are mathematical truths however, physical truths. 

I have enough experience to know what I am talking about. 

[SerCambria358]

Everybody is right when talking about subjective topics, morals, ideas. There are mathematical truths however, physical truths. 

I have enough experience to know what I am talking about. 

As i said smoking doesnt give you experience in severe addiction. I drink alcohol but i dont pretend to have experience in knowing alcoholism or the difficulty in over coming it.

 

Thats such a narrow minded mindset to say "i smoke therefore i know that addiction is nothing more than getting your priorities sorted, quitting is a simple process"

[KainD]

As i said smoking doesnt give you experience in severe addiction. I drink alcohol but i dont pretend to have experience in knowing alcoholism or the difficulty in over coming it.

 

Thats such a narrow minded mindset to say "i smoke therefore i know that addiction is nothing more than getting your priorities sorted, quitting is a simple process"

 

If your hand is infected and you are going to die unless you cut it off, it's a very simple process to do it. It's very painful and ''hard'' but it's very simple, your hand or your life, you decide. 

[SerCambria358]

If your hand is infected and you are going to die unless you cut it off, it's a very simple process to do it. It's very painful and ''hard'' but it's very simple, your hand or your life, you decide. 

Thats a fallacy, you cant compare an infected hand to a drug that effects the mind. You dont suffer withdrawals from an infected hand, an infection doesnt convince the body that it is actually good for it. Again, a poor argument from someone who clearly doesnt know the hardships of addiction. 

[king jacky]

I believe that blood magic has to be study and methods of performing it is enhanced so I believe blood magic can help everybody(jk)  

[fizzypop]

I really hope they will put it in even if its in a dlc. I have one play through where I am dedicated in making each hero a mage who uses bloog magic. Anti-hero type. I'll be so disappointed if I can't continue that.

[king jacky]

IS THAT FENRIS IN A BATH tube I must get my hands on that pic

[Todd23]

I really hope they will put it in even if its in a dlc. I have one play through where I am dedicated in making each hero a mage who uses bloog magic. Anti-hero type. I'll be so disappointed if I can't continue that.

Each of my Canon playthroughs have blood mages, so I will be breaking a tradition that has to do with my main characters. But I honestly doubt they will put it in a DLC, if they put it in the game at all they will make sure that all the scenes where being a blood mage will bite you in the ass and all the scenes where it would help you will show accordingly. Having a dlc would suggest that they would create the aspect of blood magic, and all the appropriate reactions and the effects of being a blood mage and or using blood magic. Which is just unrealistic especially because they are completely against DLC companions now for similar reasons. However, they still may have put in blood magic since they said that they didn't know which way they were going with it. We may find out during e3, maybe later, we might not even know until the game comes out.

[KainD]

Thats a fallacy, you cant compare an infected hand to a drug that effects the mind. You dont suffer withdrawals from an infected hand, an infection doesnt convince the body that it is actually good for it. Again, a poor argument from someone who clearly doesnt know the hardships of addiction. 

 

No it's not a poor argument, you just don't understand it. It's one or the other, you like your hand don't you? You don't want to let go of it? I'm pretty sure that having a hand is good for you. 

[SerCambria358]

No it's not a poor argument, you just don't understand it. It's one or the other, you like your hand don't you? You don't want to let go of it? I'm pretty sure that having a hand is good for you. 

I understand it quite well, doesnt mean it fits the topic, you completely ignored why it doesnt fit just to say that you're right. Again an infection isnt a drug nor is it influential to the mind.or body, therefore the comparison doesnt fit thus making it a poor argument. The concept isnt even the same.

[fizzypop]

IS THAT FENRIS IN A BATH tube I must get my hands on that pic

Yes, with strawberries. It is yummy. http://i.imgur.com/xjGoDR7.jpg

 

[fizzypop]

Each of my Canon playthroughs have blood mages, so I will be breaking a tradition that has to do with my main characters. But I honestly doubt they will put it in a DLC, if they put it in the game at all they will make sure that all the scenes where being a blood mage will bite you in the ass and all the scenes where it would help you will show accordingly. Having a dlc would suggest that they would create the aspect of blood magic, and all the appropriate reactions and the effects of being a blood mage and or using blood magic. Which is just unrealistic especially because they are completely against DLC companions now for similar reasons. However, they still may have put in blood magic since they said that they didn't know which way they were going with it. We may find out during e3, maybe later, we might not even know until the game comes out.

Yeah, probably. I've got some hope though. I really would hate to mess up that save. We will see!

[KainD]

I understand it quite well, doesnt mean it fits the topic, you completely ignored why it doesnt fit just to say that you're right. Again an infection isnt a drug nor is it influential to the mind.or body, therefore the comparison doesnt fit thus making it a poor argument. The concept isnt even the same.

 

Infection is not the addiction it's the consequence, hand is the addiction in my example. 

[king jacky]

thanks

[SerCambria358]

Infection is not the addiction it's the consequence, hand is the addiction in my example. 

How is the infection a consequence in this scenario? Cutting off the hand would be the consequence of getting the infection, your analogy doesnt even make sense let alone fit the subject matter. Regardless to the bad argument you dont have any legitimate opinion on addiction to conclude that blood magics influence is simple to get over. I've given you plenty of reasons why you have no legitimate say in the matter yet all you've come up with is this bad analogy

[king jacky]

brothers and sisters why must we fight