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[StefanBW]

I "spared" Anders at the beginning of the game and let him go instead of handing him over to the Circle or making him a Grey Warden. Is that the only chance I had of recruiting him? I'm about eight hours in and haven't seen him again. I'm okay with spoilers because I finished the game a long time ago and I think I made Anders a Grey Warden from the start the first time I played...

[GreyLycanTrope]

If you let him go prior to finishing off the Darkspawn in the Keep he shows up again before you save Varel. You will miss your chance if don't invoke the right of conscription later though.

[StefanBW]

Okay, thanks. I'll finish the game without him then. Doesn't change his fate in DAII I guess.

[Tommy6860]

Okay, thanks. I'll finish the game without him then. Doesn't change his fate in DAII I guess.

 

No, it doesn't other than some mentions of his Amarathine experiences with the CW. Interstingly, if he dies in DAA, he is revived for DA2. Arrgghh, I really dislike retconning characters!!

[Melcolloien]

that is one of my biggest problems with DAII (and I have MANY)
First of all that they change Anders faith like that...but the timeline doesn't match!
 

You meet Anders a year after you reached Kirkwall. You leave Kirkwall during the destruction of Lothering which happens about a month into the game. (Dragon age Origins takes about a year)

Awakening takes Place 6 months after you kill the arch demon and the timeline spans over 2-3 months I think.

So with some simple math you can see that Anders hasn't even left Ferelden when you meet him since the Mother has not been defeated - and this is without me even taking the epilouges into consideration.

 

From what I understand, Anders story in DAII was originally meant for Velanna but no one liked her and everyone loved Anders so they changed it...

[Ferretinabun]

that is one of my biggest problems with DAII (and I have MANY)
First of all that they change Anders faith like that...but the timeline doesn't match!
 

You meet Anders a year after you reached Kirkwall. You leave Kirkwall during the destruction of Lothering which happens about a month into the game. (Dragon age Origins takes about a year)

Awakening takes Place 6 months after you kill the arch demon and the timeline spans over 2-3 months I think.

So with some simple math you can see that Anders hasn't even left Ferelden when you meet him since the Mother has not been defeated - and this is without me even taking the epilouges into consideration.

 

From what I understand, Anders story in DAII was originally meant for Velanna but no one liked her and everyone loved Anders so they changed it...

 

I disliked it too. But I decided that with a bit of a fudge, it was possible to get the timelines close enough that they kinda work (if you don't think about it too closely). This is the best I can come up with:

 

DA2 starts with the destruction of Lothering. But Lothering isn't destroyed until the Warden has completed the first treaty quest. So that can knock a bit of time off. DA:O takes roughly a year from Ostagar to the battle of Denerim, so let's slice that down to 9 months from Lothering's destruction to the end of Origins. Add on 6 months, and then another 2 in which Awakenings takes place. His epilogues are a bit of a fumble, but I think the most plot-plausible one is where he leaves the Wardens and is last seen on a pirate ship with a female captain (possibly Isabela - we can headcannon that he came to Kirkwall with her). This one does not mention time specifically, but let's say it was a mere 3 more months (which is tight, I know, but go with it). So, in total that's 20 months from Lothering's destruction to Anders meeting Hawke.

 

From Hawke's POV, we know it took only 2 weeks to get from Gwaren to Kirkwall, but we don't know how long it took to get to Gwaren, or to find a ship there in the first place. Let's say they spent 2 weeks navigating through the Wilds, and then another 2 months at Gwaren trying to find a ship willing to take them (which I don't think is too unrealistic - this is a time before commercial travel; the Hawke family would have had to find a trader or someone going to Kirkwall anyway). Then there was a year spent in service to either Meeran or Athenril. All well and good: 15 months so far. Then, all we know is that Hawke met Anders at some point during that next year. True, it is possible to get him right off the bat, but I like to do the DA2 quests one at a time and imagine there are big periods of time between each one (weeks, or even months), leave Anders for as long as possible, do all the other accessible quests first, and pretend it's been around 5-6 months in to Hawke's first playable year when s/he meets Anders.

 

I know it's a bit of a fudge, and really shouldn't be necessary, but it kinda works. For me, at least.

[Mike3207]

I hate to blow up your timeline-but Wynne does tell the Circle Mage that it's been about a year since he/she left the Circle Tower after the first treaty quest.Though you could just RP that as Wynne having a senior moment.

EDIT-Wynne thinks it's been about a year.I suppose you could fudge that a bit.

Modifié par Mike3207, 28 mai 2014 - 02:51 .

[Ferretinabun]

Oh really? Nuts. I knew she had a conversation mentioning the passing of time being a year, but I couldn't remember under what conditions it fired.

 

Although, if it's been a year since the mage warden left the Circle, that's still fine. Any excess time can be taken up between the warden being recruited and arriving at Ostagar. Who says Duncan took a direct route (in fact, for the mage warden's timeline, it fits better - re Jowan - if they didn't)? Or recovering in Flemeth's hut after Ostagar. That could still have been a month or two. As long as the excess months don't happen after Lothering's destruction, it still fits.

[Lavaeolus]

His epilogues are a bit of a fumble, but I think the most plot-plausible one is where he leaves the Wardens and is last seen on a pirate ship with a female captain (possibly Isabela - we can headcannon that he came to Kirkwall with her).

This epilogue is actually addressed in banter, I believe:

• Anders: I always thought it would be fun to be a pirate.
• Isabela: More fun than being a moody possessed vagrant in the sewers? You don't say...
• Anders: I'm not sure I'd call that "fun."
• Anders: When I was stuck at Vigil's Keep, I dreamed of stealing a ship and sailing to exotic lands... When I left the Wardens, I tried to plant a rumor that that's where I went. Even mentioned your name a few times...

The epilogues have basically been said to be rumours now, so they should be taken with a grain of salt... or, sometimes, possibly just thrown out altogether. Kind of annoying, but arg.

[congokong]

Characters who die tend to be "revived by the Maker" it seems like Leliana and Anders. I'm even wondering about Shale since I killed her and yet the bartender at the Hanged Man keeps going on about the pigeon population declining nearly 7 years after the DA:O events. It's not like with Mass Effect where dead characters stayed dead and were instead replaced with carbon copies as it should be.

 

Like Melcolloein, I too realized that Anders' timeline makes no sense. Even if Anders showed up in Kirkwall around the time of year 2 (which I don't think he did) that would mean he left the wardens almost immediately after joining at best. Remember, Awakening takes place 6 months after DA:O. Not to mention the issues of Anders not surviving Awakening, possibly not being recruited into the Wardens in the first place, being a blood mage in Awakening, or that the Awakening epilogue mentioned Anders left the wardens but a few months later returned and never left again. Uh huh...

[sylvanaerie]

Personally I think it was a mistake to go with Anders as the plot point in DA2 to begin with.  He could have undergone many different fates (including never joining the wardens in the first place).  If the warden commander (PC) hadn't conscripted him, who in Ferelden would?  It's not like they just offer the joining anywhere, since it's supposed to be this big 'warden secret' and the only wardens in Ferelden were the PC and his companions.  That was one of the key plot points of DAA (rebuilding the Order).  And if he wasn't conscripted, how would he have met Justice?

 

I would have preferred some new mage character who came in, all not crazy like 99.9% of the rest of the whackadoo mages in Kirkwall, who was a healer, and over the course of knowing him/her, we discover they merged with a fade spirit (heck, could have even been Justice for that matter, since he was a fade spirit and 'death' didn't have the whole cessation meaning with him).  At first they seem helpful, friendly, maybe even in a romance with Hawke, but over the course of the story go completely batsh*t eating insane like Anders did.

 

I felt Anders' inclusion in DA2 was more for cheap shock value (like the original Joining scene where it's all some big secret, but once it's done, everyone and his Dog seems to know about the consequences of the Joining).

[Melcolloien]

Yeah me too.
If they really wanted to have Anders show up again they should have kept him for the third game...you can be a bit more forgiving when it's been that many years.
But still, they should just have left him alone.
They made a great character and he should have stayed that way: "Oh I wish I could have romanced Anders in Awakening!" (quote made by me...now seeing him in Awakening just makes me sad..)

 

Now...I kind of hate him in Dragon Age II. For so many reasons..

"You shouldn't be hear!"
"Stop being so whiny!"

"Goood just shut...up!"
"And there you blew up the Chantry and I have to kill you...again!"