I don't know what you are smoking, but it is likely bad for health and affects the thinking process.
I think Lancer is better then Harrier, but not as cheese. This make sense?
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#27
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 10:44
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I actually do better with the Lancer, particularly if I'm applying ammo powers. Removing the need to head toward an ammo box puts me more into the game. Throw it on a kit with Adrenaline Rush or MM and it rolls pretty well.
#28
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 10:44
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Title too long, did not read. So what's the thread about?
Internet version of male reproductive organ.
#29
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 10:45
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What, what, what?!
NOOOOO!!!!
Kidding you. i can't compare since I have never unlocked the Lancer.
PS Good game earlier this evening.
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#30
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 10:51
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I like it better because of nostalgia, but yeah, just vaguely saying that it's better is pretty silly.
#31
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 10:56
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I personally like them both.
#32
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:22
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It sucks compared to the Harrier, but more importantly.. it is dominated in its niche in every department by the Collector SMG. The Lancer didn't even need introduced bc the CSMG already did the same job and did it better.
This. Lancer doesn't suck per se, but there's no reason whatsoever to take it over either the harrier or the CSMG.
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#33
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:28
Homey C-Dawg
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This. Lancer doesn't suck per se, but there's no reason whatsoever to take it over either the harrier or the CSMG.
I can think of a number of situational reasons to take it over the harrier, but I agree the CSMG is actually better in every way.
#34
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:31
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I can think of a number of situational reasons to take it over the harrier, but I agree the CSMG is actually better in every way.
Uhm, maybe I wasn't very clear with that statement. I meant that depending on the situation, and mostly the kit, either the harrier or the CSMG will always be a superior choice. Of course, this is just by an efficiency point of view...
#35
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:33
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Harrier is better if you are a scrub, not able to aim, bad on handling recoil, and you don't know ME3 mechanics.
#36
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:35
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I dont mind the Lancer but as someone else pointed out there is the CSMG . Same concept but accurate and light
#37
Posté 25 mai 2014 - 11:40
Homey C-Dawg
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Uhm, maybe I wasn't very clear with that statement. I meant that depending on the situation, and mostly the kit, either the harrier or the CSMG will always be a superior choice. Of course, this is just by an efficiency point of view...
That makes more sense. Mybad.
#38
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 12:00
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I dont use either to often( mainly for challenges) They both have a purpose though and if you get condor you'll be happier with lancer
#39
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 12:52
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Uhm, maybe I wasn't very clear with that statement. I meant that depending on the situation, and mostly the kit, either the harrier or the CSMG will always be a superior choice. Of course, this is just by an efficiency point of view...
I feel like the Lancer gains the most out of those three on a Marksman build.
#40
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 01:41
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I feel like the Lancer gains the most out of those three on a Marksman build.
Heh. Probably the accuracy differences.
I think Lancer is a better primary than CSMG on many characters. Especially if you can get fairly close since the accuracy won't be such a big deal. Lancer will kill mooks faster than the CSMG.
#41
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 01:49
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CSMG can consistently headshot at medium and even long range.. Lancer can barely headshot at close range. The only range where you can get every Lancer round on the head is melee range, unless you take hard cover. Because of this accuracy desparity between the two weapons.. I think the CSMG is a better mook killer too.
#42
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:09
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Its not the most effective, but I share the love of the Lancer. I never did unlock it on my 360 manifest... but I've been using it a lot now on PC.
It's light, sounds awesome, looks great and reminds me of the good ol' ME1 days. Way more fun than the Carrier. Can't wait to level it up more.
#43
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:16
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CSMG can consistently headshot at medium and even long range.. Lancer can barely headshot at close range. The only range where you can get every Lancer round on the head is melee range, unless you take hard cover. Because of this accuracy desparity between the two weapons.. I think the CSMG is a better mook killer too.
You are overstating the difference there, unless it is really impossible to control the Lancer's recoil on a gamepad.
The Lancer actually has less zoomaimerror than the CSMG, but obviously steeper recoil. They both have recoil yaw.
#44
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:23
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Lancer has no real niche if you have weapons maxed at X. Nice sound though. Bit too loud if you're used to audio cues
#45
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:28
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Harrier has more punch per bullet, but you have to hump ammo boxes or use ammo consumables to keep it stocked.
Lancer has more firing time and doesn't need ammo but has less punch per bullet.
Shoot with whatever you want, though I personally prefer Harrier since ammo boxes aren't scarce except hazard dagger.
#46
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:36
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You are overstating the difference there, unless it is really impossible to control the Lancer's recoil on a gamepad.
The Lancer actually has less zoomaimerror than the CSMG, but obviously steeper recoil. They both have recoil yaw.
I headshot pretty well with the Lancer at mid and even long ranges, and I'm not even a great shot. ADS is necessary, but the recoil really isn't very hard to control. I ADS with the Hurricane, and that makes the Lancer feel like you're shooting the Locust. If you're actually using hard cover, the Lancer is pretty pinpoint accurate and has almost no recoil. You're right - against mooks, I'd take the Lancer over the CSMG. CSMG is significantly better against bosses though.
#47
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:41
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I headshot pretty well with the Lancer at mid and even long ranges, and I'm not even a great shot. ADS is necessary, but the recoil really isn't very hard to control. I ADS with the Hurricane, and that makes the Lancer feel like you're shooting the Locust. If you're actually using hard cover, the Lancer is pretty pinpoint accurate and has almost no recoil. You're right - against mooks, I'd take the Lancer over the CSMG. CSMG is significantly better against bosses though.
Yeah I just ran a test to be sure. Vanilla HSol with Lancer and CSMG. Shoot it at a wall and the CSMG actually has more spread, the Lancer obviously has a whole lot more recoil.
Also some food for thought. CSMG is pretty much the standard anti-armor secondary, and isn't bad vs mooks. Here are some DPS numbers compared to Lancer though. Both with ExtMag, ExtBarrel, Rail 3 and AP IV
*Lancer*
Burst Health DPS 1738
Sustained Health DPS 1260
Burst Armor DPS 1688
Sustained Armor DPS 1224
*CSMG*
Burst Health DPS 1407
Sustained Health DPS 870
Burst Armor DPS 1873
Sustained Armor DPS 1158
^From the weapon calculator spreadsheet so hopefully it is modeling those correctly.
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#48
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:45
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I like the Lancer more than the Harrier because I'm nostalgic like that and think that they never should have abandoned the heat mechanic from Mass Effect 1.
But the Harrier is the superior weapon. Only the PPR and Brophoon are better ARs than the Harrier, and even then they're only situationally better(on weapons platforms).
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#49
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 02:53
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I headshot pretty well with the Lancer at mid and even long ranges, and I'm not even a great shot. ADS is necessary, but the recoil really isn't very hard to control. I ADS with the Hurricane, and that makes the Lancer feel like you're shooting the Locust. If you're actually using hard cover, the Lancer is pretty pinpoint accurate and has almost no recoil. You're right - against mooks, I'd take the Lancer over the CSMG. CSMG is significantly better against bosses though.
I call BS. No way you're stringing together headshot after headshot from.. let's say, the top of Jade to the bottom. The reticle is just too big.. the entire enemy torso would be encompassed in the reticle, let alone the head.
The recoil isn't an issue.. it's the spread.
#50
Posté 26 mai 2014 - 03:57
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I call BS. No way you're stringing together headshot after headshot from.. let's say, the top of Jade to the bottom. The reticle is just too big.. the entire enemy torso would be encompassed in the reticle, let alone the head.
The recoil isn't an issue.. it's the spread.
I said headshot "pretty well" and not "headshot after headshot." Even at that range, some shots hit the head, and most of the shots hit at least something. Besides, I don't notice that the CSMG is significantly more accurate at that range. At midrange, the Lancer is plenty accurate enough to consistently get lots of headshots, and you can fire long enough to take out several mooks before you need to stop.
