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[Terminator Force]

It's not worth it until it hits level 7-8.. simply bc the mag is really small.

 

Hmm, it'd would be so lol if this was the case. Mine is at level V while my Lancer & Harrier are at IV, and I think the Lancer is still so much more awesome, fun, effective, etc. With the CSMG, it always feels like I need more bullets to take care of plenty more enemies clearly in my line of sight (on lol SIlver yesterday a few times with top level 2 or 3 consumables even, lol. But finally got the promotion challenge and 6/6/etc. glitch thingy done. Now to enjoy the glitch for just a bit for the first time and back to Gold ) and well within easy or easy enough head shooting. Instead, I have to bail for ammo to regen. With the Lancer they die and it regens while I search for more things to shoot. If not, I usually need to reposition or something like making sure Geth Pyros/Hunters aren't sneaking behind me, lol.

 

But will leave comparing CSMG/Lancer until after my very big spending spree to which I hope to gain more levels in my weapons with ammo recharge? (Need 5 mil more. )

[Terminator Force]

Talon, Wraith and Eagle don't have piercing options which negate 90% armor DR.

 

It's negates even more armour with PHB & Pierce then if it would of had with a 90% alone piercing more (EDIT- well, it would do more damage to armour is what I meant). With AR had a 40 damage increase mod...

[LemurFromTheId]

Here are the first 3 waves of a Reaper Gold solo. It should give you an indication of how it handles on Xbox.

 

 

I'm looking forward to watching your video... in case you decide to make it public.

[megabeast37215]

How could anyone hate Moby?

Ohh it's very easy..

[megabeast37215]

So basicly you hate all the recent visitors of YOUR MOM.  

Go away dex

[Catastrophy]

Yes, cheese is best. In fact cheesecake. I can see some liking harriers but I don't eat them. Neither the dogs nor the birds.

I have no idea what lancers are and I'm pretty sure I've never tasted them.

[Terminator Force]

Yes, but can it kill all of the enemies at once? No. Because only the Revenant can 

 

The Revenant fell very hard from one of my early fave, because it's accuracy is so terri-bad. Getting a lot of bullets to hit the head is very important dps wise, and the Rev bombs so bad in this area (heck, it still bombs otherwise cause too many bullets miss the body still unless they super close). And it really upsets me that the lame Turians can shoot it and walk at normal space, while the true Turians can't. Cause it would of worked so much better on the Turian Sol with Marksman if that were the case.

[dumdum2]

Seriously? Mr. Sinful Force and Mr. MegaBreast, you guys should get married already!

[megabeast37215]

Seriously? Mr. Sinful Force and Mr. MegaBreast, you guys should get married already!

Wash down those hatertots with a big cup of haterade.. hater.

[oceandrive]

Is there a table showing a list of weapons and their attributes (hipfire penalty, armor negation, etc.)?

[dumdum2]

Wash down those hatertots with a big cup of haterade.. hater.

 

[Terminator Force]

@ Capn233; yeah, ok. I understand. But still, thanks a ton for the video you just did. Made me very happy.

 

Those 48 points make a big difference. Yeah.
Esp. when you remember that PPR has ~1300 single and ~700 multi. Carrier has ~ 1100 single and ~900 multi (short reload).
Not to mention that lancer barely oneclips biggies (unless you use TGI/GI), so single clip dps barely matters

Valk is actually a better boss killer than lancer. While it's single clip of ~850 is not outstanding (same as lancer), ridiculously short reload allows to achieve quite decent ~700points of sustained deeps.
Should I mention that it's a great mook killer?

Yeah, Valkyrie>>>>>>Lancer. Come at me spray and pray scrubs.

 

In a very heated debate as this, that is an insanely high number to off by. That and I don't like misleading of any kind. It's a weird OCD behaviour I have. Please don't take offense at what I said. But misleading of any kind really upsets me greatly. Though I didn't mean for what I said to come out are rudely as it did either. Was later hoping BSN humor around here would cover it up,

 

And yeah, I really don't get all the hate that Valkyrie gun gets? I too think it's unbelievable awesome.... well, with a scope or some accuracy boost for the second wild shot, I guess? I'll do more personal research in comparing Lancer/Valkerie. But not gonna mention it here. That and the CSMG VS Lancer will have to get their own thread. Want the focus here to be Harrier/Lancer. (Also want that gun to level up more before really using it a lot more too)

 

 

 

And again, sustained dps shouldn't be the issue with the Lancer here. Especially when the gun shoots up to 102 bullets at 600 fire rate (unlike the CSMG firing up to 72 bullets at 800 fire rate + eating two bullets at a time. So it's really more like 40 total bullets for the CSMG.... any PC hacks guy macro a really fast tapping rate to take advantage of it only eating 1 bullet for the first 3-4 or 5 shoots?). Folks don't look at the Particle Rifles sustained dps. No, they look at the juicy burst dps. Just think every time your weapons recharges as a very quick trip to the ammo box and back.

[Terminator Force]

Here are the first 3 waves of a Reaper Gold solo. It should give you an indication of how it handles on Xbox.

 

 

Says "This video is private." >_<

 

 

capn233!!!! We need you!!!!

[Kurt M.]

Wash down those hatertots with a big cup of haterade.. hater.

I prefer Rage Bull myself : D

[Terminator Force]

I notice something that I only recall always happening with the Harrier for some reason? Every once in awhile after a reload and a quickly zoom the gun to continue shooting, the game freeze for a split second a spazzes out my aim to be quite a bit off. Like the game can't handle all the cheese the Harrier is capable of? It almost feels like the game is hiccupping due to the stability bug or something along that line? Anyone else experience this?

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

The Revenant fell very hard from one of my early fave, because it's accuracy is so terri-bad. Getting a lot of bullets to hit the head is very important dps wise, and the Rev bombs so bad in this area (heck, it still bombs otherwise cause too many bullets miss the body still unless they super close). And it really upsets me that the lame Turians can shoot it and walk at normal space, while the true Turians can't. Cause it would of worked so much better on the Turian Sol with Marksman if that were the case.

People don't love the Revenant because it kills stuff. They love it because it sounds (and shakes) like a proper LMG.

 

It's not actually too bad on a Tsol with barrage upgrade and cryo or incendiary ammo, especially if your enemies are bunched up (marauders on wave 8) or too big to miss...brutes and ravagers for example. But that's OT.

 

The store flatly refuses to give me the Lancer or the CSMG (or the Paladin or Typhoon) so I have no opinion on those.

[NuclearTech76]

On paper, in game, pretty much everywhere the Harrier>>>>>>>>>>>Lancer.

 

You take any enemy in the game and have two players with the same setup and ability, is there any situation where the Lancer is coming out on top in TTK? 

[dumdum2]

On paper, in game, pretty much everywhere the Harrier>>>>>>>>>>>Lancer.

 

You take any enemy in the game and have two players with the same setup and ability, is there any situation where the Lancer is coming out on top in TTK? 

 

Dagger Hazard Platinum?

[NuclearTech76]

Dagger Hazard Platinum?

Maybe just maybe if you have a full team of people that are raiding ammo boxes. Most of the problem is people camp the tower and don't hit the other ammo boxes, FWIW that tower does make the most sense in this game as far as camping spots as it affords LOS on the whole map. I still generally don't have an issue and you have thermals.

[Terminator Force]

On paper, in game, pretty much everywhere the Harrier>>>>>>>>>>>Lancer.

 

You take any enemy in the game and have two players with the same setup and ability, is there any situation where the Lancer is coming out on top in TTK? 

 

Er, yeah. The Lancer lays massive dps in one clip, while the Harrier does some more via multiple clips, but then has to go get ammo while the Lancer does it again. I see this as nothing but a massive advantage over the Harrier.

 

And the Harrier being a gun where making every bullet count means so much, not having pinpoint stability in hard cover is a serious issue. Even with the Eagle just a few games now I've been getting into hard cover an insane amount of times for making every bullet count in the right places more often (the London map yesterday against Geth being the most).

[NuclearTech76]

Er, yeah. The Lancer lays massive dps in one clip, while the Harrier does some more via multiple clips, but then has to go get ammo while the Lancer does it again. I see this as nothing but a massive advantage over the Harrier.

 

And the Harrier being a gun where making every bullet count means so much, not having pinpoint stability in hard cover is a serious issue. Even with the Eagle just a few games now I've been getting into hard cover an insane amount of times for making every bullet count in the right places more often (the London map yesterday against Geth being the most).

Are you ****** kidding me? I go to the ammo box when everything is dead on my way to the next unfortunate spawn that has derped it's way into my proximity. 

 

I'm just laughing at this point because I'm not sure this is real discussion and not a troll topic. The Lancer is so great that we have all these speedruns that point to it's TTK efficency. Wait????

[Kislitsin]

And yeah, I really don't get all the hate that Valkyrie gun gets? I too think it's unbelievable awesome.... well, with a scope or some accuracy boost for the second wild shot, I guess? I'll do more personal research in comparing Lancer/Valkerie. But not gonna mention it here. That and the CSMG VS Lancer will have to get their own thread. Want the focus here to be Harrier/Lancer. (Also want that gun to level up more before really using it a lot more too)

 

 

And again, sustained dps shouldn't be the issue with the Lancer here. Especially when the gun shoots up to 102 bullets at 600 fire rate (unlike the CSMG firing up to 72 bullets at 800 fire rate + eating two bullets at a time. So it's really more like 40 total bullets for the CSMG.... any PC hacks guy macro a really fast tapping rate to take advantage of it only eating 1 bullet for the first 3-4 or 5 shoots?). Folks don't look at the Particle Rifles sustained dps. No, they look at the juicy burst dps. Just think every time your weapons recharges as a very quick trip to the ammo box and back.

 

Valk isn't really awesome, but it's good. It's on par with Sabre - decent, but a bit underbuffed weapon. It can perform well if one doesn't mind carpal tunnel syndrome.

And once again, both Valk and Sabre >>>>>> Lancer.

 

Sustained dps does matter, big time. PPR with powerfull kit (no need for GI TGI) can oneclip almost every boss if applied properly, thus it's one clip DPS matters for TTK. Lancer, on another hand, can't (it desperately needs TGI/GI to oneclip biggie), thus it's sustained dps matters a lot.

 

Lancer is still a decent gun in comparison with rare AR's, it just can't hold a candle to the competitors in his cathegory.

[capn233]

If I throw something together with Lancer on Human Soldier, it won't be until the evening here.

 

Also defense multipliers aren't base weapon damage modifiers.  The distinction is that a base weapon damage modifier would increase (or decrease) ammo damage, whereas the defense multipliers do not.

[dumdum2]

Are you ****** kidding me? I go to the ammo box when everything is dead on my way to the next unfortunate spawn that has derped it's way into my proximity. 

 

I'm just laughing at this point because I'm not sure this is real discussion and not a troll topic. The Lancer is so great that we have all these speedruns that point to it's TTK efficency. Wait????

 

He is not a troll, but something has clearly gone wrong with his head during the last year.

[David Diablo]

My god, this thread is STILL going... 

 

The harrier is better than the lancer/end thread