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[zestalyn]

His romance actually is what turned me off to him. Just one of his romance conversations is as cheesy as the entire Citadel DLC.

Yeah, well there's a reason alot of people love that DLC, too. It's entertaining   Each to their own! 

[TheTurtle]

Yeah, well there's a reason alot of people love that DLC, too. It's entertaining   Each to their own! 

Don't get me wrong I love Citadel, but there is only so much cheese a person can take in one playthrough   

[kavox]

Don't get me wrong I love Citadel, but there is only so much cheese a person can take in one playthrough   

 

I still feel that Citadel DLC would have been better as a post-Reaper War mission with its meta-comedy. BTW, nice profile pic, can't believe what happened to Dean this season, gave me goosebumps.

 

As to why Garrus is so popular though:

He is a rogue cop who looks up to Shepard as a mentor and leader.

He is very astute in his assessments of those around him, with the one exception being Sidonis.

He is self-aware, he knows his own merits and weaknesses, compensating where necessary.

He has a giant stick up his ass and beats guys to death with it.

 

The simplifying of his character in ME3 was a peripheral reaction to the simplification of the entire story.

[Ryriena]

Don't get me wrong I love Citadel, but there is only so much cheese a person can take in one playthrough

Look at who wrote the lines hello Mac Walters the guy who writes the comics.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I think Garrus has a perceptive mind and tends to express it with the right mix of seriousness and wry humor. There's a slightly light-hearted tone when he's recounting all the recent galactic history to Javik, for example, and he has probably my favorite response to any of the squadmates to Jedore in ME2: "Loudspeakers? Someone must like the sound of her own voice." On the more serious side, his "ruthless calculus of war" discussions with Shepard in ME3 work for his character in a way that I imagine they might not for the other squadmates. I don't know, maybe I'm not expressing this very well, but in general I'd say that a fair amount of what Garrus has to say is at a slightly higher level than some of the other crew, whether it's in terms of self-awareness, generally being observant, or simply recognizing how crazy the whole situation is.

 

Plus, since I tend to play Paragons, Garrus makes for an interesting contrast in that he's somewhat Renegade in terms of sometimes leaning towards harsher solutions, but at the same time not at all inclined to corruption -- I don't think he'd take Helena Blake's payoff, for example.

[zestalyn]

 

I think Garrus has a perceptive mind and tends to express it with the right mix of seriousness and wry humor. There's a slightly light-hearted tone when he's recounting all the recent galactic history to Javik, for example, and he has probably my favorite response to any of the squadmates to Jedore in ME2: "Loudspeakers? Someone must like the sound of her own voice." On the more serious side, his "ruthless calculus of war" discussions with Shepard in ME3 work for his character in a way that I imagine they might not for the other squadmates. I don't know, maybe I'm not expressing this very well, but in general I'd say that a fair amount of what Garrus has to say is at a slightly higher level than some of the other crew, whether it's in terms of self-awareness, generally being observant, or simply recognizing how crazy the whole situation is.

 

Plus, since I tend to play Paragons, Garrus makes for an interesting contrast in that he's somewhat Renegade in terms of sometimes leaning towards harsher solutions, but at the same time not at all inclined to corruption -- I don't think he'd take Helena Blake's payoff, for example.

I think you explained it perfectly, it's exactly how I feel about Garrus. Even if I wasn't romantically inclined towards his character I'd find it hard to not put him in my squad. Characters with attitude/humor are important to me, because without them, these kind of games get too serious, grim, and impersonable. But I'm also not looking for characters who are all about jokes and sass because they come off shallow and I can't take them seriously.

What you've described is like what I would call the 3-dimensionality in Garrus's character, which I think he has more of than most of the squadmates. Not saying Garrus is the exemplar of the highest quality of character development, but as far as the Bioware universe goes, he's got better treatment than most. It also helps that the Homeworlds comic did a nice job of touching on his background/chilhood. 
 

I also agree with what you say about playing as a Paragon..I feel like you could easily classify Garrus as a paragade/renegon. 

[Ryriena]

I think you explained it perfectly, it's exactly how I feel about Garrus. Even if I wasn't romantically inclined towards his character I'd find it hard to not put him in my squad. Characters with attitude/humor are important to me, because without them, these kind of games get too serious, grim, and impersonable. But I'm also not looking for characters who are all about jokes and sass because they come off shallow and I can't take them seriously.
What you've described is like what I would call the 3-dimensionality in Garrus's character, which I think he has more of than most of the squadmates. Not saying Garrus is the exemplar of the highest quality of character development, but as far as the Bioware universe goes, he's got better treatment than most. It also helps that the Homeworlds comic did a nice job of touching on his background/chilhood. 
 

I also agree with what you say about playing as a Paragon..I feel like you could easily classify Garrus as a paragade/renegon.

I tend to agree with classify him more on being a paragade than full on bad boy type. He's like Han Solo in away since he's a good guy thats likes to be bad somewhat and hates red tape.

[zestalyn]

In addition to the Homeworlds comic, I just remembered that it was that stuff about his mom and sister in the Shadow Broker files that really made me appreciate Garrus more. He's a family guy, and wants to do good very badly, but just as he said somewhere in ME2, he's "not a very good turian". It makes him even more interesting to know that he's had to struggle with being a disappointment to his family by doing what he thinks is personally best, while trying to look out for them to the best of his ability. 

[Ryriena]

In addition to the Homeworlds comic, I just remembered that it was that stuff about his mom and sister in the Shadow Broker files that really made me appreciate Garrus more. He's a family guy, and wants to do good very badly, but just as he said somewhere in ME2, he's "not a very good turian". It makes him even more interesting to know that he's had to struggle with being a disappointment to his family by doing what he thinks is personally best, while trying to look out for them to the best of his ability.

I also agree that if this was an AU and had the Turians in isolation I would think he would be jailed or worse. He's the type that I believe wouldn't make a very good military man or Turian. I would believe he and General Victas would join up with our squad because they wouldn't like the doctrine that it's become in retrospect.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Garrus right next to liara and tali are the most pathetic characters in ME trilogy. They constantly turn to Shepard for everything and to solve their problems. They don't think for themselves and when they actually do it all goes to hell. I liked garrus throughout the trilogy but he's just too much of an ass kisser. I believe that's why people like garrus so much. I wish there was a way to kill off the brady bunch in ME1. Oh well. Maybe the next ME wont make the same mistake.

 

Oh look. Another "opinion" so ignorant that the only proper response is to wish for a dislike button.

[KaiserShep]

Garrus right next to liara and tali are the most pathetic characters in ME trilogy. They constantly turn to Shepard for everything and to solve their problems. They don't think for themselves and when they actually do it all goes to hell. I liked garrus throughout the trilogy but he's just too much of an ass kisser. I believe that's why people like garrus so much. I wish there was a way to kill off the brady bunch in ME1. Oh well. Maybe the next ME wont make the same mistake.

If you don't help Liara, the only difference it makes is that Feron dies. I dunno if I would define that as things going to hell, unless you're really fond of the drell.

[Zazzerka]

Who's your favourite character then, Cncrjs?

 

Javik?

[Zazzerka]

Never heard of him.

[Excella Gionne]

Garrus right next to liara and tali are the most pathetic characters in ME trilogy. They constantly turn to Shepard for everything and to solve their problems. They don't think for themselves and when they actually do it all goes to hell. I liked garrus throughout the trilogy but he's just too much of an ass kisser. I believe that's why people like garrus so much. I wish there was a way to kill off the brady bunch in ME1. Oh well. Maybe the next ME wont make the same mistake.

Liara: Super independent in all three games. Even more so in ME2 and ME3. If Shepard didn't help Liara, she'd find her own way to reach to the Shadow Broker. And she handled herself quite well on Mars.

 

Garrus: Looks up to Shepard in ME1, and becomes a vigilante on Omega as he tries to do some good. He was sabotaged from within, therefore, leading him to think he's incapable of leading a team after his squad was killed because of Sidonis's betrayal. He fears of gettin' his squad killed. Any person would be fearful of leading another team after they got their own squad killed either directly or indirectly. He is set on angered and blind revenge after learning of Sidonis's whereabouts. It's up to Shepard to persuade Garrus to convince Garrus that what he is doing is immoral or let Garrus have his revenge and be done with it. Garrus is the kind of character in which his actions will either make him great or it'll destroy him. Very much like Samara's opinion on Jacob. In ME3, he returns to Palaven to warn his father about the reapers, and eventually some things are done about it because of his father's connections and being a friend with the Primarch. He joins the Turian Military in preparation for the war. 

 

Tali: Admires and also looks up to Shepard. She is quite the opposite gender of Garrus, but their personalities have common similarities. After Shepard died, she returned to her fleet and fulfilled her Pilgrimage either with or without the Geth data. She doesn't join Shepard immediately, and is later found trapped on Haestrom. Later she is accused of treason, and returns to the Migrant Fleet to stand trial for the accusations put on her. She learns of the truth behind her father's work and begs Shepard to not reveal her father's work to the admiralty board. Regardless, she is either displeased or grateful of the outcome. In ME3, she takes her father's place on the Admiralty Board, and tells Shepard that she took the position, because she still looked up to Shepard and she wanted to do some good out of it. Of course, every person has a figure they look up to and it is completely understandable...

 

They're not bootlicks or asskissers. They are their own separate individuals. 

[zestalyn]

Garrus right next to liara and tali are the most pathetic characters in ME trilogy. They constantly turn to Shepard for everything and to solve their problems. They don't think for themselves and when they actually do it all goes to hell. I liked garrus throughout the trilogy but he's just too much of an ass kisser. I believe that's why people like garrus so much. I wish there was a way to kill off the brady bunch in ME1. Oh well. Maybe the next ME wont make the same mistake.

I don't agree. A simple browse through any of the forums that had anything to do with Garrus's character can easily prove that Garrus's popularity has to do with the effort Bioware put into his characterization rather than this thing called "ass kissing". 

Shepard takes on people's problems by talking to them and offering his/her help. That, or their problem becomes part of the main plot to which Shepard has to get involved with. If having Shepard's assistance is the definition of being pathetic or an ass kisser, then every single squad mate that had a loyalty mission might as well be one which is kind of a harsh assessment for video game characters.

I personally like the loyalty missions because they are there for you to get invested in the characters through their backstories. Because of them I have more sentiment for the ME2 characters than I do for people like James/Kaidan/Ash. 

Liara became the Shadow Broker. Tali  becomes a fleet admiral. Garrus became Archangel and had the qualifications to help lead Palaven's war efforts.

Calling these folks pathetic ass kissers suggests these characters had zero skills or qualifications to become so accomplished and that Shepard's intervention is the only reason they got anywhere.

Even before Shepard came to their lives, Liara was an  accomplished scientist, Tali, a brilliant engineer, and Garrus a proficient sniper/proactive crime-fighter/tactical genius. The Illusive Man's dossiers would agree with this.

Shepard only got involved with any of them because they were worth his/her time in the first place. 

[Excella Gionne]

I don't agree...A simple browse through any of the forums that had anything to do with Garrus's character can easily prove that Garrus's popularity has to do with the effort Bioware put into his characterization rather than this thing called "ass kissing". 

Shepard takes on people's problems by talking to them and offering his/her help. That, or their problem becomes part of the main plot to which Shepard has to get involved with. If having Shepard's assistance is the definition of being pathetic or an ass kisser, then every single squad mate that had a loyalty mission might as well be one which is kind of a harsh assessment for video game characters.

I personally like the loyalty missions because they are there for you to get invested in the characters through their backstories. Because of them I have more sentiment for the ME2 characters than I do for people like James/Kaidan/Ash. 

Liara became the Shadow Broker. Tali  becomes a fleet admiral. Garrus became Archangel and had the qualifications to help lead Palaven's war efforts. Calling these folks pathetic ass kissers suggests these characters had zero skills or qualifications to become so accomplished and that Shepard's intervention is the only reason they got anywhere. Even before Shepard came to their lives, Liara was an  accomplished scientist, Tali, a brilliant engineer, and Garrus a proficient sniper/proactive crime-fighter/tactical genius. The Illusive Man's dossiers would agree with this. Shepard only got involved with any of them because they worth his/her time in the first place. 

OP clearly has yet to do enough runthroughs....

[I Tsunayoshi I]

@Tsunayoshi go to hell bigot.

[Zazzerka]

\If it weren't for us Liara would be stuck in that bubble back in ME1, Garrus be dead in ME2, & Tali would likely be exiled or executed without are help in ME2. Like I said they're ass kissers and ME pathetic characters in the trilogy. They feed off Shepard an rely on him for everything.

 

While I'm certain that you're just having a giggle, you should at least know that quarian law doesn't permit executions.

[KaiserShep]

If Liara was left in that bubble, we'd never get to Ilos. Tali would technically only be exiled. The quarians do not execute their own people.

[Excella Gionne]

While I'm certain that you're just having a giggle, you should at least know that quarian law doesn't permit executions.

LOL! OP had yet to pay attention....

[I Tsunayoshi I]

If it weren't for us Liara would be stuck in that bubble back in ME1, Garrus be dead in ME2, & Tali would likely be exiled or executed without are help in ME2. Like I said they're ass kissers and ME pathetic characters in the trilogy. They feed off Shepard an rely on him for everything.

 

@Tsunayoshi theres a special place for you in hell, bigot.

You should really stop using words you dont understand the meaning of. It only further propagates your ignorance of the subject at hand and/or your ignorance in general.

[zestalyn]

If it weren't for us Liara would be stuck in that bubble back in ME1, Garrus be dead in ME2, & Tali would likely be exiled or executed without are help in ME2. Like I said they're ass kissers and ME pathetic characters in the trilogy. They feed off Shepard an rely on him for everything.

 

@Tsunayoshi theres a special place for you in hell, bigot.

Why are you so focused on those three? Miranda would've gotten killed by Kai Leng. Jacob would've died in ME3. Jack wouldn't have ever made it out of Purgatory. Just saying a person would have died without Shepard's intervention is a really weak reason to call them a pathetic ass kisser and leeching off of Shepard. Your argument isn't really making sense. 

[KaiserShep]

The entire galaxy is a total ass kisser in the end.