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[dutch_gamer]

I really really don't get what's the big deal about someone wanting more Asian looking people in Thedas. It's nice to see people that look like you in the media that aren't caricatures, villians or just there for the sunday afternoon special.

 

This is in general not to anyone specific.

I don't really see anyone, not that I know of at least, making a big deal out of including more Asian looking people in Thedas. The main argument is about implementing them well instead of just throwing them in with little to no regard. With the idea of Thedas' countries being based on European countries in the middle ages/renaissance, I for one, would like to see Asians being added only if there is good and solid lore for it. This doesn't mean I am against them being added but it means I am against them being added haphazardly. Some in here act as if you think like that person must be racist which is such a ridiculous claim to make and really doesn't help anyone on that particular side of the discussion one bit.

 

And no, it doesn't matter if a game is just fiction, even fiction should, in my opinion, should be as in-depth as possible, especially an RPG. If "retcons" can be avoided I believe they should be avoided.

[Ryzaki]

I don't really see anyone, not that I know of at least, making a big deal out of including more Asian looking people in Thedas. The main argument is about implementing them well instead of just throwing them in with little to no regard. With the idea of Thedas' countries being based on European countries in the middle ages/renaissance, I for one, would like to see Asians being added only if there is good and solid lore for it. This doesn't mean I am against them being added but it means I am against them being added haphazardly. Some in here act as if you think like that person must be racist which is such a ridiculous claim to make and really doesn't help anyone on that particular side of the discussion one bit.

 

And no, it doesn't matter if a game is just fiction, even fiction should, in my opinion, should be as in-depth as possible, especially an RPG. If "retcons" can be avoided I believe they should be avoided.

 

Why do we assume Thedas racial makeup has to be like Europe's though? It's a fantasy world. It doesn't have to follow our world religiously. That's clear just by their version of religion along with multiple fantasy races.

 

And no I don't feel it's racist just limiting for no real reason. Does it really add to the story for there to be no asian looking characters? I don't feel so there's no real harm in there being some asian looking characters for some people to relate to. I love there being darker skinned people in Thedas and them not being in the next game because but Europe had X kind of racial makeup so clearly Thedas must be the same is meh to me.

 

[javeart]

Your arguments are purposefully obtuse and often attempts to demonize anyone who disagrees with you.  

 

Even fantasy worlds have rules and structure, otherwise it is chaos where anything can happen and no one cares or can connect to it.  You may believe throwing in asians is no big deal and that they require no culture of their own despite the fact the other races in Thedas have gotten that treatment and that there have been no asian characters yet.  You then take anyone disagreeing to be some kind of racist trying to keep the asians down and create false arguments that in no way meet the opposing side.  On top of this the point is moot because Biowrae representatives have already weighed in and disagree with you.  This thread is full of people looking to be angry at people they have no reason to be angry with and demonizing those who disagree.  Gross.

Not that I'm against introducing new ethnicities along wtih nationalities or new cultures or whatever, but It isn't really true that one "race"= one culture. So far white people can be from Ferelden, Orlais, Free Marches, Anderfell, Tevinter, Antiva... And then you have every one that it's darker, and all of them are from Rivain. In fact, to which ethnicity belongs the Rivaini culture and nationality? Apparently one that includes everyone that just happens to be darker than the average ferelden?

 

 

 

You're a very funny sort, ya know that? All your pomposity about people being racist when the only one demanding exclusive treatment for "white" folkd and advocating asians be shortchanged in their inclusion in the game seems to be you folks.

 

Of what exclusive treatment are we talking about?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Of what exclusive treatment are we talking about?

All the other "white" cultures of thedas get to have this own nations, the I own histories, customs, beliefs, things that makes them who they are. They all have aspects thst make them distinguishable and unique, essentially what makes them who they are and thst plays a huge role in shaping their outlooks, backstroke, and what they value.

But for asians? Forget all that backstories and identity stuff. Just slap a pair of slanty eyes on some blok and call it a day. And anyone who doesn't think that's good enough, is obviously racist and trying g to keep Asian people down.

[javeart]

All the other "white" cultures of thedas get to have this own nations, the I own histories, customs, beliefs, things that makes them who they are. They all have aspects thst make them distinguishable and unique, essentially what makes them who they are and thst plays a huge role in shaping their outlooks, backstroke, and what they value.

But for asians? Forget all that backstories and identity stuff. Just slap a pair of slanty eyes on some blok and call it a day. And anyone who doesn't think that's good enough, is obviously racist and trying g to keep Asian people down.

 

But if there are all kind of ethnicities in every nation, that nations wouldn't be anymore only white, so there would be no such privilege. On the other hand, the inequality it's already there: every nation but Rivain= white, every "race" but white=Rivain. I'm repeating myself way too much, but I really don't think this is a model of diversity particularly worth keeping

 

Also, I haven't seen anyone calling racist anyone else, but obviously that doesn't mean we can't find some of the arguments used very questionable. And I don't think it's just me, most people it's not saying they're against introducing east asian looking characters in the way DG propose (coming from a faraway land and such), we're saying there's no need, and that's different

[Cainhurst Crow]

But if there are all kind of ethnicities in every nation, that natiosn would be anymore only white, so there would be no such privilege. On the other hand, the inequality it's already there: every nation but Rivain= white, every "race" but white=Rivain. I'm repeating myself way too much, but I really don't think this is a model of diversity particularly worth keeping

Also, I haven't seen anyone calling racist anyone else, but obviously that doesn't mean we can't find some of the arguments used very questionable. And I don't think it's just me, most people it's not saying they're against introducing east asian looking characters in the way DG propose (coming from a faraway land and such), we're saying there's no need, and that's different

Well there's no need to create new weapons, armors, characters, or environments either in dragon age games, but it's nice to see them actually put effort behind creating such things. Same thing applies here, there's a good way and a lazy way for introducing new elements of the story, and for something as big as adding in some sort of analogical representation of the people of asia, which I'm not even sure is meant to be east asian only btw, you would hope they do things in a good way.

Also I don't understand anything of what you wrote in the first sentence, it kinda sounds like a bunch of gibberish tbh. If you're wanting every nation to have perfect balances of representation everywhere, then I would suggest you really take a look if such a thing is actually something that's realistic. The sad fact of the matter is that the type of hyper ethnic diversification is a highly american concept that you don't find anywhere else in the world. Want proof? Here's some demographic data on some major countries.

United Kingdom: 87.1 % of people are white english/irish/welsh/scottish, France: 89.7% white french, Germany: 92.3% are white germen, Italy: 92% are pure italian, you find this across the board except for a few exceptional cases, and thats with the advances in travel of our 21st century world, imagine one where it takes months to travel across a single country and the fastest means of transportation is a horse and cart. Making thedas a ethnic-equality utopia where every state has the same mix of population features across the board is wishful thinking, but it isn't really feasible unless you were willing to take a lot more liberties in the setting.

But assuming you don't give a damn about the setting or things having logic, and just want everything to be a feel good mixing pot of 21st century idealistic ethno-diveristy, well good for you. I find it confusing how all these people could just spring up out of nowhere looking so different from each other when their origin is the same place and not having been a product of any sort of migration. We know for humans that there were multiple origin points for "humans" when we were still evolving on the planet, it'd jsut be too much of a stretch to have all humans coming from the same spot, living in the same areas, all being a giant mixing pot of different looks that vary greatly without rhyme or reason, while still having such bitter rivalries with one another's countries.

To me, short of confirming the maker is real and at work here, I don't buy such a thing could come about via natural means.

[tmp7704]

Who said anything about all people turning white?

I just had no idea how else to interpret your reply. "The few remaining members of human race who inhabited warm enough tropical zone turned white due to living for 10-20 thousand years in the caves while the Ice Age lasted" seemed like something one might think. For just a simple migration of white people from the far north to new areas the invention of ice age feels entirely unnecessary -- we have track record of people settling all over the world without such drastic incentives perfectly fine, after all.

[tmp7704]

Why do we assume Thedas racial makeup has to be like Europe's though? It's a fantasy world. It doesn't have to follow our world religiously. That's clear just by their version of religion along with multiple fantasy races.

Precisely. Not only it doesn't have to follow our world religiously, it already doesn't so it'd hardly be a big deal if Thedas nations were composed of people of more races.

Heck, it's not like they couldn't reveal tomorrow that say, Anderfels folks are surprise, surprise, Asian looking instead of white like everyone is presuming, and be like "deal with it". One could even draw enough parallels with our world cultures and what was already established about that country, easily enough.

[Ryzaki]

Jensaarai Bronitarian wrote...

 

But assuming you don't give a damn about the setting or things having logic,

 

We're talking about a game where people spew fire from their hands, dragons can fly despite being too damn fat to actually do so, there's magic, spirits, humans and elves breeding somehow make humans, different species can breed, darkspawn themselves, and so on and you really think different racial people from the same country is the line that somehow ruins the setting and is a question of things having logic? Really? You're really saying this?

 

We already have people from the same country of different races and this is not seen as a big deal (The warden can be dark skinned, Hawke and his/her family can be darkskinned, there are dark skinned Fereldans as well as dark skinned dalish elves.) But somehow an asian looking Fereldan or elf is illogical and people not giving a damn about the setting? If you rather they not be in the game that's fine but don't try to act like it's something that's central to the setting or the game logic.

 

Sorry but the whole "you're trying to ruin the setting and don't care about it!" pushback to requests like this is just....no.

 

Precisely. Not only it doesn't have to follow our world religiously, it already doesn't so it'd hardly be a big deal if Thedas nations were composed of people of more races.

Heck, it's not like they couldn't reveal tomorrow that say, Anderfels folks are surprise, surprise, Asian looking instead of white like everyone is presuming, and be like "deal with it". One could even draw enough parallels with our world cultures and what was already established about that country, easily enough.

 

Exactly. Considering you can make your PC look like whatever it'd make plenty of sense as well.

 

Yep. It's really not something that makes or breaks the setting to me anyway. There's giant grey skinned people running around for pete's sake.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So basically, let it go because god is real and he wants there to be ethno-diversity. You look at empirical evidence telling you this isn't how things work, you have a setting that acknowledges genetics as existing, and your solution is to just brush it off as being a force of nature in the setting, IE magic.

Alright then, if you say so.

BTW using the main character, who the player can control ever aspect of, as evidence for your argument is just dumb because the main character is catered to no matter what, more so then every other character. for example mage warden shouldn't be able to play awakening because its illegal for mages to be in political positions of power outside of the circle of tevinter. And the elf thing doesn't make sense and seemed, to me, to always be a means of just making the elves be more pathetic to try and drum up sympathy for them more and give an excuse for their heavy racism and culturalism.

That's about the only reason I am a little lenient on that little tidbit of nonsense, because it adds something to the story thats interesting, the tension between men and elves and pressures placed on being an elf. Making everyone look like everyone else and having no acknowledgement of this adds nothing but questions and illogical circumstances that require the player to turn off their brains to allow.

Every bit of the game that is added to the lore that requires players give lenience to as just being part of the story degrades the setting and games quality. For example, stupid armor desgins, oversized or over complicated weapons, dumb plotlines, and yes, story setting stuff that doesn't add up. All of these makes the story weaker, and makes the audience less forgiving to the game. So yeah, implementing the inclusion of various ethnic analogs to our own world and having them be in vast and plentiful distribution all across thedas just so players can all feel good when looking at minor npcs, is an exercise for folks who just don't care.

[Steelcan]

Sure, just make it plausible in the lore

[tmp7704]

So basically, let it go because god is real and he wants there to be ethno-diversity. You look at empirical evidence telling you this isn't how things work, you have a setting that acknowledges genetics as existing, and your solution is to just brush it off as being a force of nature in the setting, IE magic.

I'm not sure, either you are using some very confused and loaded analogy, or you're saying that genetics somehow excludes ethno-diversity in human culture(s)? Can you clarify?

Seriously, what argument is there against the ethno-diversity in the game that isn't "it's based on medieval Europe and folks were mainly white there"?

[Steelcan]

I don't think the argument is against having Asian people in, I think its against just throwing in Asian looking characters for no reason or to fill a quota.

All ethnicities present in DA should have a plausible explanation for being there, it adds to the lore and helps build the world as a larger place.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'm not sure, either you are using some very confused and loaded analogy, or you're saying that genetics somehow excludes ethno-diversity in human culture(s)? Can you clarify?

Seriously, what argument is there against the ethno-diversity in the game that isn't "it's based on medieval Europe and folks were mainly white there"?

The fact that in our own 21st century world, ethno-diversity as you put it is a very small and minute part 95% of all countries in the world, and that most have a majority ethnicity within it composing of 85% or higher. That's in our own world, the planet earth, whose nations are divided through boarders and archaic culture constructs that are put forth more by nationalistic pride then anything logical or reasonable.

What the argument ryzaki seemed to put forward is, that everyone in a single small country, can all have developed on their own and without interference, a wide range of skin tones from dark black to pale white, all types of hair color, type, and generally a whole host of physical features all crazily diverse, from the exact same area or origin. And that we should just accept this as being correct because if magic and dragons exist in this setting, then everything and anything should be on the table.

Even if, in the current timeline of thedas, everyone had a whole host of equal diversity within their boarders, and somehow still were all about hating each others countries to the point of killing one another over it, that diversity would have had to have been facilitated by some means of massive, species collective migration of which the scale would be astronomical. Every memeber of every country would have had to have had a population who decided one day to move all accross thedas, settle in their new territories long enough to weather out the initial killing instict of the locals, and become highly incorporated into their new countries to the point of abandoning their previous identities as travellers and fully embrace themselves as being memebers of that new collective country. And even then, their physical features would have needed to remain perfect in tact, for the hundreds of years after these countries formations, by the time the current story takes place. Hundreds of years of breeding only with whatever members of their own migration fellows so that they would retain their distinct features and not end up as a mix of two or more memebrs of their new host countries.

Its too much a strech for me to say, "Well, that happened all on its own, it sure did."

[The Hierophant]

I'm not following your response tmp.

Nah i get you. Though i do wonder if the release of Jade Empire had an impact on the absence of ambiguously asian peoples/cultures.

[Steelcan]

The issue shouldn't be "There are Asians irl so we need Asians in this game" nor should it be "this universe is based on medieval Europe therefore there should be no Asians".

If the devs and writers want to incorporate a new ethnicity into Thedas they need to provide a history behind it, why they are there, how they got there, etc...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"Hello, we are foreigners from a faraway land." 

 

There, solved it in 8 words. 

[Nefla]

Your arguments are purposefully obtuse and often attempts to demonize anyone who disagrees with you.  

 

Even fantasy worlds have rules and structure, otherwise it is chaos where anything can happen and no one cares or can connect to it.  You may believe throwing in asians is no big deal and that they require no culture of their own despite the fact the other races in Thedas have gotten that treatment and that there have been no asian characters yet.  You then take anyone disagreeing to be some kind of racist trying to keep the asians down and create false arguments that in no way meet the opposing side.  On top of this the point is moot because Biowrae representatives have already weighed in and disagree with you.  This thread is full of people looking to be angry at people they have no reason to be angry with and demonizing those who disagree.  Gross.

 

 

You're a very funny sort, ya know that? All your pomposity about people being racist when the only one demanding exclusive treatment for "white" folkd and advocating asians be shortchanged in their inclusion in the game seems to be you folks.

 

 I never called anyone racist. I may have gotten a bit plucky with my latest posts, but frustration tends to make you more honest and less able to sugar coat. All of my more gentle arguments are ignored and glossed over but I will repeat them again for you guys:

 

-Human race is not a factor in Thedas. People don't recognize, refer to, insult, praise, or group together by human race. They do by nationality, but someone belonging to a particular nation. Human races do not have their own cultures in Thedas. Human countries do but each of the countries we've seen contain a range of skintones and eye/hair colors. Racial differentiation and tension exist between Humans, Elves, Qunari, and Dwarves; not between humans and humans.

 

-Non-white races were not able to be properly rendered until now. Before DA:I and Vivienne no one looked distinctly black. Isabella (who we have been told by David Gaider is black) had almost the exact same face as default white Bethany and most of the other female DA2 characters. Duncan was the only other part Rivaini person we've seen and he looks more middle eastern. So if we accept that black people were not able to be accurately modeled until DA:I (or if you insist on arguing, DA2) then why can't the same be applied to Asians? The characters linked in the OP have an Asian vibe to them, and maybe that was the best they could do. DA:I could have accurate models.

 

-Humans did not originate in Thedas, they came from elsewhere and settled Thedas (which lead to their overthrowing the elves) who's to say what races lived in their continent of origin? It could have been as racially mixed as a modern day USA with settlers from many races getting on the ship and settling in Thedas.

 

-It's a fantasy game and does not have to (and already strays very far from) stay exactly the same as medieval Europe.

 

-There are already a ton of human (and other race) cultures to discover, there is not one single culture and I don't feel that singling out Asians as only being from _____ country or as merchants from ____ far off land is necessary or even desirable. This is especially true when other Human nations in Thedas are not racially unified. If Thedas was like Tamriel where each province had a distinct and separate race (ex: Nords being big, burly, fair hair/skin/eyes, Redguards are distinctly and universally black, etc...) It would make sense, but Thedas isn't like that. In TES you can look at a character and tell what they are, in Thedas everyone already blurs together so this doesn't make sense to me.

 

-The number of video games, movies, tv shows, etc...where Asians are not stereotyped is extremely low already. How many times have we seen the "Asian" culture in a fantasy story being modeled after ancient Chinese or Japanese culture? If BW made some new special nation just for Asians I feel like they would make it into a bundle of terrible clichés and stereotypes like the Orlesians have been shown as terrible clichéd stereotypes of the French.

 

-Restricting a race to one country severely restricts how many NPCs and characters of that race will be in the game and what roles they can play.

 

-Thedas is already modeled culturally much more strongly after modern North American society than Medieval society. When you in your modern day life go to the grocery store and see an Asian clerk you're not shocked that he doesn't have an accent or dress in some kooky getup, you think (if you even take note at all which is usually not) "this guy is from North America like me" he was born there, grew up there, and has the same culture as you. He can have any job he wants just like you can. Thedas doesn't bat an eye at homosexuality, women having equal rights and even being warriors, etc...why is this an aspect that has to be forced to conform to that medieval stereotype we've already strayed from? 

 

-The number of games where you can be Asian at all (including jrpgs where the "Asian" characters often look white) is so small, the number of tv shows and movies (that are not about karate, samurai, ninjas, or geisha) that have an Asian protagonist is so tiny that a lot of Asian kids have no characters to identify with at all. I think making people feel like they're important too is worth any slight "that's kind of weird" a white person might feel when seeing an Asian in the game for the first time.

 

-There were "Asian" presets, created by BioWare in DA2.

 

-Most people would not even notice if there were now some Asian looking characters (and most of those who did would likely be positive or indifferent) as long as they sounded and dressed like everyone else.

 

-This is the feedback and suggestions forum and people are suggesting they include Asian looking people.

 

Tell me detractors, how would you implement Asian looking people in Thedas? If the answer is copy and paste the Jade Empire or a similar ancient China approximation and then give them all Orlesian-quality accents and mannerisms then clearly we will never see eye to eye and have nothing further to discuss.

[Steelcan]

Hello, we are foreigners from a faraway land." 
 
There, solved it in 8 words.

. Pretty much.

We have a justification for why there are white people in Thedas, they migrated south from presumably current Tevinter lands, we have an explanation for darker skinned people, the populations of Rivain, Tevinter, and Antiva are darker in skin color.

Reasons aren't hard to provide, just make sure they are there

[tmp7704]

The fact that in our own 21st century world, ethno-diversity as you put it is a very small and minute part 95% of all countries in the world, and that most have a majority ethnicity within it composing of 85% or higher. That's in our own world, the planet earth, whose nations are divided through boarders and archaic culture constructs that are put forth more by nationalistic pride then anything logical or reasonable.

Can you provide a source here? As cursory search gives me results to the contrary -- "fewer than 20 of the then 180 sovereign states could be said to be ethnically and nationally homogeneous, where a homogeneous state was defined as one in which minorities made up less than five per cent of the population." The world factbook is also quite interesting read in this regard.

In addition, this doesn't explain how it's somehow genetics that's responsible for it, vs social and cultural practices which are by no means set in stone.

edit:
 

What the argument ryzaki seemed to put forward is, that everyone in a single small country, can all have developed on their own and without interference, a wide range of skin tones from dark black to pale white, all types of hair color, type, and generally a whole host of physical features all crazily diverse, from the exact same area or origin. And that we should just accept this as being correct because if magic and dragons exist in this setting, then everything and anything should be on the table.

You are presuming here that "the exact same area of origin" was homogenous to begin with, and that diversification happened afterwards. You are also presuming that the area of origin was "the exact same" at all, when 'we think they came from the north thousands of years ago' which is what history of humans in Thedas boils down to doesn't actually have to equal that. It's after all about as vague as it can get.

[The Hierophant]

@Sasha

The historic meeting would need to be time skipped as no one would understand what the eff they're saying to each other. Language barrier.

[In Exile]

The fact that in our own 21st century world, ethno-diversity as you put it is a very small and minute part 95% of all countries in the world, and that most have a majority ethnicity within it composing of 85% or higher. That's in our own world, the planet earth, whose nations are divided through boarders and archaic culture constructs that are put forth more by nationalistic pride then anything logical or reasonable.

 

I don't know where you get this garbage from, but it's certainly not true in a lot of countries. Canada being a great example, and major metropolises like Toronto (where so-called "visible minorities" make up 50% of the population) being particularly clear examples of how this is just not it. America is another country that, soon, will have a so-called visible minority population that actually makes up more than 50% of the country. Both countries are already a hodgepodge of different groups, to the extent that 19th century ideas of race (where Italians or Russians were different ethnicity) have already been discredited. 

 

Immigration and free movement has shattered this racial and ethnic isolation. 

[Ryzaki]

So basically, let it go because god is real and he wants there to be ethno-diversity. You look at empirical evidence telling you this isn't how things work, you have a setting that acknowledges genetics as existing, and your solution is to just brush it off as being a force of nature in the setting, IE magic.

Alright then, if you say so.

BTW using the main character, who the player can control ever aspect of, as evidence for your argument is just dumb because the main character is catered to no matter what, more so then every other character. for example mage warden shouldn't be able to play awakening because its illegal for mages to be in political positions of power outside of the circle of tevinter. And the elf thing doesn't make sense and seemed, to me, to always be a means of just making the elves be more pathetic to try and drum up sympathy for them more and give an excuse for their heavy racism and culturalism.

That's about the only reason I am a little lenient on that little tidbit of nonsense, because it adds something to the story thats interesting, the tension between men and elves and pressures placed on being an elf. Making everyone look like everyone else and having no acknowledgement of this adds nothing but questions and illogical circumstances that require the player to turn off their brains to allow.

Every bit of the game that is added to the lore that requires players give lenience to as just being part of the story degrades the setting and games quality. For example, stupid armor desgins, oversized or over complicated weapons, dumb plotlines, and yes, story setting stuff that doesn't add up. All of these makes the story weaker, and makes the audience less forgiving to the game. So yeah, implementing the inclusion of various ethnic analogs to our own world and having them be in vast and plentiful distribution all across thedas just so players can all feel good when looking at minor npcs, is an exercise for folks who just don't care.

 

Oh man. Where oh where is it ever shown that there's no asian looking people in Thedas? As for genetics. Yeah genetics that have human + elf = human.

 

As for the main character *points at DA2* you clearly see the entire Hawke's family race change based off what you pick (not to mention pretty sure the Devs suggested that would've been the case in DAO if they had thought of it).  So really trying to say it's a dumb arguement is...well.  And yeah the elf thing doesn't make sense. That's my point. Acting like DA's racial relations is some accurate reflection of our own is utterly laughable.

 

And yeah the wealthy amells being able to be of several different skinshades and looks does tell us something about the lore in regards to race.

 

Oh yes somehow seeing a few asian people in Thedas is going to make people hate the game. Yep that's exactly what's gonna happen. /s

 

Really dude?

 

As for not caring? I really don't care that DA doesn't slobber over real life racial distributions. The game doesn't care about RL in plenty of other aspects.

 

What the argument ryzaki seemed to put forward is, that everyone in a single small country, can all have developed on their own and without interference, a wide range of skin tones from dark black to pale white, all types of hair color, type, and generally a whole host of physical features all crazily diverse, from the exact same area or origin. And that we should just accept this as being correct because if magic and dragons exist in this setting, then everything and anything should be on the table.

 

Except these countries are clearly blending and interacting on the regular so no non white people aren't anything strange to any of these countries. The game has Antivans, Rivians, Chasind, Orlesians and so on regularly interacting with Fereldans. So where are you getting that everyone in a single small country stuff from?

 

And the good old strawman. I said that asian looking people in Thedas isn't something implausible therefore I clearly mean everything whatsoever is free game. Yep. That's what I meant.

 

You are presuming here that "the exact same area of origin" was homogenous to begin with, and that diversification happened afterwards. You are also presuming that the area of origin was "the exact same" at all, when 'we think they came from the north thousand of years ago' which is what history of humans in Thedas boils down to doesn't actually have to equal that. It's after all about as vague as it can get.

 

Yep.

[Steelcan]

Guys, I'm sure we are gonna have plenty of reasons to complain about DA:I whether there are more Asians in it or not, this whole debate seems rather silly. Allow the CC to work with asian features, if there are Asian NPCs provide an explanation for their origins like there is with the other races.

[Ryzaki]

Guys, I'm sure we are gonna have plenty of reasons to complain about DA:I whether there are more Asians in it or not, this whole debate seems rather silly. Allow the CC to work with asian features, if there are Asian NPCs provide an explanation for their origins like there is with the other races.

 

I'd be happy if the CC had it so my darker characters didn't look...bleh. Seeing Vivienne I have high hopes.

 

At least SWTOR got that right.