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[9TailsFox]

What does magic and dragons have to do with human evolution?

Maybe.

[Han Shot First]

What does magic and dragons have to do with human evolution? We can travel to the moon in a spaceship, does that mean humans can give birth to chimpanzees?

Just because something fantastical exists in the universe, doesn't negate the existence of common sense, nor decades of proven evolutionary and behavioral science.

 

Exactly.

 

And while Dragon Age has many fantasy elements like dragons and magic, it also borrows heavily from the real world. Gravity for instance, and a sun that enables life to exist on Thedas. Just because there are some fantastical elements doesn't necessarily mean that the setting should shed any resemblance to the real wold. In fact were we draw up a list of elements in the setting that also exist in the real world and elements that only exist within the DA universe, the former would be a much longer list.

[ZombieOberyn]

No, actually. In this scenario, people that want to see Asian representation are left hanging forever, for something that might never come. And if it ever does, then Asian players have to deal with (most likely) being presented as some sort of monolithic, threatening, alien "other" that they can't actually identify with.

 

"Minorities" have waited long enough to see fair and equitable representation in media. They should never have been made to wait in the first place. Multi-ethnic representation is something that all media should have always been doing. Waiting several more years for BioWare to maybe correct their thoughtlessness with a Dragon Age IV is not an acceptable compromise.

Something that all media should have always been doing? What? In case you hadn't noticed the world is made up of many different nations with populations that vary greatly in terms of ethnic makeup, etc. The "media" (it isn't some sort of monolithic global entity you know) only has to worry about their target audience,

 

Game developers should only have to worry about making the game they want to make, not "media representation" and all of this other nonsense which the marketing people will be nagging them about anyway.

 

Thoughtlessness? What thoughtlessness? The fact that cultures in previous games may not have been "asian enough" for critics who are looking to invent some sort of problem? Why do those critics deserve more attention than every other critic out there?

[Han Shot First]

No, actually. In this scenario, people that want to see Asian representation are left hanging forever

 

Or maybe you're just tilting at windmills...

[9TailsFox]

So you know for sure Thedas humans evolved the way Earth humans did?

Yes. It's exactly like our earth just have magic in it. Qunari developing what we call Gunpowder. There is theory's if you go from down to up in Thedas map you going into Ekvator direction. So mostly Thedas is in colder part of the planet, so it's not surprise mostly people are white. I wouldn't be surprised if Fex are Black. I hope it would be new species, but i doubt it. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

No, actually. In this scenario, people that want to see Asian representation are left hanging forever, for something that might never come. And if it ever does, then Asian players have to deal with (most likely) being presented as some sort of monolithic, threatening, alien "other" that they can't actually identify with.
 
"Minorities" have waited long enough to see fair and equitable representation in media. They should never have been made to wait in the first place. Multi-ethnic representation is something that all media should have always been doing. Waiting several more years for BioWare to maybe correct their thoughtlessness with a Dragon Age IV is not an acceptable compromise.

How about you get some of these asian countries to show some multi-ethnic representation first though, before you go proselytizing bioware? Maybe get japan, china, and korea to tone down the racist stereotyping and blatant nationalist pot shooting in their biggest exported and self-consumed media while you're at it?

More to the point however, I want to see the actual number of people who find there not being a asian analog in dragon age a serious concern that would turn them off from the series. Most people here seem to be okay with the thought of asians being in dragon age, like one or two people in the whole thread seem actually against it. But I'm not really seeing anyone who has come forward to say how disenfranchising it is for there to be no asia in dragon age.

I'm just not seeing the proof outside of a bunch of chicken littles, sad as it is.

[Mockingword]

What does magic and dragons have to do with human evolution? We can travel to the moon in a spaceship, does that mean humans can give birth to chimpanzees?

Just because something fantastical exists in the universe, doesn't negate the existence of common sense, nor decades of proven evolutionary and behavioral science.

What the hell does "proven evolutionary and behavioural science" have to do with a completely made-up fantasy world where magic grows out of the ground in mineral form, and people astrally project into another dimension when they dream?

[Ryzaki]

Yes. It's exactly like our earth just have magic in it. Qunari developing what we call Gunpowder. There is theory's if you go from down to up in Thedas map you going into Ekvator direction. So mostly Thedas is in colder part of the planet, so it's not surprise mostly people are white. I wouldn't be surprised if Fex are Black. I hope it would be new species, but i doubt it. 

 

Since when does cold weather make people white? (no it's a serious question I'm curious).

 

Especially since we know the people currently living in Thedas were not native to that land 1000 years ago.

 

Also it's not exactly like our world. We don't go to the Fade when we dream, Jesus wasn't female, there's no elves/dwarves/qunari, the church wasn't run by females, so on. 

[Mockingword]

Exactly.

 

And while Dragon Age has many fantasy elements like dragons and magic, it also borrows heavily from the real world. Gravity for instance, and a sun that enables life to exist on Thedas. Just because there are some fantastical elements doesn't necessarily mean that the setting should shed any resemblance to the real wold. In fact were we draw up a list of elements in the setting that also exist in the real world and elements that only exist within the DA universe, the former would be a much longer list.

Prove that gravity exists in Thedas.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So you know for sure Thedas humans evolved the way Earth humans did?

I am willing to, right now via pay pal, place a wager for 5.00 USD on evolution in thedas working the same way it does for humans as it does the humans of earth.

[ZombieOberyn]

What the hell does "proven evolutionary and behavioural science" have to do with a completely made-up fantasy world where magic grows out of the ground in mineral form, and people astrally project into another dimension when they dream?

So in other words:

fantasy world = devs create something in-line with Mockingword's world-views

 

 

Prove that gravity exists in Thedas.

Things fall to the ground. For all intents and purposes gravity exists, or the Maker wants things to stay on the ground, the end result is the same.

[Ryzaki]

I am willing to, right now via pay pal, place a wager for 5.00 USD on evolution in thedas working the same way it does for humans as it does the humans of earth.

 

But you don't know it does so...?

[Mockingword]

So in other words:

fantasy world = devs create something in-line with Mockingword's world-views

Sure, it might seem that way to someone who can't read.

[Han Shot First]

"There is a direct correlation between the geographic distribution of UV radiation (UVR) and the distribution of indigenous skin pigmentation around the world. Areas that highlight higher amounts of UVR reflect darker-skinned populations, generally located nearer towards the equator. Areas that are far from the tropics and closer to the poles have lower concentration of UVR, which is reflected in lighter-skinned populations."

 

 

Human Skin Color

[ZombieOberyn]

Sure, it might seem that way to someone who can't read.

How clever of you, I bet you were the most popular kid in grammar school.

[Han Shot First]

Prove that gravity exists in Thedas.

 

The sun wouldn't exist without it. Nor would the moon. Or the planet the continent of Thedas rests on. 

 

Its not my job to teach you how celestial bodies are formed. Go google.

[Mockingword]

Things fall to the ground.

And how do you know that gravity is what causes that?

 

 

For all intents and purposes gravity exists, or the Maker wants things to stay on the ground, the end result is the same.

Okay, so you admit that there are alternatives to the existence of gravity.

 

The "end result" is irrelevant. We already know that things have weight in Thedas, we're hypothesizing about why.

[9TailsFox]

Since when does cold weather make people white? (no it's a serious question I'm curious).

 

Especially since we know the people currently living in Thedas were not native to that land 1000 years ago.

What dos cold weather have to do whit it, it doesn't?. Sun is the factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin

[Ryzaki]

*snip*

 

Human Skin Color

 

Thx Han

 

That still doesn't stop asian looking Fereldans from being possible however. The countries clearly have mixed and the Chasind (who live in the wilds (I really don't imagine much sun there) are rather dark. But I might be wrong on that.

 

Edit:  Also Morrigan (who is rather pale) is described as looking Chasind looking as well as that rather dark skinned male. There is skin tone variations among groups.

 

What dos cold weather hate to do whit it, it doesn't?. Sun is the factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin

 

"colder part of the planet" but fair enough.

[Cainhurst Crow]

What the hell does "proven evolutionary and behavioural science" have to do with a completely made-up fantasy world where magic grows out of the ground in mineral form, and people astrally project into another dimension when they dream?

Because that fantasy setting introduced evolution as an existing concept in its setting. Elves have recessive traits that are over-ridden by human genetics, dwarves have more dominant traits which results in a half-dwarf being able to be born, and magic itself seems to behave much like a recessive gene, managing to skip generations only to emerge again. Lady Isolde has a family in which the magic gene exists, and it showed itself after skipping her and presumably her grandfathers generation in connor. The fact that there are families whose bloodlines can have a higher chance of magic in them is a sign of genetics and evolution at play, plain as day.

[Mockingword]

The sun wouldn't exist without it. Nor would the moon. Or the planet the continent of Thedas rests on. 

Prove that the planet Thedas rests on even exists in our universe, or in a universe that obeys similar scientific principles.

[9TailsFox]

Prove that gravity exists in Thedas.

Start at 55 sec.

[Mockingword]

Because that fantasy setting introduced evolution as an existing concept in its setting. Elves have recessive traits that are over-ridden by human genetics, dwarves have more dominant traits which results in a half-dwarf being able to be born, and magic itself seems to behave much like a recessive gene, managing to skip generations only to emerge again. Lady Isolde has a family in which the magic gene exists, and it showed itself after skipping her and presumably her grandfathers generation in connor. The fact that there are families whose bloodlines can have a higher chance of magic in them is a sign of genetics and evolution at play, plain as day.

Lol, no, word of Gaider is that the "recessiveness" of elven traits relative to human ones is because of magic.

 

There's no evidence that genetics are even a thing in Thedas.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Prove that gravity exists in Thedas.

You can't be serious.

Bows can fire arrows in arcs, people fall downwards towards the planets center of mass, and weight exists.

How can you sit there and type such a stupid statement with any sort of self-dignity?

[Mockingword]

http://youtu.be/sdaQC6GUrnU?t=55s

So what? How does this prove that gravity exists?

 

"Gravity makes things fall to the ground. Therefore, if a fantasy object falls to the fantasy ground in a fantasy world, it must be due to the real-life scientific principle of gravity."

 

Nope. Sorry.