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[drome34]

I'll ignore the obvious absurdity of equating different ethnicities with economics/sport, in favour of pointing out that the most popular news sites carry news about economics and sports as well as multiple other subject.

Doesn't that just blow your mind.

edit: also, 'we would have seen it already'? You are aware there is productions out there which do feature more varied casts, aren't you? So by your own logic if we've seen it, it is apparently profitable... and so where does the world bankruptcy thing come from, again?

 

And some of the most important and popular sites about economics,and other things, such as games, movies, food, technology, culture, travel, buying shoes comedy, etc, dont. There is a market , a big one, for specifics and diversity would be a waste of production since it would add no value. There are probably millions of websites out there proving this to you everywhere you go, you might even visit a few of them your self.

 

My mind is not the least blown by there existing media that caters to a variety of people. 

 

The whole world havent adopted variety/diversity/multiculturalism as its guiding "invisible hand" for making profit. I bet that blows your mind. And makes you angry at the eviiiiiil white straight males that "run the world".

 

And the sillyness in your edit is already explained by me in a post above. There simply isnt enough of a market for the kind of "inclusiveness" or "variety" to please you. But, by all means, since you know better how to run a business then the millions of entrepeneaurs out there, why don't you go ahead and start your own "varied" business and make millions?  

 

In regards to adding Asians in DA:I , it might just be that it would add no profit to do so, but would cost money to create. It is therefore left out in favour of something else. Whining about diveristy to bioware would get you no-where since they would be looking to please the majority of consumers, who for example would like a new cool companion or a cool looking demon to kill over having random Asians in the game (wich would add no value to them since they might not care either way).

[Star fury]

It never ceases to astound me how readily people will fall back on "XYZ has the right to be racist or homophobic if it wants to!"

 

Like, seriously. If the best defense you can come up with for that kind of behaviour is "At least it's not illegal!", then you need to rethink your position.

 

And why does this right apparently only exist for the companies being criticised, and not for the individuals doing the criticising.

 

"Companies have the right to be racist if they want, so you should shut up! Calling them out on their racism is unfair and might cost them business!"

 

Also, the whole "some people might not buy it!" argument (as if that's not an inherent risk of every design decision BioWare makes). I think there are some customers that most developers would be happy to lose. Does any company really want to be known as "the ones that make that game series that racists love"? Is Aryan Nations a big market for the video game industry?

Your avatar is fitting for your message.

[drome34]

It never ceases to astound me how readily people will fall back on "XYZ has the right to be racist or homophobic if it wants to!"

 

Like, seriously. If the best defense you can come up with for that kind of behaviour is "At least it's not illegal!", then you need to rethink your position.

 

And why does this right apparently only exist for the companies being criticised, and not for the individuals doing the criticising.

 

"Companies have the right to be racist if they want, so you should shut up! Calling them out on their racism is unfair and might cost them business!"

 

Also, the whole "some people might not buy it!" argument (as if that's not an inherent risk of every design decision BioWare makes). I think there are some customers that most developers would be happy to lose. Does any company really want to be known as "the ones that make that game series that racists love"? Is Aryan Nations a big market for the video game industry?

 

I was going to repond to this and explain why discrimination is important for all business owners. But then you made the usual (racist) thing and equated racism with white people. "Aryan Nations". Give me a break. 

[tmp7704]

And some of the most important and popular sites about economics,and other things, such as games, movies, food, technology, culture, travel, buying shoes comedy, etc, dont.

Which is a very different argument from "you can't have productions more inclusive than completely specialized, because that would make the whole world go bankrupt".

And honestly, it doesn't help this analogy is such complete rubbish -- there's very little if anything that subjects like food, technology, travel have in common with one another, so specialization can makes some decent sense. But if you believe that there's similarly nothing in common between people of various ethnicities and thus that ethnicity alone would determine interest in the person (ignoring their individual personality, skills, interest, beliefs etc) ... sorry, it just seems like am ignorant and/or narrowminded view to hold.

And the sillyness in your edit is already explained by me in a post above. There simply isnt enough of a market for the kind of "inclusiveness" or "variety" to please you.

I don't see any real explanation here. You just keep repeating "there's no market for it" even when it requires you to actively ignore existing examples which, by your own logic, point to the contrary. That's not an explanation, that's sticking to theory which doesn't hold water out of what looks like stubbornness, at best.

Authoritative talk about "no market for it because if there was one it'd have been done" is especially funny in context of computer games, where new genres and paradigm shifts are far from unusual. e.g. 10 years ago you'd have people arguing just as seriously that the world market for MMO games has 500 thousand players, tops. Because that's what Everquest had at that point. And then you know, World of Warcraft happened. What does it tell you about the expertise and the business sense of all these "millions of entrepeneaurs out there"?

Whining about diveristy to bioware would get you no-where since they would be looking to please the majority of consumers, who for example would like a new cool companion or a cool looking demon to kill over having random Asians in the game (wich would add no value to them since they might not care either way).

Except you know, the "whining" as you put it may be a way for the customers to provide feedback to BioWare that there's more interest in getting some more varied racial representation in the game, than there is in seeing some another "cool demon to kill". Because I see this thread, but it doesn't look like anyone wants the "new cool demon to kill" enough to even make one. So why would you think that putting resources into something that there's no requests for is actually the way to "please the majority of consumers", vs doing something some of them explicitly ask for?

[Mockingword]

I was going to repond to this and explain why discrimination is important for all business owners. But then you made the usual (racist) thing and equated racism with white people. "Aryan Nations". Give me a break. 

It was just an example, don't get your knickers in a knot.

[drome34]

Which is a very different argument from "you can't have productions more inclusive than completely specialized, because that would make the whole world go bankrupt".

And honestly, it doesn't help this analogy is such complete rubbish -- there's very little if anything that subjects like food, technology, travel have in common with one another, so specialization can makes some decent sense. But if you believe that there's similarly nothing in common between people of various ethnicities and thus that ethnicity alone would determine interest in the person (ignoring their individual personality, skills, interest, beliefs etc) ... sorry, it just seems like am ignorant and/or narrowminded view to hold.

I don't see any real explanation here. You just keep repeating "there's no market for it" even when it requires you to actively ignore existing examples which, by your own logic, point to the contrary. That's not an explanation, that's sticking to theory which doesn't hold water out of what looks like stubbornness, at best.

Authoritative talk about "no market for it because if there was one it'd have been done" is especially funny in context of computer games, where new genres and paradigm shifts are far from unusual. e.g. 10 years ago you'd have people arguing just as seriously that the world market for MMO games has 500 thousand players, tops. Because that's what Everquest had at that point. And then you know, World of Warcraft happened. What does it tell you about the expertise and the business sense of all these "millions of entrepeneaurs out there"?

Except you know, the "whining" as you put it may be a way for the customers to provide feedback to BioWare that there's more interest in getting some more varied racial representation in the game, than there is in seeing some another "cool demon to kill". Because I see this thread, but it doesn't look like anyone wants the "new cool demon to kill" enough to even make one. So why would you think that putting resources into something that there's no requests for is actually the way to "please the majority of consumers", vs doing something some of them explicitly ask for?

 

I took your example to the extreme by having all discrimination outlawed in the world. That would lead to quite a few bankruptcies and in general malplaced capital. That was pretty obvious but you stubbornly refuse to concede to your idiotic economic theory that "diversty is our strenght!" leading to this pointless "debate".

 

In regards to people foreshadowing the future, well, pretty much no one can do that without risk. For example, IBM said that no one would like a computer at home. Apple & Intel & a few other companies wagered differently and took a risk and developed personal home computers. And profited massively. Why is that "funny"? In my economic textbooks it is a basic lesson.  But for "diversity is our strength!" you dont need foresight. You can implement it today! Then why dont the whole wide world do it? You equate future market knowledge with current market knowledge. That says alot about your economic knowledge. Bisarre. Or just stupid.

 

And saying there are no requests for companions or development of them is especially funny in context of the  game developer bioware. Explanation unneccecary.

 

I like how people like you started this debate by saying "white straight men are eviiiil" and then it boils down to "white straight men dont know how to do business!". Sigh.

 

The "diversity is our strenth!" crowd is worse then the Qun.

[drome34]

It was just an example, don't get your knickers in a knot.

Thats your best defence for acting racist? "Uh, it was just an example, nothing racist!"

[Mockingword]

Thats your best defence for acting racist? "Uh, it was just an example, nothing racist!"

An example of a racist organization, yes.

 

And since this thread is very much about mostly white people trying to excuse the lack of people of colour in media, I think it's apt.

 

Exactly what other kind of racist did you think Dragon Age could feasibly appeal to? Seems to me like that ship has sailed.

[Das Tentakel]

Even when you're in the southern hemisphere.

 
Precisely! All according to logical, reality-based fantasy worldbuilding rules! 
 

 
Meanwhile, in Northern Australia's Arnhemland...