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[efd731]

And thus, the church of Bobby Singer was born.

 

All praise to bobby singer.....Idjits

In one episode, they brought goddess Kali in. She has sex with an angel or demon, I don't remember, then he betrays and kills her. There are also other gods they bring in from other religions which they bash in that episode. Wasn't exactly offensive to me because I'm not much of a religious person, but it certainly felt gratuitous and demeaning to the religion itself.

 

 

 

I know for a fact that there would be a major uproar in my country if it got noticed. Indians take such things very seriously.

i saw that episode recently. they have sex(because the gods in supernatural are pretty much spoiled humans with super powers) she betrays him and kills him(or so she thinks) and the only other indian specific god was ganesh the elephant guy. how any of that is offensive i dunno, mostly because anything is free game in supernatural and unless you object to their inclusion theres nothing offensive at all.

[TurretSyndrome]

All praise to bobby singer.....Idjits

i saw that episode recently. they have sex(because the gods in supernatural are pretty much spoiled humans with super powers) she betrays him and kills him(or so she thinks) and the only other indian specific god was ganesh the elephant guy. how any of that is offensive i dunno, mostly because anything is free game in supernatural and unless you object to their inclusion theres nothing offensive at all.

 

Well, what's offensive is subjective from one person to another. What if Kali is replaced by Mary, and Lucifer had raped her or something? How much would that offend the Christian societies? I bet that show would be banned in an hour of that episode being aired. I can be in your place and say "that's not offensive at all, you guys should chill, it's just a show". I don't believe the mere inclusion of any god is offensive by nature, just the way it is being used.

[ladyoflate]

All praise to bobby singer.....Idjits

i saw that episode recently. they have sex(because the gods in supernatural are pretty much spoiled humans with super powers) she betrays him and kills him(or so she thinks) and the only other indian specific god was ganesh the elephant guy. how any of that is offensive i dunno, mostly because anything is free game in supernatural and unless you object to their inclusion theres nothing offensive at all.

 

Multiple seasons of that show have relied entirely and explicitly on Christian mythology, and you're saying that literally killing off all the non-christian major gods that have appeared (and weren't just made up whole cloth by the writers) in one episode that is barely an arc episode isn't offensive

really

really

[efd731]

I didn't think about the killing, just their inclusion in the episode.
I'm also a bad person to talk to about offending religious sensibilities, because I view scooby-doo with more reverence than any of that. (Also, a rape scene where the devil bones Mary is hardly equivalent to Kali being an angry bloodthirsty murder goddess....which she was)

[efd731]

Multiple seasons of that show have relied entirely and explicitly on Christian mythology, and you're saying that literally killing off all the non-christian major gods that have appeared (and weren't just made up whole cloth by the writers) in one episode that is barely an arc episode isn't offensive
really
really

also, super OT.....but did you really think any other mythology was going to stand a chance against the devil....in America....on a popular tv show?

[ladyoflate]

also, super OT.....but did you really think any other mythology was going to stand a chance against the devil....in America....on a popular tv show?

 

That makes okay/not offensive how?

[efd731]

No, just unrealistic (the expectation)

[ladyoflate]

This thread needs a good dose of Sarcastic Hawke. Or Isabela.

 

You know... the kind of person who jokes about everything and doesn't take a stand.

 

Seriously though. Nobody is obligated to respect anyone else's religion. The best you can ask for is that others let you have that religion. The greatest respect anyone can acknowledge is your freedom of religion. Other than that, people don't have to treat it as sacred. That's asking too much. Definitely when it comes to the internet at least. Or in America and Canada, where Supernatural is filmed, I think. If it's a problem in India, their government can censor it. Problem solved.

 

I've got plenty a sense of humor, I just also think we need to recognize that things don't happen in a context-free vacuum, and stuff we may not think about still contributes to an overall hostile and harmful environment. The straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What does any of this Supernatural discussion have to do with the topic of whether there should be more Asians in Thedas or not?

[ladyoflate]

What does any of this Supernatural discussion have to do with the topic of whether there should be more Asians in Thedas or not?

 

Dude doesn't want more Asians because he thinks they'll be handled disrespectfully, which a is good point, dude replied that you can't expect respect for other cultures, look at Supernatural it's comedy yes, I have extremely rigid high standards but also reasons for them. Very roughly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dude doesn't want more Asians because he thinks they'll be handled disrespectfully, which a is good point, dude replied that you can't expect respect for other cultures, look at Supernatural it's comedy yes, I have extremely rigid high standards but also reasons for them. Very roughly.

The point was made one and a half pages ago. 

[TurretSyndrome]

Mary is hardly equivalent to Kali being an angry bloodthirsty murder goddess....which she was

 

also, super OT.....but did you really think any other mythology was going to stand a chance against the devil....in America....on a popular tv show?

 

Now you're just being ignorant and arrogant in your ignorance. This is not a valid argument you're making so I suggest you step out with dignity.

 

To your second post, this isn't Smite where gods battle it out. Regardless, being an American TV show doesn't make it OK to bash beliefs of other religions while safe-guarding yours, that's just hypocritical and disrespectful. That was the point I was trying to make.

 

 

Seriously though. Nobody is obligated to respect anyone else's religion. The best you can ask for is that others let you have that religion. The greatest respect anyone can acknowledge is your freedom of religion.

 

Nobody's asking for their religion to be treated as sacred, only that they respect it and not bash it or insinuate that their religion is somehow superior compared to others through gratuitous works.

 

The Kali thing was an example of how some entertainment mediums like to do it. I didn't mention it because I have high standards or because I was all butt hurt about it. My replies to efd731 were in response to his curiosity and his other posts. Anyway, I'll stop before people start thinking that I'm being self-righteous and condescending.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well, what's offensive is subjective from one person to another. What if Kali is replaced by Mary, and Lucifer had raped her or something? How much would that offend the Christian societies? I bet that show would be banned in an hour of that episode being aired. I can be in your place and say "that's not offensive at all, you guys should chill, it's just a show". I don't believe the mere inclusion of any god is offensive by nature, just the way it is being used.

 

I doubt it would get more then a few articles blasting it, along with a lot of people telling the angry folks to get over it. This is the same country where the story about Satan getting a sweet 16 birthday party, the story about mankind killing angels sent by god to bring judgement day upon us, and two self-proclaimed atheists magician entertainers who made an entire segment in their show all about things they don't believe in, about the holy bible being bull ****, are not just allowed, but beloved. An entire movie was made calling jesus, god, and the story of religion not just a fairy tale on part with Scientology, but destructive to the human races well being, was made and shown in my country, and nobody cared. People beating people up over nude artwork, folks getting essentially shunned for their statements, and a government who bends the knee to extremism, is a really weird sort of thing to see. So hearing about how a show would be banned for what to me seems like light liberties taken is downright bizzare in my book.

 

But hey, who am I to talk? I like a show where Jesus and Buddha are two best friends sharing an apartment in japan. So maybe my range of what is or isn't offensive is set way too far into the other end of the extreme.

 

[TurretSyndrome]

So maybe my range of what is or isn't offensive is set way too far into the other end of the extreme.

 

Well, that's what I said, what's offensive is subjective. I don't know much about America or any other western countries and how they react to the inclusion of religion in a work, or how it is portrayed, I do know a bit about my countrymen's outlook on such matters. There are no laws against freedom of expression here either. However, it's not to say that people will just suck it up and take it regardless of the extremity of the expression, they won't, not all the time and not all of them. Also, if India lacked tolerance, considering Pakistan's acts against it every now and then, as well as the common fallouts between various religious, cultural groups in the country, things would be a lot different right now.

 

Personally, I didn't think much about that episode of Supernatural. I watched it, then I continued watching it until the end of the arc. I did comment however saying "boy, if Indian media caught a whiff of this...", but nothing more. That's my tolerance level.  

 

Anyway, enough of that. If Bioware wants to pursue more cultural diversity by taking inspiration from the ones in Asia, I'm sure they'll do it properly and not just slap one in for the sake of it. This leads me to being more interested in such a prospect than concerned.

[efd731]

Now you're just being ignorant and arrogant in your ignorance. This is not a valid argument you're making so I suggest you step out with dignity.

To your second post, this isn't Smite where gods battle it out. Regardless, being an American TV show doesn't make it OK to bash beliefs of other religions while safe-guarding yours, that's just hypocritical and disrespectful. That was the point I was trying to make.


Nobody's asking for their religion to be treated as sacred, only that they respect it and not bash it or insinuate that their religion is somehow superior compared to others through gratuitous works.

The Kali thing was an example of how some entertainment mediums like to do it. I didn't mention it because I have high standards or because I was all butt hurt about it. My replies to efd731 were in response to his curiosity and his other posts. Anyway, I'll stop before people start thinking that I'm being self-righteous and condescending.

1 too late.
2 you cut off my post prematurely. You edited the part (where I was responding to your comparison) of having kali have sex on tv being equal to lucifer raping Mary(the virgin chick lol). You not only framed
My response out of Context, but edited out the only part that made the response make sense.

[yawnandshrug]

Dude doesn't want more Asians because he thinks they'll be handled disrespectfully, which a is good point, dude replied that you can't expect respect for other cultures, look at Supernatural it's comedy yes, I have extremely rigid high standards but also reasons for them. Very roughly.

 

 

*Cough* Kai Leng *cough*

 

Please no, if 'inclusion' means adhering to some tired old stereotype, then I'd rather we go without.

[AkiKishi]

You kind of forget about the little differences when there is something more different to hate on. 

[rocsage]

given the status quo within the plot, such group(s) may be introduced as residing beyond par vollen and subject to naval blockade until veil tear debilitated qunari empire.

in terms of development cycle, on the other hand, no, I don't see how 4 months is enough to introduce an entire race when the game has been substantially made.and in the testing phase.

While ethnically within this category, I fail to grasp the significance of introducing such a group: medieval, western Europe certainly didn't have notable interaction with tang, song and yuan dynasties or their tribute states, so inclusion of asian content would mean deliberate violation of historical/geographical accuracy, assuming that's your super-ordinate goal.