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[Chari]

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It sickens me when I see people preaching for darkskinned/black/latina representation cuz diversity but if you ask for Asian characters it is suddenly all about lore and geography
Such racist double standards

[9TailsFox]

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It sickens me when I see people preaching for darkskinned/black/latina representation cuz diversity but if you ask for Asian characters it is suddenly all about lore and geography
Such racist double standards

Who cares about black, white, yellow... We should care about most under-represented blue people, chiss deserve presentation to and was oppressed to long.

[Chari]

Who cares about black, white, yellow... We should care about most under-represented blue people, chiss deserve presentation to and was oppressed to long.

Asari? Oh, do not fear. They will outlive us all

[9TailsFox]

Asari? Oh, do not fear. They will outlive us all

Asari was good step, but it's not enough.

[tmp7704]

They could put some people who look like they're from Vietnam, Cambodia, etc...and have them be from Rivain. Rivain has darker skinned people we know, but they don't have a common look. Duncan looked Persian, DA:O Isabella looked white with a tan and DA2 Isabella looked Hispanic(but was supposed to be black), who else have we even seen?

This pops up every now and then, but no, DA:O Isabela wasn't 'white with a tan'; she had the darkest skin tone available in the game, and pretty much the same she had in DA2. Some people might think she's white due to lighting in the building she appears in, but that's what she's like in neutral lighting:

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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Whoa, whoa.. Was that directed at me? Just curious, because it was right after my post, when I talked about lore.

 

In any case, I like lore in general. Not a fan of randomness. I'd love to see black and latin inclusions for the same reason. As for "darkskinned", well, we know two dark Rivainis so far (Isabela, and Duncan, who's half). I'm still not sure what their based on though. Morrocco or Spain?

• Rivain is loosely based upon Spain in that Spain was the point of entry for the Moors to enter Europe, and its culture was changed a great deal by the Moorish (in this case, Qunari) presence.^[15]

[javeart]

Sometimes this doesn't seem quite medieval though. Sometimes Dragon Age resembles the Renaissance (especially the Orlesian stuff). It's kind of all over the place really. I don't care either way (even being ethinically in this category too), but you could bring different cultures in a Renaissance kind of setting at least. Lots of explorers by that time, as well as threats, as well as some Mongol incursions, and trade (the Silk Road). Brother Genetivi could be the new Marco Polo

 

This. I'm always surprised about how much some people care about keeping DA universe "medieval" when we already have Orlais in it

[Nefla]

This pops up every now and then, but no, DA:O Isabela wasn't 'white with a tan'; she had the darkest skin tone available in the game, and pretty much the same she had in DA2. Some people might think she's white due to lighting in the building she appears in, but that's what she's like in neutral lighting:

 

Her facial features are Caucasian. (thus "white with a tan) You can't just slap a darker skintone on someone and call it a different race.

 

Who cares about black, white, yellow... We should care about most under-represented blue people, chiss deserve presentation to and was oppressed to long.

Indeed good sir or madame

[AkiKishi]

Her facial features are Caucasian. (thus "white with a tan) You can't just slap a darker skintone on someone and call it a different race.

 

 

You can if it's a technical limitation. 

[Nefla]

You can if it's a technical limitation. 

I guess, but Duncan is supposed to be of Rivaini descent too and he doesn't look like he's supposed to be black in any way. You could also argue that people from ____ were always supposed to look Asian but due to technical difficulties they still looked white with a different skin tone until DA:I and not have to put some kind of explanation. Mass Effect however did a good job of distinguishing races.

[AkiKishi]

Rivians are like the Spansih. If it follows that, then some will be Moors and some won't, Or anywhere in between.

[TheWhitefire]

Also, Duncan was only half Rivani. And half Rivani he looked. A bit arabic mixed with some southern european. Helped in ways that the guy who voiced him was also the master assassin in Assasin's Creed 1.

Isabella is hardly caucasian. In the first game, yeah, due to the lightning and technical limitations she looks *more* caucasian, but that's all gone by the time we see her in 2.

For an entirely new phenotype (regardless of what sort of Asian we're looking for) to just... suddenly appear in Thedas without any explanation would be jarring and would hurt the lore of the story. And yes, Nationality *is* important in Thedas. Leliana is remarkable because she looks Ferelden because of her Ferelden parentage. This is one of her defining features. The Orlesians are all primarily dark haired and pale skinned, where as she has red hair, a distinctly Ferelden trait. It is something that, by Orlesian reckoning, would set her apart as "exotic" and "savage." A person with East Asian or Souther Asian traits would similarly be regarded as exotic and extraordinary. People in Thedas would talk about it, be curious as to where they came from, and trying to decide if these new people were a threat or a possible boon.

Black characters can exist because the people of Rivain often have black or arabic features. It would stand that the humans of Par Vollen and Seheron likely share these features.

[javeart]

Rivians are like the Spansih. If it follows that, then some will be Moors and some won't, Or anywhere in between.

 

I don't think one could explain Rivainis' looks as a representation of real medieval Spanish population's ethnicity. It wouldn't make much sense.

 

That said, I agree it very well could be that Rivain population is very ethnically diverse, because we haven't met many Rivainis and there's no reason to thinnk that two or three people represents appropriately the rest of the "nation". The same could be said of some other "nations", in my opinion

[tmp7704]

Her facial features are Caucasian. (thus "white with a tan) You can't just slap a darker skintone on someone and call it a different race.

Eh, I'd say there was some effort put in altering the features (prominent lips, strong cheek bones, eye shape, hair/eyebrows etc) to the point where she could be easily viewed black --within limitations of the engine/morph system-- if one doesn't start from "that's a white girl" point. The nose is about the only thing that's questionable, but it's hard to get it much better than that in the toolset, iirc.

[Nefla]

Eh, I'd say there was some effort put in altering the features (prominent lips, strong cheek bones, eye shape, hair/eyebrows etc) to the point where she could be easily viewed black --within limitations of the engine/morph system-- if one doesn't start from "that's a white girl" point. The nose is about the only thing that's questionable, but it's hard to get it much better than that in the toolset, iirc.

I didn't start with any notions about her in DA:O and based on her looks I just thought she was a white girl tanned from her life on the open ocean. The only character in the series so far who has actually looked black to me is Vivienne but no one is making a stink about her and saying there needs to be some kind of explanation as to why there are black people now and that she needs to come from some far off land, etc...the way they are saying about including people who look Asian.

[tmp7704]

I didn't start with any notions about her in DA:O and based on her looks I just thought she was a white girl tanned from her life on the open ocean. The only character in the series so far who has actually looked black to me is Vivienne (..)

That's rather funny to read, as putting their pictures side by side features-wise Vivienne and DA:O Isabela have a lot in common -- with the one point where DAI pulls clearly ahead being the skin tone/highlights rendering. It never occurred to me Isabela was thought to be white until I read some BW forums post, so I guess it may boil down to individual differences in whatever preconceptions we hold about the races and their appearances.

[Nefla]

That's rather funny to read, as putting their pictures side by side features-wise Vivienne and DA:O Isabela have a lot in common -- with the one point where DAI pulls clearly ahead being the skin tone/highlights rendering. It never occurred to me Isabela was thought to be white until I read some BW forums post, so I guess it may boil down to individual differences in whatever preconceptions we hold about the races and their appearances.

It never occurred to be that she might be black(even in DA2 where she was more detailed) until David Gaider said she was meant to be in the DA2 forums.

[Han Shot First]

I guess, but Duncan is supposed to be of Rivaini descent too and he doesn't look like he's supposed to be black in any way. You could also argue that people from ____ were always supposed to look Asian but due to technical difficulties they still looked white with a different skin tone until DA:I and not have to put some kind of explanation. Mass Effect however did a good job of distinguishing races.

 

Rivain appears to be a melting pot of two or more different ethnic groups. 

 

I would compare it to some Carribean, Central American, or South American nations where people can range in appearance from European, African, Native-American, or some combination of any or all of those three.

 

Isabela and Duncan just happen to be lighter complected Rivaini. There are dark complected Rivaini as well, we just haven't met any yet in the series. (perhaps Vivienne?)

[happy_daiz]

How can you have Asians in Thedas, when there is no Asia?

 

I understand people wanting races to be represented equally, but this does not fit into game lore. By opening this can of worms, all races should be represented equally, which basically blows everything already established in the DA universe to bits.

[Mockingword]

How can you have Asians in Thedas, when there is no Asia?

 

I understand people wanting races to be represented equally, but this does not fit into game lore. By opening this can of worms, all races should be represented equally, which basically blows everything already established in the DA universe to bits.

Or just have characters that look Asian, and call them something else.

 

Or just have characters that look Asian, and don't explain it at all, because it's not necessary.

[9TailsFox]

Or just have characters that look Asian, and call them something else.

 

Or just have characters that look Asian, and don't explain it at all, because it's not necessary.

Human Why you grey and have horns it look strange for me.

Qunari: I don't need to explain.

Human: Oh ok.