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You know, I don't think there's actually anyone in DA who expressed this sort of amazement. Perhaps because the kossith have been around the block for a while, and people in Thedas actually have heard about them, know they exist, and got over it.Human Why you grey and have horns it look strange for me.
Qunari: I don't need to explain.
Human: Oh ok.
Human Why you grey and have horns it look strange for me.
Qunari: I don't need to explain.
Human: Oh ok.
More like:
Human: "What's with the horns?"
Qunari: "We've always had them. We've had them for the 300 years our races have been in contact with each other, remember?"
Human: "Oh yeah, that's right! I'm so dumb. Like, literally rock-stupid. Sorry about that, I don't know what I was thinking."
I didn't start with any notions about her in DA:O and based on her looks I just thought she was a white girl tanned from her life on the open ocean. The only character in the series so far who has actually looked black to me is Vivienne but no one is making a stink about her and saying there needs to be some kind of explanation as to why there are black people now and that she needs to come from some far off land, etc...the way they are saying about including people who look Asian.
Lore justification isn't necessary for the existence of black people either, so it's not that much of a difference.
Lore justification is necessary for everything in a story-driven experience.Lore justification isn't necessary for the existence of black people either, so it's not that much of a difference.
Her facial features are Caucasian. (thus "white with a tan) You can't just slap a darker skintone on someone and call it a different race:
The Lore should be above all things. Once you start picking and choosing what bits of the lore to break its a slippery slope though.
So, the difference boils down to adding a Codex entry.Because the lore states Rivani people can be dark skinned enough to be analogous to real life black people (I believe one of the Codex entries say skin tone can range to "ebony" in Rivain).
The lore does not state, nor have we seen in game, any group or ethnicity which is analogous to real life stereotypical East Asian phenotypes.
That's the difference.
Lore justification is necessary for everything in a story-driven experience.
Except elves and dwarves, who as far as we know always existed. And trees, and rocks, and animals, and dirt, and fire, and water, and air. There's certainly no lore justification given for the existence of white humans in the vast majority of "story-driven experiences". We just take it for granted that the honky is the default dominant species in pretty much every fantasy world. Even if there is "lore justification" for it, it's either ridiculously flimsy (like, let's face it, all lore justification is) or the audience isn't actually privy to it, so it's irrelevant.
"Lore justification" is a lazy excuse for being exclusionary. Where's the lore justification for the people of colour to be a separate group in the first place? There isn't one, but I don't see you complaining about that.
Is lore justification necessary for the existence of Hobbits? Or dragons? When you first picked up Lord of the Rings, did you complain about how the book never once stopped to explain how Hobbits came to exist, and how they came to be in Middle Earth? I'm guessing not, because a ) it's not actually important, b ) everyone knows from the outset that a fantasy work is likely to contain things that are not real and c) even if you write out the entire history of your fictional universe from beginning to end, you're going to hit a wall. If you insist on creating a lore justification for everything in a story, one of two things will happen:
1) Eventually, you throw your hands up with a cry of "And before [everything that the story is actually about], there was [Deity of some kind/empty space] and that always existed", which is a total cop out and not really a justification at all.
2) You die before you finish.
Heck, the majority population of Nevarra could be Asian for all we know. We've met one Nevarran.
Heck, the majority population of Nevarra could be Asian for all we know. We've met one Nevarran.
Cassandra?
Cassandra?
Yes. What I mean is, one woman does not a white country make.
If she's a native Nevarran you can infer certain things from it.
"Lore justification" is a lazy excuse for being exclusionary. Where's the lore justification for the people of colour to be a separate group in the first place? There isn't one, but I don't see you complaining about that.
I'll pull this part off to address.
Basic genetics tell us this.
Who says genetics even exists in Thedas?
Where's the lore justification?
I'll pull this part off to address.
Basic genetics tell us this. These nations have existed for thousands of years. By looking at it through the myopic and bizarre filter of our world today, you miss basic common sense. Physical traits are genetics. The only way people can look different enough to qualify as a separate race is after centuries, if not millennia, of independent breeding. In today's world of fast travel and increasing diverse cities, people of all ethnicities life together. And, if we continue doing so for another 1,000 years, then people will all begin looking the same through dozens upon dozens of generations of people having babies together.
The same would happen in Thedas. The "people of color" in Thedas live on the island nation of Rivain. Why? Because if they lived everywhere, equidistant from the "honky" looking people, as you describe them, then between even the time of the last Blight and this one, there would be no more dark skinned people, nor lilly white honkies. It would become a mix of Mediteranean looking folk, similar to Duncan.
That's not to say Rivain people can't travel - Isabella and Vivienne clearly have. But for there to be people different appearances that are analogous to our real world ethnicities, then geographic differences (or vey strong socio-political ones, like what we see with the Alienage elves and how cross race relationships are frowned upon) are required.
Now... could Thedas have been set up as a culturally varied, rainbow ethnicity world where all real world people were reflected equally? Sure. The questions of basic genetics would be raised momentarily, but if the entire world was designed that way, where any couple who had a baby had an equal chance of popping out a ebony baby as a lily white one, then it could be ignored.
But Thedas was not designed like that. That ship has sailed. If you say keeping the world as it was designed is racist, then you are saying Bioware was racist with their world design. And, you know what? Maybe they were.
But that ship has sailed. And introducing further retcons and lore damage like the Qunari is not the answer to anything.
dude i think a lot of travel has existed in our world for a few thousand years and different races still exist
the majority of asia is obviously non-white (because let's face it europe is a subcontinent like india. really) but white people exist. Genetics are weird and countries have arbitrary borders that still enforce marriage within that border, which leads to a lack of homogenization between countries.
Who says genetics even exists in Thedas?
Where's the lore justification?
dude i think a lot of travel has existed in our world for a few thousand years and different races still exist
Extensive travel is a fairly modern concept. In the time similar to where DA is set most people would never have set foot outside of their village.
Prior to that you have to go back to when the various land bridges still existed.
Who says genetics even exists in Thedas?
If she's a native Nevarran you can infer certain things from it.
Not necessarily. It depends on the size of Nevarra and where the borders fell in relation to certain population groups. Look at Brazil, they're diverse as hell. Plus her family deposed the previous royal family (as far as the histories of countries go. as far as a dynasty the pentaghasts have had a pretty good run but unrealistically long dynasties are a given in fantasy) so it's not like they're the ones who created the country.
We see examples of cross breeding between two humans, or even human and other races, results in offspring that share aspects of both races.
Ergo, some version of genetics as we understand it exists in Thedas.
Okay, so what I'm getting from this is that we're allowed to make up our own lore justification.
Who says genetics even exists in Thedas?
Where's the lore justification?
So, the fact that not everything is explained means that everything DOESN'T need to be explained? 
lolwut?
There's no proof whatsoever that Thedas follows any of the basic scientific principles that we hold as truth in our own reality.
There's no proof whatsoever that Thedas follows any of the basic scientific principles that we hold as truth in our own reality.
Extensive travel is a fairly modern concept. In the time similar to where DA is set most people would never have set foot outside of their village.
Prior to that you have to go back to when the various land bridges still existed.
There's the silk road and such. The way he worded his post made it sound like if any POC population existed outside of Rivain, suddenly white people disappear. Which is demonstrably not a thing.
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