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[TheMadHarridan]

Ah, Choir Boy. He's handsome, pure, and gives Elthina a run for her money in the "Super Holy & Preachy" category. But despite those glorious blue eyes, I've never been able to take the plunge and solely romance Sebastian. Oh, I've flirted with him shamelessly, but I can't imagine my Hawke devoting her life to a guy who probably will never break his vow of chastity. My FemHawke has needs too.

 

I always flirt with him as a female Hawke, and by Act 3, particularly if I'm romancing Anders (I can't remember if the same thing happens with Fenris), he's telling me not to "offer something I've already given elsewhere" or something to that effect. However, if I'm involved with one of the ladies, he doesn't seem to recognize the relationship as a threat, at least in the "Princess of Starkhaven" version, and he still tries to sweep my Hawke off her feet, unsuccessfully of course. 

 

Who here has given Choir Boy a chance in the romance department? What are your reasons for romancing him? Is it better to go for the "Chaste Marriage" or the "Princess of Starkhaven" version? Does his romance feel at all fulfilling or have any closure? Do your companions comment on it?

[kalasaurus]

I have.  My Hawke got engaged to him on the Rivalry path, while she was romancing Isabela on the side.  The fact that she also was a blood mage was the icing on the cake.

 

I spared Anders on that playthrough, though, so the engagement ended and she ran off with Isabela.

 

I think Sebastian's the only attractive male love interest in DA2 and I *love*  his accent.  I didn't find his romance to be particularly fulfilling, though.  It just consisted of making awkward sexual passes at him while he blushes for several years, which makes the idea of the chaste marriage he proposes even odder

[Isaidlunch]

It's not fulfilling and has no closure at all. Even if you marry him, his dialogue during the endgame goodbye makes it sound like he's going to drop Hawke like a hot potato. The only reasons I romanced him was because it allows for some interesting roleplaying for Hawke and out of curiosity - if you're doing it for the romance content, prepare to be extremely disappointed.

[HK-90210]

I romanced him once as a rival, once as a friend.

 

The rivalmancer was straight(so no to Izzy and Merril), not into elves or dwarves (no matter how much she liked Fenris and Varric personally) and anti-demon(So, no to Anders). This left her with only one man by her side during most of her time in Kirkwall. She was also just as chaste and devout as Sebastian, and has no intention of more than kisses on the cheek before being lawfully wed. So she understood and appreciated that Sebastian was not going to jump in the sack with her, and that only made him that much more attractive in her mind.

 

Her epilogue is mostly a headcanon, one with the vicountess of Kirkwall helping the last of the Vaels reclaim his family's lands and forming the strongest alliance the Free Marches has ever seen. The only issue? Which last name their children get. That Hawke was pretty traditional, so she'd probably let them have Sebastian's family name. But she's going to expect something from Seb in return .

 

As for the Hawke who went with a chaste marriage, she's a mage who never wants kids, since they could easily inherit her magic, something she doesn't wish on any child. So Sebastian's chaste marriage was a dream come true for her. It brought the companionship of a good man, was a great joy to her life and his. It's just a sexless one, and given that she's pretty 'meh' on sex to begin with, that's ok in her mind. Her happiness in relationships does not in any way revolve around sex. Of course, that may change after the end of the game, since her whole internal arc was coming to terms with her being a mage, and what that means. She had to get past the idea that being born the way she was wasn't a mistake, it didn't make her unworthy, nor did it mean she wasn't made exactly the way the Maker intended. And Sebastian was key to her learning that.

 

Once way I might go in that headcanon, Hawke and Sebastian give in to loneliness one night after they go on the run, and everyone else has left their side. They lay around afterwards, disillusioned and confused, wondering if they've made a mistake or not.

[Melbella]

I just started a new game with femHawke and plan to rivalmance Sebastian this time around. I've romanced everyone else at least once so he's the only one left. I also still need the "help the Templars 5 times" achievement, so I figure the two sort of go together. I plan for Hawke to become more and more anti-mage/pro-Templar over the years, until she finally snaps and agrees to help Meredith annul the Circle. Anders will die of course. I just need to not flirt with Fenris and I should be fine.....easier said than done!

[MWImexico]

In my last DA2 playthrough, my "diplomatic" mage flirted with Fenris, Isabela (and maybe others, I forgot), had sex with Zevran (Seb was in the party) and, nevertheless, Sebastian proposed her the chaste marriage O_o

I can be wrong but I think that's something he propose only if no vanilia romance is (truly) started in act2 so, despite the flirts, the game consider Hawke as being in love/relationship with no one in act3 (or because she didn't slept with Fenris/Isa/Anders or Merrill?).

In my point of vue, Sebastian's arc and romance weren't over / finished in the end of DA2... but maybe I think like that because I don't believe at all at his "chaste marriage" thing.

[kalasaurus]

In my last DA2 playthrough, my "diplomatic" mage flirted with Fenris, Isabela (and maybe others, I forgot), had sex with Zevran (Seb was in the party) and, nevertheless, Sebastian proposed her the chaste marriage O_o

I can be wrong but I think that's something he propose only if no vanilia romance is (truly) started in act2 so, despite the flirts, the game consider Hawke as being in love/relationship with no one in act3 (or because she didn't slept with Fenris/Isa/Anders or Merrill?).

In my point of vue, Sebastian's arc and romance weren't over / finished in the end of DA2... but maybe I think like that because I don't believe at all at his "chaste marriage" thing.

 

Sebastian proposed marriage (Rivalry) to my blood mage Hawke shortly after he watched her and Isabela march off for a threesome with Zevran .  I'm pretty sure she had "locked" the romance with Isabela too at that point, so Sebastian either doesn't care/didn't notice or I had a bug...

[Ellyria]

I'm not really a huge fan of the "real" romances in DA2 (Fenris is the only one I'm somewhat all right with), so I don't mind Sebastian's "romance", half-assed as it is. (He's also one of my favorite DA2 characters, so that helps).

 

 

In my point of vue, Sebastian's arc and romance weren't over / finished in the end of DA2... but maybe I think like that because I don't believe at all at his "chaste marriage" thing.

 

Jennifer Hepler said his story wasn't over in the Sebastian fan thread but then the Exalted March expansion got cancelled so I guess we'll never see its conclusion. 

[sylvanaerie]

My first playthrough I had intended to romance Fenris, but missed picking him up.  The quest starting his introduction seemed kind of shady and I was going into the game blind, so I made it to act 2 before i realized I had missed picking up someone.  

Anders was creepy and offputting and my girl wanted nothing to do with him and I had never done a Fem/Fem romance before, so by default Sebastian became her 'love interest'.  This playthrough was weird in that I lost most of my party, I had Aveline, Varric, Sebastian and Merrill by the end.  In the final battle with Meredith, Merrill joined me (she was the only one still with me who wasn't in my active group since I was a mage), and Templar Carver joined, but eventually to fill the empty slots that Isabela, Fenris and Anders would have if they had been with me, I got Nathaniel, Zevran and (I think) Aveline's husband.

[Jaison1986]

My first playthrough I had intended to romance Fenris, but missed picking him up.  The quest starting his introduction seemed kind of shady and I was going into the game blind, so I made it to act 2 before i realized I had missed picking up someone.  

Anders was creepy and offputting and my girl wanted nothing to do with him and I had never done a Fem/Fem romance before, so by default Sebastian became her 'love interest'.  This playthrough was weird in that I lost most of my party, I had Aveline, Varric, Sebastian and Merrill by the end.  In the final battle with Meredith, Merrill joined me (she was the only one still with me who wasn't in my active group since I was a mage), and Templar Carver joined, but eventually to fill the empty slots that Isabela, Fenris and Anders would have if they had been with me, I got Nathaniel, Zevran and (I think) Aveline's husband.

 

Sebastian rivalmance is probaly one the best romances in the entire game if you want your Hawke to keep their sanity (Friendmance chaste marriage sounds incredibly dull, Hawke is forced to stare at that piece of manhood her entire life without ever getting any of it), though Fenris is pretty forgiving too considering that unlike all other romances, his personal story doesn't involve an rampage that causes dozens of innocent deaths (though Merrill can be migtated to just one if you do everything right). 

 

I had a full party by the end game, so only Donnic appeared, it seems Zevran and Nathaniel only show up if you have few companions left by the end of the game.

[Akrabra]

Done both rivalmance and friendly romance. I like friendly romance the best because he is more down to earth and a gentleman. Also the marriage mention in Legacy made me grin and giggle. A chaste marriage in the eyes of the maker,yes, but my diplomat Hawke can talk the pants off anyone. 

 

Rivalmance makes me him more of the bad boy he described himself as earlier in the game, also he flirts alot with Bethany in the dlc's. Bothers me. 

 

PS: Love his accent.

[Xetykins]

Ive done one friendmance and...never again. Its probably not too bad if I did not like him ( his accent is just eargasmic as Alistair's). His is the most unsatisfying love affair ever. I can just imagine the relationship is that chased that instead of hugs, I get a pat on the head like a good dog.

[Jaison1986]

lol.. even as a male (who plays both genders of Hawke), I have to say this guy is probably the best straight romance option, if you don't like insane. He's the only guy I'd let near Hawke, I think. That or maybe Nathaniel, if he was in the game. Otherwise, I'd go with Isabela. Something about Rogues maybe. They're all pretty level headed. Although I'd have to say it makes more sense to me if Bethany hooked up with him. They seem fitting for each other.

 

I would go with Merrill for the female romance (on rivalry of course), When I think about Isabela, I remember she was not only willing to let an entire city to be destroyed just to save herself, but she also is willing to let an slaver walk away and continue his business if it means she can get her ship. Too many implications if you ask me. But at any rate, yes, Sebastian is probally one of the few (if not the only) sane and non problematic romance.

[Xetykins]

Yeah he is the best straight romance if you are a lamp post and not a hyper physical kind of person. As a straight female,how can I ever keep my hands on that manly goodness? I'd go mad raving bonkers. So I will save my sanity and stay away. Tho its kinda hard everytime he opens his mouth. Dat accent!

[congokong]

Never did it even though he's probably the most fitting match status wise being a prince and all while Hawke becomes even more important by the end-game IMO. Look at the alternatives.

 

1. An abomination

2. A maleficarum living in the alienage

3. An escaped slave elf living in a run-down mansion

4. A pirate ****

 

Compared to these Sebastian is the most normal I'd say. His chastity is not "strange" so much as it's a roadblock. The only way it could ever work in my mind is if you rivalmance him and arrange a marriage between the prince of Starkhaven and the Champion of Kirkwall. However, you never even see this royal wedding. Plus that's 6+ years of chastity.

[congokong]

I would go with Merrill for the female romance (on rivalry of course), When I think about Isabela, I remember she was not only willing to let an entire city to be destroyed just to save herself, but she also is willing to let an slaver walk away and continue his business if it means she can get her ship. Too many implications if you ask me. But at any rate, yes, Sebastian is probally one of the few (if not the only) sane and non problematic romance.

 

Yeah, on my "What actions can Hawke make that are truly evil" thread Isabela came up several times. She might have good inside her but she's overall a rotten person. She's just too damn selfish.

 

What makes the Merrill rivalmance so appealing? I haven't done it but I'm curious.

[Jaison1986]

Yeah, on my "What actions can Hawke make that are truly evil" thread Isabela came up several times. She might have good inside her but she's overall a rotten person. She's just too damn selfish.

 

What makes the Merrill rivalmance so appealing? I haven't done it but I'm curious.

 

In rivalry you confront Merrill about her use of blood magic and trusting of demons. Hawke pretty much tries to save Merrill from herself. For example, in the night terrors quest, choose the diplomatic line when the pride demons tries to persuade Merrill, were you say to her that demons can't be trusted. You gain wooping 20 rivalry for that. I just think she is messing with things she can't control, and she should give up on it before someone ends up dying, wich happens with Merrill clan if you are not careful.

[congokong]

In rivalry you confront Merrill about her use of blood magic and trusting of demons. Hawke pretty much tries to save Merrill from herself. For example, in the night terrors quest, choose the diplomatic line when the pride demons tries to persuade Merrill, were you say to her that demons can't be trusted. You gain wooping 20 rivalry for that. I just think she is messing with things she can't control, and she should give up on it before someone ends up dying, wich happens with Merrill clan if you are not careful.

I remember. My Merrill friendship took a 40 rivalry hit by bringing her along on that quest but I feel it's necessary for her character development. It brings home how she is playing with fire and isn't near as safe-guarded as she thinks. Her logic is weird. She gives 10 rivalry for being willing to make Feynriel tranquil as a last resort but actually gives 5 friendship for making a deal with Torpor?! What's going through her head? "Sacrificing Feynriel for power is pretty evil but at least Hawke is making deals with demons like I did."

 

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Both DA:O and DA:2 favored disapproval/rivalry. There isn't a single occurrence in the game where saying one line of dialogue gets 20 friendship that I'm aware of (not counting a line that accepts a quest), but there are a few cases where you can get 25 rivalry from 1 line. Ex: "He was a blood mage" as a non-mage with Merrill in the party during Act of Mercy or saying you seek "power" as a mage during Fenris' recruitment. In DA:O you can get nearly 60 disapproval by ordering Alistair to marry Anora.

[Gervaise]

I have romanced him once as a friend with a mage Hawke.   Like the poster above, I had her feeling that she wanted to avoid having kids because of the inheritance of magic issue.   Also she lost Carver in the Deep Roads and then her Mum so she sort of identified with him having lost all his family in the way he did.   In my mind I had them travelling to Val Royeaux to appeal for better conditions for mages whilst retaining the Circles, which actually tied in rather well with the way the Divine was portrayed in Asunder.   However, I was disappointed that he wasn't actually mentioned in the Epilogue, so according to Varric this lady Hawke was doomed to be alone.

 

I would have liked to have experienced the rival romance but unfortunately subsequent updates bugged my DLC so that I could never get past the Sister Nightingale quest.

 

I actually like the story arc best where Bethany survives and you take her along on Legacy and MoA because Sebastian is really sweet with her and she clearly fancies him and so in that version I have Bethany leaving with Sebastian at the end, may be to experience a chaste marriage, may be something more.   I like to hope it is the latter.