Adoption
Pfft. Damn aliens, they stealing our womenz. Go with Kaidan instead, at least he's human. Which actually makes me realise, that racism between humans will probably end if we ever meet aliens, the hate will be transferred over to the foreign species instead, and unlike hate towards other humans, hate towards other species will not be looked down upon, it will be the norm and accepted, probably even encouraged.
HUMANITY FIRST!
I can assure you, however, that as a fan his message was certainly not what I wanted to hear.
I understand that, but you must know there's a big difference in paraphrasing it as "we want to keep the core vision intact, but we'll make as many changes as we can besides that" and "deal with it."
Besides that, what the "turd" is will change from person to person. For example, I have no issue with the Catalyst or Crucible in theory. I wouldn't want either removed. But executing the concepts properly was beyond the scope of the ending, as was removing them. All that was left was trying to explain them more clearly (in which they sorta succeeded).
That would be enough for me to not buy the game and any future ME game.
Same my Shepard would be having Kaiden or Garrus babies thanks.
My point was that Liara ended the trilogy in a position to spawn a blue Sheplette regardless of Shep's agreement or willing participation. I am aware that it could be creepy, but it is an M rated game...
Pfft. Damn aliens, they stealing our womenz. Go with Kaidan instead, at least he's human. Which actually makes me realise, that racism between humans will probably end if we ever meet aliens, the hate will be transferred over to the foreign species instead, and unlike hate towards other humans, hate towards other species will not be looked down upon, it will be the norm and accepted, probably even encouraged.
HUMANITY FIRST!
I just realised that I have unintentionally derailed this thread regarding replays of ME3. I apologise and I'll return to lurking.
I just realised that I have unintentionally derailed this thread regarding replays of ME3. I apologise and I'll return to lurking.
And that "conclusive victory" was obviously supposed to be Synthesis.
But Bioware so badly misread their audience that I am left to wonder just how out of touch they've grown.
Wait... you're not seriously suggesting that Destroy isn't supposed to be a conclusive victory too, are you? Control I can see, even if that's mostly you projecting, but what's inconclusive about Destroy?
My point was that Liara ended the trilogy in a position to spawn a blue Sheplette regardless of Shep's agreement or willing participation. I am aware that it could be creepy, but it is an M rated game...
She can be killed on a low ems run(1750-1900).
Wait... you're not seriously suggesting that Destroy isn't supposed to be a conclusive victory too, are you? Control I can see, even if that's mostly you projecting, but what's inconclusive about Destroy?
In fairness, the red flavor is perhaps the most inconclusive of the three. Does Shepard live? Do the Geth really die? Are all the Reapers gone, or might some have survived if they were far enough from a relay? Did anyone survive on the Citadel? Is Earth toast?
Some of those were sort-of answered in the EC, but in the original there is a whole lot of guesswork involved. As I understand it, that was intentional--Mac wanted to leave people with the general sense that the civilization of the galaxy had been destroyed, figuratively nuked back to the stone age, leaving people to wonder how long it would take for a galaxy-spanning civilization to re-emerge and what it might look like.
With blue, you know at least who's in charge of the clean-up. If you can accept green, you're probably willing to take what you see in the game at face value and not really worry much about the rest. Red's the one that leaves you wondering.
She can be killed on a low ems run(1750-1900).
I did not know that. Where does she die?
I did not know that. Where does she die?
On the beam run if your EMS is low enough your party members will be injured by an exploding tank and then vaporized by Harbinger.
They've hand-waved worse resurrections.
I suspect that if she dies there and you go with the refuse ending, you still get her message in a bunker for future cycles, no?
As I understand it, that was intentional--Mac wanted to leave people with the general sense that the civilization of the galaxy had been destroyed, figuratively nuked back to the stone age, leaving people to wonder how long it would take for a galaxy-spanning civilization to re-emerge and what it might look like.
Yeah, but that was the state of much of the galaxy before the Crucible went off anyway.
They've hand-waved worse resurrections.
I suspect that if she dies there and you go with the refuse ending, you still get her message in a bunker for future cycles, no?
Yeah, but that was the state of much of the galaxy before the Crucible went off anyway.
Right, but blue gives you a path forward to rebuild, whereas red just makes a bigger mess. Until the EC, of course, which pretty much homogenised red and blue except for a few details.
She can be killed on a low ems run(1750-1900).
Yeah, but that's the equivalent of FailShep in ME2.
The thing is she did that way before the cycle fought harbinger.
That wasn't the impression I had, but you may be right.
That wasn't the impression I had, but you may be right.
Yeah, but that's the equivalent of FailShep in ME2.
The only differences from high ems is Shepard is dead, the two squadmates are dead and it takes longer to rebuild the galaxy.
Failshep would be having your ems below 1750 and picking destroy or picking refusal no matter what your ems is.
I suppose my point with regard to continuity is that ME4 needs to establish a few things:
Beyond that, all the details can be adjusted to fit the story of the new game and establish new plots and characters moving forward. Just like the way no one in the Grand Theft Auto series needs to go into the details of the American civil war, the events of the Reaper war will be common knowledge and therefore no one needs to remind you of them, unless it somehow directly impacts the plot.
The only differences from high ems is Shepard is dead, the two squadmates are dead and it takes longer to rebuild the galaxy.
Failshep would be having your ems below 1750 and picking destroy or picking refusal no matter what your ems is.
Ah, I thought the squadmates getting torched on the run went hand-in-hand with the mass destruction on Earth.
Didn't realize that that 150-point EMS gap delivered something slightly different.
Ah, I thought the squadmates getting torched on the run went hand-in-hand with the mass destruction on Earth.
Didn't realize that that 150-point EMS gap delivered something slightly different.
I should add that if your ems is below 1750 and you want to pick destroy you have to destroy the collector base in ME2. If you save the base, you only get the control ending
I should add that if your ems is below 1750 and you want to pick destroy you have to destroy the collector base in ME2. If you save the base, you only get the control ending
Right, I did know that.
I was only considering post-EC. But I still don't understand how anyone ever thought Earth was toast. We see the Citadel Relay blow and it doesn't even destroy the Citadel, let alone Earth.In fairness, the red flavor is perhaps the most inconclusive of the three. Does Shepard live? Do the Geth really die? Are all the Reapers gone, or might some have survived if they were far enough from a relay? Did anyone survive on the Citadel? Is Earth toast?
Some of those were sort-of answered in the EC, but in the original there is a whole lot of guesswork involved. As I understand it, that was intentional--Mac wanted to leave people with the general sense that the civilization of the galaxy had been destroyed, figuratively nuked back to the stone age, leaving people to wonder how long it would take for a galaxy-spanning civilization to re-emerge and what it might look like.
With blue, you know at least who's in charge of the clean-up. If you can accept green, you're probably willing to take what you see in the game at face value and not really worry much about the rest. Red's the one that leaves you wondering.
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