Well, maybe you can count territory and war success? Unless the lore has surprising material hidden, Orlais is at its smallest extension since Drakon died.
Well, yeah but Orlais hasn't lost any territory under Celene. I think she was known stopping it's decline and excess.
Well, yeah but Orlais hasn't lost any territory under Celene. I think she was known stopping it's decline and excess.
That's an overlooked part of Celene's rule. Let's hope there's an option to point it out to Gaspard in DA:I.
Celene hasn't lost any more territory (yet), but she hasn't reversed her predecessors losses either. She's also content to let the Chantry managed the Mage-Templar affairs in her borders, even if it means standing by while rogue armies mobilize and march.
You don't even have to be an imperialist to agree with Gaspard that Orlais should have taken a more active roll in the mage-templar rebellion within its own borders.
Celene hasn't lost any more territory (yet), but she hasn't reversed her predecessors losses either. She's also content to let the Chantry managed the Mage-Templar affairs in her borders, even if it means standing by while rogue armies mobilize and march.
You don't even have to be an imperialist to agree with Gaspard that Orlais should have taken a more active roll in the mage-templar rebellion within its own borders.
Separation of church and state. We all saw what happened when the Chantry, though to be more accurate the Templar Order, involved itself in Kirkwall's affairs.
Orlais' involvement should start and end in ensuring her citizens are safe from the crossfire of the Mage-Templar conflict.
Separation of church and state. We all saw what happened when the Chantry, though to be more accurate the Templar Order, involved itself in Kirkwall's affairs.
Orlais' involvement should start and end in ensuring her citizens are safe from the crossfire of the Mage-Templar conflict.
A good way to do that would not be allowing a Mage-Templar conflict to be conducted on Orlesian lands, wouldn't you agree?
Celene's strategy for ensuring the safety of the Orlais citizenry is to hope that the Chantry will prevent the sides from fighting. It's a question that begs the question of the Chantry and what army enforcing this, since the Chantry's own army happens to be one of the mobilizing beligerants.
Honestly i doubt I could support any of the factions. Wish there was a "none of the above" choice
A good way to do that would not be allowing a Mage-Templar conflict to be conducted on Orlesian lands, wouldn't you agree?
Celene's strategy for ensuring the safety of the Orlais citizenry is to hope that the Chantry will prevent the sides from fighting. It's a question that begs the question of the Chantry and what army enforcing this, since the Chantry's own army happens to be one of the mobilizing beligerants.
Remember that TME happens before Asunder. The party at the beginning of Asunder was to give the Divine a chance to call for peace. The assassination attempt derailed it. My theory is that someone knew of the plan and plotted to stop it.
As for the enforcers, the answer is very clear: the Seekers. In fact, that's what happens in Asunder: after the assassination attempt, power was given to the Seekers to take control of the White Spire, since neither mages nor templars (that last point tends to be overlooked) were to be trusted. Of course, Lord Seeker Lambert ended up having his own ideas. But until that point, the Seekers were supposed to be the most loyal supporters of the Divine. It was a dramatic miscalculation, that's for sure.
A good way to do that would not be allowing a Mage-Templar conflict to be conducted on Orlesian lands, wouldn't you agree?
Celene's strategy for ensuring the safety of the Orlais citizenry is to hope that the Chantry will prevent the sides from fighting. It's a question that begs the question of the Chantry and what army enforcing this, since the Chantry's own army happens to be one of the mobilizing beligerants.
Unless they can afford to find every single member of both sides, throw them out, then have every square inch of their borders secured so those sides can't get in, that is not possible. And even if it was, it would bankrupt the nation thus still ruin it.
Some of the Chantry's army are the beligerants. We have no idea what percentage of Templars and Seekers broke away with Lambert or stayed loyal to Justinia. And as I said, as long as the Orlesian military can ensure the safety of the Orlesian people, Orlais is doing enough. The Mages and Templars can duke it out in whatever field or canyon they want for all Orlais cares.
If you consider only the last part of the last book, Celene should get the least of the votes. While Gaspard is at least a man of honor, she is a lying and manipulating ******.
Briala is the female counterpart of Cole. A throat-slitting rogue as ruler isn't the best choice.
My female rogue Qunari will call makeover and Vivienne will make a montage of Gaspard and Celene in different clothing with a nod of disapproval until they have the perfect outfits in which I will give them the thumbs up.
I guess where this is going is I want another marriage if possible
If you consider only the last part of the last book, Celene should get the least of the votes. While Gaspard is at least a man of honor, she is a lying and manipulating ******.
Briala is the female counterpart of Cole. A throat-slitting rogue as ruler isn't the best choice.
Gaspard is also a warmonger. And has nobody's best interests in heart except for him and his murdering, raping lackeys. 
Unless they can afford to find every single member of both sides, throw them out, then have every square inch of their borders secured so those sides can't get in, that is not possible. And even if it was, it would bankrupt the nation thus still ruin it.
Why do something so impractical and absurd, when more effective (and cheaper) alternatives exist?
Some of the Chantry's army are the beligerants. We have no idea what percentage of Templars and Seekers broke away with Lambert or stayed loyal to Justinia. And as I said, as long as the Orlesian military can ensure the safety of the Orlesian people, Orlais is doing enough. The Mages and Templars can duke it out in whatever field or canyon they want for all Orlais cares.
If we ignore that magical effects and consequences can easily escape the field or canyons... and that relying on the Mages and Templars to simply duke it out away from population centers without the means to enforce that is wishful thinking.
Why do something so impractical and absurd, when more effective (and cheaper) alternatives exist?
If we ignore that magical effects and consequences can easily escape the field or canyons... and that relying on the Mages and Templars to simply duke it out away from population centers without the means to enforce that is wishful thinking.
Please share these effective alternatives to getting two armies out of your nation then.
As I said, Orlais' military will be deployed to keep Mages and Templars out.
Gaspard is also a warmonger. And has nobody's best interests in heart except for him and his murdering, raping lackeys.
As opposed to Celene, who is... not murderous or rapeful herself? And employs no one who rapes, or murders, or both?
I mean, I suppose you could say what she did to and with Briala was consensual, but that would be stretching it quite a bit. And while Briala herself is not a rapist, she certainly is a murderer.
Well, I suppose I should take that back: she's a professional, so it would be an assassin.
Please share these effective alternatives to getting two armies out of your nation then.
As I said, Orlais' military will be deployed to keep Mages and Templars out.
Certainly: don't focus on keeping two armies out. Focus on keeping two factions apart. Peace keepers do this across the world at far less cost than it would be to bankrupt the nation.
If you really wanted to be clever, you could work to isolate and encircle them. The mages would be easier- if they stay together they're few in number, and if they scatter they'd no longer be an army.
The Imperialist War Mongerer vs The Elf Killing Spy Queen.
This Dragon Age only in Orlais.
Be there! 
I could make the situation seem even more hopeless and macabre, but I don't want people to lose sight of the hope of a world worth saving.
I could make the situation seem even more hopeless and macabre, but I don't want people to lose sight of the hope of a world worth saving.
Leaving the Grimdark to Warhammer then?
Leaving the Grimdark to Warhammer then?
Oh, heavens no. I just have a talent of corrupting the hopes of people and dashing their dreams. With such great power comes modest responsibility.
Plus, I feel there are too many people who just want to burn Orlaise to the ground and be done with it. That, or install themselves/their Inquisitor as the absolute ruler of Orlais to rule it to their whims. Both would be disastrous, and both are boring to argue against.
If you consider only the last part of the last book, Celene should get the least of the votes. While Gaspard is at least a man of honor, she is a lying and manipulating ******.
Briala is the female counterpart of Cole. A throat-slitting rogue as ruler isn't the best choice.
If the Elves were successful, it would just be history repeating itself again, just like the first Exalted March. Maybe not within the dragon age, but eventually tension will rise again between humans in general and the Elves.
Leaving the Grimdark to Warhammer then?
Besides the moron trying to use honor against the Warden in the back alley.
He wasn't a Chevalier, he was Ferelden.
I could make the situation seem even more hopeless and macabre, but I don't want people to lose sight of the hope of a world worth saving.
People still have hope?
People still have hope?
What's hope?
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