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[Al Foley]

Yes, lots of trailers: Gameplay Trailers, Story trailer, Character Customization trailer, Character Customizaton demo(at least 10 minutes), Companion trailers. Also, posters in LA.

Honestly I want/ sort of expecting to start seeing Character trailers after they do all the stuff they are doing with the environment stuff.   Trailers and profiles for each of the nine companions and 3 advisers.  With their voice, explaining about them and stuff and showing off their abilities and personality.  That is really what I want...though the other stuff will be good too. I suppose Character customization would be next and then Story trailer on my list of priority.  I think we know all we need to about the story.

[xnode]

My money will go to the Witcher 3, Evolve, Warhammer 40k EC and so much time spent in the already bought Wasteland2 and Pillars of Eternity, all of which will suck more time out of me then father time using speed dial. If the reviews go well for DA3 I will definitely get it, It does "look" awesome but past history is a lesson learned by anything related to EA and Bioware at this point. Maybe this is the game that turns all that around ,but I won't be one of the people testing that, after DA2 and SimCity, it's lesson learned, sorry. Thou as now I will continue to visit the forums, see any info released and make my judgment, it would take some HUGE pre-order offer to even make me consider at this point, what would be huge? hell I don't know, something I never thought could happen in a pre-order?

[Kira_Sadi]

I like that the game is released the 7 as my birthday is the 15... pulse I will only be getting DA:I so there will be no problem for me ^.^

[Al Foley]

You know DA I is the only game I am super confident in this year.  Never played an AC game before but the franchise does look good, Destiny is an online game and those are always problematic for me despite how 'good' it looks, never played any of the Arkham games and can't say I have an over abundance of interest.  DA I is probably going to be the only thing at this point which makes me go to the next generation to.  Sure there are good games out there and some games that have caught my eye but DA I seems to tower over the rest like the monolith in 2001. 

[Elhanan]

Personally, this will not be a problem; am somewhat focused on solo RPG's, and not many other types of games at all. My problem is how to make October get here a bit faster now that the date has been named. For most things, it speeds by quickly now, but this is worse than the holidays for me, as I actually enjoy the games....

 

[JerZey CJ]

Nope, they are timing it perfectly for I am pretty sure a lot of the people that are going to be buying the other games probably don't have that much interest in Dragon Age: Inquisition to begin with.  Next thing I am going to hear is because they are releasing a "Super-Hero Movie" they shouldn't have any other movies opening that weekend for people that aren't interested in that genre.

 

People are going to moan and complain and use issues from the past to show "BioWare failed me" because the cool thing is to bash BioWare because they are part of EA. For if people really wanted to bash BioWare they should use Jade Empire as part of their strategy in the string of bad BioWare games.

Sanunes, you're drunk. Go home.

[gangly369]

I wasn't asking the devs, I was asking you guys. But I'm sure you knew that right? Also I am relaxed, the game is 5 months away, so all I have right now is to speculate and discuss the game. 

So, you're trying to get a discussion about how well a game will do from fans who have little to no access to sales figures, no idea what Bioware's targets are, or what Bioware's marketing strategy ultimately is?

 

I reiterate my statement: this is an unnecessary thread which propagates fan's anxiety over how well a game will do for absolutely no reason. There are a number of other ways in which you can get a good discussion of the game. This certainly isn't one of them

[Kage]

It is always baffling to read what fans think about game sales and economics.

 

True, much of it is driven by access to incomplete sales figures, but even the conclusions based on those figures is... sketchy at best. Generally they'll say whatever the one interpreting them wants them to say. Which is the way of figures, I suppose.

 

Fans just cannot be objective.

They feel betrayed by Dragon Age 2, and they think it will sink Bioware. They got in love with Dragon Age Origins, and think it was a huge success just for it.

They love the PC, and they think the modern controls to be console-friendly are killing the system.

etc

 

Myself included of course.

 

That's why we need people whose job is just to make the business go well, even if they do not know how to turn on the playstation lol

[Jsixgun]

Fans just cannot be objective.

They feel betrayed by Dragon Age 2, and they think it will sink Bioware. They got in love with Dragon Age Origins, and think it was a huge success just for it.

They love the PC, and they think the modern controls to be console-friendly are killing the system.

etc

 

Myself included of course.

 

That's why we need people whose job is just to make the business go well, even if they do not know how to turn on the playstation lol

 

To be honest, I don't think Gaider's opinion on economics would be noteworthy either. He is a writer. it is just as likely as not that 'a fan' would have a higher working knowledge on the principles of economics as he would. The gaming industry does not operate under economic principles other industries don't. The market is different but not the market principles. I don't know, I just thought his remark seemed somewhat base. 

[AlanC9]

Fans just cannot be objective.

They feel betrayed by Dragon Age 2, and they think it will sink Bioware. They got in love with Dragon Age Origins, and think it was a huge success just for it.

They love the PC, and they think the modern controls to be console-friendly are killing the system.

etc

 

Myself included of course.

 

That's why we need people whose job is just to make the business go well, even if they do not know how to turn on the playstation lol

 

 

That's an odd definition of "fan." It excludes an awful lot of us.

[AlanC9]

To be honest, I don't think Gaider's opinion on economics would be noteworthy either. He is a writer. it is just as likely as not that 'a fan' would have a higher working knowledge on the principles of economics as he would. The gaming industry does not operate under economic principles other industries don't. The market is different but not the market principles. I don't know, I just thought his remark seemed somewhat base. 

 

Saying that posters will interpret limited data in whatever way supports their preconceived notions? That's just... kinda true, isn't it? I see that all the time here.

[Jsixgun]

Saying that posters will interpret limited data in whatever way supports their preconceived notions? That's just... kinda true, isn't it? I see that all the time here.

No that's absolutely true. Tell me a point you want proven and I can find a study that proves it. Tell me a narrative and I can tell you the numbers lead to it. So he is right on that.

It was the first part, "It's always baffling to read what fans think of game sales and economics" part I was alluding to. Gave me the impression he was saying he was baffleled by our ignorance on the subject. Maybe that's not what he was saying? Seemed like it to me, and if so I thought it was pretty absurd.

[Sanunes]

No that's absolutely true. Tell me a point you want proven and I can find a study that proves it. Tell me a narrative and I can tell you the numbers lead to it. So he is right on that.

It was the first part, "It's always baffling to read what fans think of game sales and economics" part I was alluding to. Gave me the impression he was saying he was baffleled by our ignorance on the subject. Maybe that's not what he was saying? Seemed like it to me, and if so I thought it was pretty absurd.

 

I took his comment to be aimed at the thread and not an individual.

[In Exile]

I  think more people would consider Arkham Knight an awesome game than DAI. Rocksteady has a stellar trackrecord so far, with both Asylum and City being lauded to high heavens by both press and users, while Biowares rep unfortunately took a hit with DAII and ME3, even if I personally loved both those games.

 

I just can't see how these Batman games would draw in the same audience. Their different in tone, story-structure, story interaction, character customization, gameplay.... there's basically nothing in common between them. Arkham Knight really only seems to be an issue for fans of both genres who will not buy two videogames in one month. 

[LinksOcarina]

I just can't see how these Batman games would draw in the same audience. Their different in tone, story-structure, story interaction, character customization, gameplay.... there's basically nothing in common between them. Arkham Knight really only seems to be an issue for fans of both genres who will not buy two videogames in one month. 

 

There is some cross-play between genres of games, and yes, some people buy two games, or more, in a month. When I was young and stupid I picked up in excess of 15 or so, all of which were either used or pre-ordered. 

 

It is not unheard of, to say the least.

[Bfler]

It didn't. It sold 1.5 million copies across the franchise in 2011. DA2 sold over two million units in a couple of months alone.

 

That was because most people enjoyed DA:O and thought, that DA2 would be also such a good game. If DA2 would have been the first game of the franchise, I guess, there wouldn't be a DA:I now.

[Maraas]

That was because most people enjoyed DA:O and thought, that DA2 would be also such a good game. If DA2 would have been the first game of the franchise, I guess, there wouldn't be a DA:I now.

Those people who cared about DAO had every opportunity to do their research. And indeed they did! They've watched gameplay video, they've played a demo and they've made their decision. Guess there were more of them who didn't mind the changes than you care to admit.

[Deflagratio]

Those people who cared about DAO had every opportunity to do their research. And indeed they did! They've watched gameplay video, they've played a demo and they've made their decision. Guess there were more of them who didn't mind the changes than you care to admit.

 

 

That's exactly what I did. I loved DA:O and when I heard DA2 was due out I got super excited. Then like a responsible consumer I did my research, and I knew it just wasn't for me.

 

Honestly, I knew DA2 wasn't for me from the first batch of screenshots and that trailer with the Arishok and the whole staff/blade weird thing all JRPG'd out and overly dramatic with the whole bloody facepaint hand thing.

 

I've got the exact opposite impression from DA:I, and while I was pretty underwhelmed by the E3 debut trailer, all the live gameplay stuff (Particularly Digiexpo/PAX) inspired confidence in a game I've not had since... Hell, I don't even think I was this confident when Skyrim was debuted in earnest.

[Bfler]

Those people who cared about DAO had every opportunity to do their research. And indeed they did! They've watched gameplay video, they've played a demo and they've made their decision. Guess there were more of them who didn't mind the changes than you care to admit.

 

Aah, I guess that's why DA2 has one of the worst ratings of AAA RPG games in the last years and why most of the forums about DA are full of posts like "DA:O is good, DA2 is shi.. ". And you can also see there, that most people didn't watch videos or play the demo. They bought DA2 because of DA:O.

[Maraas]

most people didn't watch videos or play the demo. They bought DA2 because of DA:O.

Some of those people who enjoyed DAO and bought DA2 sight unseen would be the ones rating it one of ten and complaining on forums. And let me tell you even one thousand of angry buyers could make a lot of noise. And there could easily be one hundred thousand of them, for all we know. But I don't think that all of them or even most of them bought the game without doing any research. 

 

And if this were the case, well, I'd say those people weren't very bright, so their criticism is irrelevant anyway.

[Mathias]

So, you're trying to get a discussion about how well a game will do from fans who have little to no access to sales figures, no idea what Bioware's targets are, or what Bioware's marketing strategy ultimately is?

 

I reiterate my statement: this is an unnecessary thread which propagates fan's anxiety over how well a game will do for absolutely no reason. There are a number of other ways in which you can get a good discussion of the game. This certainly isn't one of them

 

And yet we're 10 pages into it. If you don't like it, then go lurk in another thread that meets your expectations for what qualifies as a "good discussion". 

[phantomrachie]

Just because they are LOTRO games does not mean they have anything in common as far as gameplay elements go. There are a lot of new things in Shadows of Mordor I've never seen before. 

 

Exactly, they follow a format, someone even broke it down into a chart. The characters and settings change, but its still the same formula they have had since KOTOR. I'd say ME3 was worse than ME2 and DA2 was worse than DA:O so I'm not so sure about improvements. 

 

No but my experiences with LOTR games tells me that there is still a high possibility of it either butchering the lore or using the LOTR franchise as an excuse to have terrible gameplay. This is definitely a wait and see game for me.

 

As for Bioware, they have a format so what? Technically this is the same format they have been refining since Baldur's Gate. With each game they learn something new and add to it, so while you may not like ME3 or DA2 that doesn't mean they haven't been making refinements to this format with each game they release, just that you didn't like the changes they made in those two games.

 

ME3 still stands as one of the few games that has made me cry so that is an achievement and an improvement on their format.

 

All game series or game developers have a format, infact all media developers have a format, by your logic after a developer creates their first game they never make a new game again.

[Nohvarr]

Some of those people who enjoyed DAO and bought DA2 sight unseen would be the ones rating it one of ten and complaining on forums. And let me tell you even one thousand of angry buyers could make a lot of noise. And there could easily be one hundred thousand of them, for all we know. But I don't think that all of them or even most of them bought the game without doing any research. 

 

And if this were the case, well, I'd say those people weren't very bright, so their criticism is irrelevant anyway.

Just to add, when DAO first came out, someone came onto the forum and started a thread blasting Bioware for it's lack of multiplayer in the game. The poster claimed to have bought four copies specifically because he thought it had a multiplayer component (something like in Baldur's Gate 2 perhaps) which he claimed to have seen when the game was first announced some five years previous. I never had any sympathy for that poster, because he failed to do the research. Heck he failed to even read the back of the box. Honestly if you are just going to blindly buy a game like that don't expect much in the way of compassion from me.

[AkiKishi]

No but my experiences with LOTR games tells me that there is still a high possibility of it either butchering the lore or using the LOTR franchise as an excuse to have terrible gameplay. This is definitely a wait and see game for me.

 

As for Bioware, they have a format so what? Technically this is the same format they have been refining since Baldur's Gate. With each game they learn something new and add to it, so while you may not like ME3 or DA2 that doesn't mean they haven't been making refinements to this format with each game they release, just that you didn't like the changes they made in those two games.

 

ME3 still stands as one of the few games that has made me cry so that is an achievement and an improvement on their format.

 

All game series or game developers have a format, infact all media developers have a format, by your logic after a developer creates their first game they never make a new game again.

 

I'd be interested in Shadows of Mordor if it had nothing to do with LOTRO, but it slots everything together nicely. 

 

I've seen it go down hill, why would I be exited for it ?I'll wait and until its either down in price after a couple of weeks, or if its really bad just not bother. I very much enjoyed ME2 and ME3 at least until getting back to Earth at which point it fell appart. Not sure what was in the game that could make you cry. 

 

Yes and if I get to a point where I don't look forward to that format, then I don't buy the game. Shadows of Mordor is new, if it turns out to suck, then I won't be pre-ordering the second one

 

[Bfler]

No but my experiences with LOTR games tells me that there is still a high possibility of it either butchering the lore or using the LOTR franchise as an excuse to have terrible gameplay. This is definitely a wait and see game for me.

 

Battle for Middle Earth 1 and 2 still belong to the best RTS games. And LotR online was also far away from a bad game.