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[AppealToReason]

They were originally going to be closer together (Both were slated for Fall 2014) for a release until CDPR delayed The Witcher.

 

I really don't know if people really rate The Witcher much higher, for the people I know about The Witcher complain about aspects of the game too, just like people do with BioWare games.

 

All I know about the Witcher is that people think its "darker" and more "mature" which I've come to learn is because you kill stuff for darkness and boobs and soft core porn for maturity.

[Bizantura]

Today, I can't find a game to play and stuck with my old RPG's I allready own.  I'm tired of playing them there is only so much replay possible.  Couldn't care less about the other games because I don't play action RPG's and games that are not RPG's.

[BigEvil]

I've never understood the mentality that you can only buy one game or that you can only like one sort of game and hate everything else. Certainly I can understand not having the money to afford more than one game at a time, it's generally how I've gone through much of my gaming life. But the idea that it's some sort of unwritten rule that people only like one RPG or one genre of games and nobody buying DA:I will be buying anything other than it or another RPG? Don't get it.

 

I like several different RPG series, and different styles of RPG. Maybe I'm really strange and a minority in that regard, but I enjoy party-based RPGs and open world RPGs and I've enjoyed some JRPGs as much as WRPGs. Of course I like some more than others and have preferences, but it's not an either or situation for me. I'm capable of enjoying lots of different things when money and time allows.

 

Since I've pre-ordered the Inquisitor's edition I'm not going to be buying anything else at the time. Doesn't mean I wouldn't if I had the money to.

 

Personally I'm looking forward to Arkham Knight, but since I'll be getting it on PC (and had problems with Arkham City on PC when I pre-ordered it), I'll be waiting for some time for patches before buying, perhaps even waiting to see if there'll be some sort of GOTY version with the DLC bundled together. I'm also interested in Alien: Isolation, particularly since my favourite author (Dan Abnett) is writing for it, although I'll once again be waiting due to needing to save money and I'm not particularly good at the run and hide style of horror games. And I'm planning on picking up Shadow of Mordor because it looks fun and the stuff they've got going on with the hierarchy of the orcs looks interesting. I love LOTR, read the books about nine times now, but I've never held them as sacrosanct. I'm sure I've read that Tolkien wanted other people to add to Middle-Earth, but a lot of fans seem to think it's blasphemy to even try. But I'll be waiting because I can't afford to buy it at launch alongside DA:I.

 

Are any of these games competition for DA:I? In the sense that not everyone can afford all the games they might want and will have to choose, I suppose so. But competing for customers money doesn't mean the games have to be the same sort of games, the same genre, or even similar games. They're a product among lots of other products. Films, comics and books compete for my money alongside games, because they're all forms of entertainment I'm interested in. It doesn't mean they have to be comparable in any way.

 

And now I'll stop rambling and go eat dinner.

[Shark17676]

Also, I feel obligated to point out that "Dislike" for Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 comes from a small vocal group, easily less than 0.01% of the people who bought it. To the rest, those games are above-average to Excellent titles that successfully carry the franchise forward.

 

Your derriere isn't exactly the most reliable source for statistics.

[AkiKishi]

Wait, are you saying another in a series of LOTR games & a Star Wars game are "new" and the worlds Bioware created for Mass Effect and Dragon Age are "old"?

 

I know that Bioware have a format that they follow, but they have evolved within that format, adding new ideas that keep their games fresh and interesting. Sometimes these new ideas don't hit the mark but they try to improve their games from one to the other beyond mere graphics.

 

As much as I liked KOTOR, I prefer games that create their own universe and lore rather than reuse universes that come from novels or films.

 

Wait, are you saying another in a series of LOTR games & a Star Wars game are "new" and the worlds Bioware created for Mass Effect and Dragon Age are "old"?

 

I know that Bioware have a format that they follow, but they have evolved within that format, adding new ideas that keep their games fresh and interesting. Sometimes these new ideas don't hit the mark but they try to improve their games from one to the other beyond mere graphics.

 

As much as I liked KOTOR, I prefer games that create their own universe and lore rather than reuse universes that come from novels or films.

 

Just because they are LOTRO games does not mean they have anything in common as far as gameplay elements go. There are a lot of new things in Shadows of Mordor I've never seen before. 

 

Exactly, they follow a format, someone even broke it down into a chart. The characters and settings change, but its still the same formula they have had since KOTOR. I'd say ME3 was worse than ME2 and DA2 was worse than DA:O so I'm not so sure about improvements. 

[Shark17676]

we got Alien: Isolation, LoTR: Shadows of Mordor, and Drive Club being released that same day.

 

Those titles really strike terror into the heart of Bioware, let me tell you. 

[David Gaider]

It is always baffling to read what fans think about game sales and economics.

 

True, much of it is driven by access to incomplete sales figures, but even the conclusions based on those figures is... sketchy at best. Generally they'll say whatever the one interpreting them wants them to say. Which is the way of figures, I suppose.

[Abraham_uk]

Sales figures tells you one thing.

How well a game sold.

Nothing else.

 

 

It is not an indicator of how good or how popular a game is.

Just how well the game sold.

[Fast Jimmy]

It is always baffling to read what fans think about game sales and economics.

True, much of it is driven by access to incomplete sales figures, but even the conclusions based on those figures is... sketchy at best. Generally they'll say whatever the one interpreting them wants them to say. Which is the way of figures, I suppose.

Still... anyone in the gaming industry must acknowledge that the timing of a release is crucial.

A clip from EA's SEC 10-K filing last week:

"Our business is highly seasonal with the highest levels of consumer demand and a significant percentage of our sales occurring in the quarter ending in December and a seasonal low in sales volume in the quarter ending in June. While our sales generally follow this seasonal trend, there can be no assurance that this trend will continue. If we miss key selling periods for products, for any reason, including product delays, product cancellations, or delayed introduction of a new platform for which we have developed products, our sales are likely to suffer significantly. Additionally, macroeconomic conditions or the occurrence of unforeseen events that negatively impact retailer or consumer buying patterns during the quarter ending in December are likely to affect us disproportionately. Our ability to meet product development schedules is affected by a number of factors both within and outside our control, including the creative processes involved, the coordination of large and sometimes geographically dispersed development teams, the increasing complexity of our products and the platforms for which they are developed, and the need to fine-tune our products prior to their release. We have experienced development delays for our products in the past, which caused us to push back or cancel release dates. We also seek to release certain products in conjunction with key events, such as the beginning of a sports season or major sporting event, or the release of a related movie. If a key event or sports season to which our product release schedule is tied were to be delayed or cancelled, our sales would likely suffer disproportionately. In the future, any failure to meet anticipated production or release schedules would likely result in a delay of revenue and/or possibly a significant shortfall in our revenue, increase our development and/or marketing expenses, harm our profitability, and cause our operating results to be materially different than anticipated."

So while I do think that the concerns the OP raised about the games which would have dubious overlap between DA's core demographic, the concept - that perhaps DA:I could have been scheduled for release at a poor time - is a valid thing to consider.

[ames4u]

Also, I feel obligated to point out that "Dislike" for Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3 comes from a small vocal group, easily less than 0.01% of the people who bought it. To the rest, those games are above-average to Excellent titles that successfully carry the franchise forward.

 

 

 

small vocal group
Still spreading that piece of misinformation I see.

[Maraas]

small vocal group
Still spreading that piece of misinformation I see.

Well, it's certainly vocal. And absolutely relentless. )) Some people just can't let go, it seems.

[AkiKishi]

Well, it's certainly vocal. And absolutely relentless. )) Some people just can't let go, it seems.

 

It was a big enough to story to go beyond the gaming press though. ME4 won't be a case of having to buy it to see how it ends either. Although you could have just played Deus Ex and got the same endings but better.

 

DA2 was so bad I don't think it could get worse. But it usually does.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Hardly. The real contender was delayed to next year.

This.

 

None of the games the OP mentions would even make for a comparison. Shadow of Mordor is a possible rival, but that still doesn't mean much.

 

The Witcher 3 was the only real contender, and it's been delayed into next year.

[Sanunes]

small vocal group
Still spreading that piece of misinformation I see.

 

As much as people want to say the majority of the people disliked those games, we really don't know what the real statistics are.  I can't say either group is in the minority or majority for there isn't any real proof out there for either conclusion.

[Kingthlayer]

I don't really see those games has competition for Dragon Age.  Batman is likely the only one of those that will put up good numbers.

 

It's already too late for BioWare to switch to a summer release, the only games coming out in summer are the sports games which have to come out prior to the season starting.

 

If Witcher was coming out around the same time, I can somewhat see concern, but even then not really, us RPGers are going to pick up both.  If I only have the money for one on release date I might have to make a choice, but you can bet your house on my next paycheque I'm going in for the other.

[AkiKishi]

This.

 

None of the games the OP mentions would even make for a comparison. Shadow of Mordor is a possible rival, but that still doesn't mean much.

 

The Witcher 3 was the only real contender, and it's been delayed into next year.

 

Bethesda have something coming out in the same window. It's not known what since it says E3 placeholder. 

 

That could well be more of a factor than anything in the OP.

[Wulfram]

Bethesda have something coming out in the same window. It's not known what since it says E3 placeholder. 

 

That could well be more of a factor than anything in the OP.

 

Battlecry?

[ghostzodd]

Well Witcher 3 was pushed back, so I think releasing it on the 7 of October  is good.

[AkiKishi]

I have no idea what I'm looking at and if its already known why a placeholder ? Or has it just come up or something?

 

What kind of game is it?

[Maraas]

DA2 was so bad I don't think it could get worse. But it usually does.

See? Relentless. ))

[Wulfram]

I have no idea what I'm looking at and if its already known why a placeholder ? Or has it just come up or something?

 

What kind of game is it?

 

It's just been announced today.  It's some kind of F2P PVP arena thing

[AkiKishi]

It's just been announced today.  It's some kind of F2P PVP arena thing

 

Could have been that, but it does not match the October sale date.Unless it was some sort of error. 

[DumSheeps]

It is always baffling to read what fans think about game sales and economics.

 

True, much of it is driven by access to incomplete sales figures, but even the conclusions based on those figures is... sketchy at best. Generally they'll say whatever the one interpreting them wants them to say. Which is the way of figures, I suppose.

The thing that always baffled me personally is how developers respond to nonsense threads like this one, instead of answering some simple questions fans have. I have waited since December 2013, maybe i should make  a pointless thread about sales or collectors edition to get attention.

[Fast Jimmy]

It's just been announced today. It's some kind of F2P PVP arena thing

INQUISITION BEWARE!!!

[AkiKishi]

INQUISITION BEWARE!!!

 

The trailer says beta 2015 so I don't think it's that.

 

Evil Within has been put back to October as well.