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[Thumb Fu]

Zazzerka if i could dislike i would sorry lol.

Language changes and evolves as words are used in different ways and context and meanings change, the english language is not the same now as it was 100 or 200 years ago, infact it is unrecognisable from what it was 300 years ago. It will be different again in 100 years, thats the wonderful thing about our bastard language, and it is a bastard language, we have words from every continent in use in our vocabulary, and we change and use those as we see fit, don't like it that english is changing and being used differently, then just get left behind and sulk whilst everybody enjoys this wonderful new world of words we live in .

[themikefest]

From what I've seen so far, it looks to be an excellent game.

[DragonRacer]

Well, I suppose the ultimate answer to the OP's question will depend on if one is an optimist or a pessimist.

 

Either way, I see a LOT of hyperbole flying around in this thread. It's rather like an airport.

[kalasaurus]

Zazzerka if i could dislike i would sorry lol.

Language changes and evolves as words are used in different ways and context and meanings change, the english language is not the same now as it was 100 or 200 years ago, infact it is unrecognisable from what it was 300 years ago. It will be different again in 100 years, thats the wonderful thing about our bastard language, and it is a bastard language, we have words from every continent in use in our vocabulary, and we change and use those as we see fit, don't like it that english is changing and being used differently, then just get left behind and sulk whilst everybody enjoys this wonderful new world of words we live in .

 

I was unsure if I wanted to get into that little "debate", but I would have basically said something like this.  Language isn't static; its purpose is to communicate and it will change through regions and time.  It's why we have American English, British English, etc.

[Althix]

but she still got the manjaw treatment

[byeshoe]

I like this one better. x]

[mikeymoonshine]

I really do believe that there are worse companies than bioware (and even EA) in the games industry and that there are far worse games than DA2 and ME3 being made today. 

 

DA2 and ME3 aren't even bad games they just had some huge flaws (especially da2) I actually really enjoyed both games and I am happy bioware made them. 

 

As far as I know they said they were talking some inspiration from Skyrim, I assume that is about exploration and discovery seeing as they aren't going for fully open world or watering down the story aspect. I haven't heard anything from the devs about COD. 

 

The pre-order bonuses really aren't anything that important and you could have researched this. 

 

The use of terms like "lgbt agenda" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's like calling the promotion of a view you disagree with "propaganda", technically correct but meaningless and only used to make that view look bad. The word agenda is generally used negatively although it doesn't actually mean anything negative. secret agenda, hidden agenda, nasty agenda ect are just more common uses of the word. I am pretty sure that you people know this and that is why you say it. There is no other reason to say it because it is a completely meaningless thing to say otherwise. 

I also don't think bioware is trying to appeal to lgbt people just so they can escape criticism. I have yet to hear of a bioware employee labeling a bad review as racist or homophobic and I doubt they would unless it actually contained something racist or homophobic. 

 

As for gameplay, again you could have researched, we have seen quite a bit of gameplay and I am sure we will see more soon. 

 

That one age old Leliana example, really? They set up the keep and have already made a few promises about the importance of previous choices, we won't know until the game is out but I don't think you can say choices will mean nothing based on that. You had the option to kill Leliana but she didn't die, the "resurrection" already was referenced in DA2 and It probably will be in this game. The beheading thing was unfortunate but that was just a game mechanic. 

 

This thread is very negative and unfair in many ways so I am betting you wont enjoy the game even if it is actually good. Nobody here can tell you if it will be good or not though, all we can do is correct the bs in your post. 

[Althix]

I like this one better. x]

my wife would like it, but its too soft for me.

[General TSAR]

Unlikely.

[ClassicBox]

Too many things. But no, I don't think it will turn out good. I think it will turn out to be AMAZING. It's a preference of opinion thing, but everything I've seen and heard looks stunning and intriguing. 

 

In quick reply to things;

 

I have no idea how playing Skyrim or Call of Duty make you casual or a dudebro to begin with, so I'm not sure how to answer this.

 

There is a whole response to cut content that I'll have to dig up from somewhere.Edit: Found it! http://dgaider.tumbl...ons-cut-content

 

"Constantly pushing LGBTand SJW agenda so that when they inevitably get bad reviews they can just call anyone who criticises their game a homophobe and a racist."

 

Wat.

 

There are people of different sexualities and ethnicity that play video games. I have no idea how including stuff that's pretty common everywhere is pushing an agenda..

 

Dialogue wheel is another preference. You might not enjoy it, but I know many who do.

 

As for the gameplay; perhaps they don't want to reveal too much before the game comes out? We still have awhile to go.

 

But again, it's all a matter of opinion.  ^^

 

[Gtdef]

DA Origins was one of my favourite rpgs, but I just can't believe that Bioware can make a good game anymore after the disaster that was DA2 and ME3. Here are some of my concerns:

 

Bioware is still with the most cancerous company to the games industry.

They have said that they want the Skyrim and Call of Duty audience, so expect this game to be catered to casuals and dudebros. 

Preorder bonuses are still a thing and they'll most likely sell content cut from the base game on day 1. 

Constantly pushing LGBTand SJW agenda so that when they inevitably get bad reviews they can just call anyone who criticises their game a homophobe and a racist.

The dialogue wheel is still a thing.  

The "gameplay" trailer featured around 10 seconds of gameplay, are they trying to hide something?

Decisions from the previous games will barely mean anything http://www.escapistm...on-Age-2?page=1

 

There's just too many reasons to list, but anyway how do you think the game will turn out?

Will it be a massive disappointment or could it be half decent?

 

So I'm reading your points and trying to understand why the hell most of them matter. Other than the dialogue wheel (which I still fail to see why people dislike it, it's not the wheel that determines what the characters say, the writers do that), everything else is business politics and marketing. And frankly the vast majority of people don't really give a **** about any of that.

 

It's really impossible to argue when the actual concerns in your post are that "DA2 and ME3 were a disaster". If you can't find a quality in these games that make them worth your time then DAI will probably won't worth your time as well. I like DA2 combat system. I like the fantasy of ME3. These things make these games worthy of my time and allow me to see past some flaws. It's hard to find rpg games where your party actually matters and isn't just buffbots or irrelevant. Actually the only game I can think of is Storm of Zehir.

 

The truth of the matter is that Bioware makes good games and people have high standards. So naturally they always want more. And while this is a healthy attitude most of the time, sometimes they ask for things that can't be delivered. Of course parts of the game are of questionable quality, nothing is without it's flaws although some are better at hiding it than others.

 

Personally I like DA2 more than DAO because of the combat system. In DAO I like the story but I dislike the main character, the combat feels repetitive even when you play different classes. It doesn't have the depth of a dnd ruleset game and once you get to know how to play then you do the same things over and over, which isn't the case in DA2 cause every class works totally different and there are no IWIN buttons or cheap tactics.

[Zazzerka]

then just get left behind and sulk whilst everybody enjoys this wonderful new world of words we live in .

 

Ehhhhhhhh, but they aren't new words, are they? They already existed, and people who were unable or unwilling to use them exclusively went and ruined it for the rest of us. Language isn't static, sure, but now we've literally got a word that has a 50/50 chance of meaning it's opposite.

 

But I guess I'm just an old fuddy duddy stuck in the past. Carry on, you forward thinker, you.

[mikeymoonshine]

Zazzerka if i could dislike i would sorry lol.

Language changes and evolves as words are used in different ways and context and meanings change, the english language is not the same now as it was 100 or 200 years ago, infact it is unrecognisable from what it was 300 years ago. It will be different again in 100 years, thats the wonderful thing about our bastard language, and it is a bastard language, we have words from every continent in use in our vocabulary, and we change and use those as we see fit, don't like it that english is changing and being used differently, then just get left behind and sulk whilst everybody enjoys this wonderful new world of words we live in .

 

While I agree and accept that language changes I think changing a word to mean the exact opposite of what it used to mean (as well as what it means) is ridiculous. 

 

You can't just roll out the "language changes" argument every time someone criticizes someone else's improper use of words. Language still actually needs to be a language and it actually does need to be understandable, that is more or less the point of it. 

 

People deliberately use words improperly all the time, that doesn't mean the words should be changed to these improper uses. What about concepts like sarcasm and exaggeration? 

[Riny]

All I'm hoping for is an improvement over DA2 tbh

[Zazzerka]

YEAH

[EmperorSahlertz]

Oh look, another EA basher.... How original..

[Cankiie]

There is a chance that you might like the game.

 

There is also a risk that you might not like the game.

[kalasaurus]

While I agree and accept that language changes I think changing a word to mean the exact opposite of what it used to mean (as well as what it means) is ridiculous. 

 

You can't just roll out the "language changes" argument every time someone criticizes someone else's improper use of words. Language still actually needs to be a language and it actually does need to be understandable, that is more or less the point of it. 

 

People deliberately use words improperly all the time, that doesn't mean the words should be changed to these improper uses. What about concepts like sarcasm and exaggeration? 

 

You understood what he meant, so he succeeded in communicating his point.  Just because he strayed from what you perceive as Standard or "formal" English, doesn't make him any less accurate.  He did use the proper use of the word in the "informal" sense.

[Avaflame]

Nope, there's not. There is 0% chance. None.

I don't see what else there is to say. People have already pointed out the 30 minute gameplay video, the ridiculousness of the "wanting Skyrim and CoD crowd" (which I'm not even sure what it means, I enjoyed Skyrim and love getting together with some friends for the occasional round of Nazi Zombies) and I think enough people have chimed in on the LGBT and SJW (what does this stand for?) agenda for it to be clear that no headway is going to made on that matter, regardless of how confounding and downright insulting of a statement that it is. As far as I know, there's no such thing as an LGBT "agenda".

As for the off-topic tangent about language, there's a difference between language evolving and adapting and devolving, such as using a word wrong enough times that society just goes "fine, I give up!" and lets it slip through. Like "I could care less", where it means the exact opposite of what it's trying to convey, but people have gotten so lazy that it's more present in today's vernacular than "I couldn't care less". Every time I see it in a TV show or movie, a part of me dies.

[SomberXIII]

I see many reasons for optimism.

 

Took the time to get it right.

More open-world feel.

I like the dialogue wheel.

DA2 was not awful it just wasn't DAO and (really) over-used the few locations it had.
ME3 wasn't awful, it just rushed the ending to a fine game, and you all know about that...

Including different people, what's not to like.

 

It's not reasonable to judge it so poorly over 4 months out from release.

[SomberXIII]

YEAH! Victory of the honest people!

Thank you, OP. You had done this day "A good day" treatment.

[Avaflame]

You understood what he meant, so he succeeded in communicating his point.  Just because he strayed from what you perceive as Standard English, doesn't make him any less accurate.  He did use the proper use of the word in the "informal" sense.

I have a really bad habit of substituting 'blah' and 'thing' for the keywords in all of my sentences and somehow people almost always know exactly what I'm talking about, even with no prior context other than the context clues in the sentence surrounding it. I succeed in communicating my point, but this is clearly not a case of language "evolving". It's a case of "people are lazy".

[kalasaurus]

I have a really bad habit of substituting 'blah' and 'thing' for the keywords in all of my sentences and somehow people almost always know exactly what I'm talking about, even with no prior context other than the context clues in the sentence surrounding it. I succeed in communicating my point, but this is clearly not a case of language "evolving". It's a case of "people are lazy".

 

As for the off-topic tangent about language, there's a difference between language evolving and adapting and devolving, such as using a word wrong enough times that society just goes "fine, I give up!" and lets it slip through.

 

Well, it's been happening for thousands of years.  Dictionaries and language standards are relatively new in the history of language.  I guess people who use different dialects around the world are incorrect in their language usage?

[Thumb Fu]

The word nice used to mean "ignorant" a long time ago. Something to think about.

I'm not saying that people can just go about using the completely wrong words in place of the correct one and argue the point that language changes just so they sounds clever, thats just stupid. But if enough people start to use the term in that way then it can take on a new meaning which becomes acceptable, thats how things work.

Anyway i think we've discussed this enough lol i didn't mean to derail the topic it was just to point out that the person you attacked actually used the correct term in the correct way.

On topic, yeah there is a good chance the game will be good, extra dev time and lessons learned from past troll topic blah blah.

I think that was a good save.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well, it's been happening for thousands of years. Dictionaries and language standards are relatively new in the history of language. I guess people who use different dialects around the world are incorrect in their language usage?

Yes, they are, and they feel bad for their inaccurate vernacular and ludicrous pronunciation of words.

It's pronounced Al-u-min-i-um people, not Al-u-min-um.