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[OldeGrim]

And too few great ones?

 

I know there are a lot of weapons that can be useful in the right hands and with the right builds etc, but they still pale in comparison to a few of the staples.

 

To me the best weapons in the game are:

 

Assault rifles: Harrier, Typhoon. Everything else seems underwhelming. Yeah there are some good other ones to use but really are there any that are actually better and more worth while to take with you than those two? Unless weight is an issue but in that case you are probably using your powers more anyways and the weapon is secondary to that. Maybe the Lancer gets an honourable mention here but after using it, I was totally underwhelmed. Don't even get me started on the Spitfire, what a useless POS that is.

 

Pistols: For me there is just no reason to bring anything else with me but an Acolyte. It's got to be the best sidearm in the game in terms of quickly dismantling shields to then use a power (or another weapon that is good against armour). I just don't see the reason to bring any other pistol except for the rare time I want to use the Scorpion for fun.

 

SMG: Hurricane, again there simply doesn't seem to be a good reason to use anything else in the SMG class.

 

Sniper Rifle: Black Widow, Javelin. Let's face it the rest of them are just underwhelming and while you can get them to work pretty decently (I like trying the Indra from time to time) they are just in no way on the same level in terms of killing efficiency.

 

Shotguns: I prefer the Geth Plasma shotgun, but I know the Claymore is popular. The wraith is also pretty decent but the rest of them? I never even touch, again due to killing inefficiency.

 

So while I know that there are plenty of viable weapons, there just doesn't seem to be much of a reason to use them unless you are going for challenges, or just trying to have fun with a different weapon. It would have been great to have seen a few more excellent weapons and not so many "just ok" ones.

 

I just feel like I am gimping myself if I don't take any of the aforementioned weapons with me.

 

TL:DR

 

Not enough "great" weapons to choose from. Too many mediocre/bad weapons.

 

EDIT: Just like to clarify that I know there are quite a few good weapons I didn't list here, but I feel that in general there are too many weapons in this game that are not up to par with the ones I mentioned, as well as some others.

[Maurader Sackboy]

Yes, agree.  Lots of dumb/useless RNG weapon drops before getting ones I'd really like.

[Kurt M.]

My experience with the game tells me that if you give a "bad" weapon to someone who knows how to use it, it'll kick your ass in points any time.

 

I've seen people kick ass with the Krisae, Disciple, Reegar Carbine...even a guy with a Katana shotgun.

[Kislitsin]

PPR is god-tier, Sabre, Valkyrie are good.

Talon and Arc-pistol are godly. Pally is great.

CSR and Kishock are awsome. Widow is nice.

Raider, Pirranha, Crusader are dps monsters.

L2P Scrub.

[NuclearTech76]

IDK with useless but I would agree there are some weapons that are kind of pointless. The BPP is a prime example; it is outdone by the Hurricane in every single aspect and is harder to control/less accurate. I think a lot of weapons fill a certain niche but needed some balance to get to where they needed to be and they didn't have the knowledge to get them there. 

 

Oh and before anyone throws a tizzy about Bioware's supreme knowledge with balance etc. I present the Vindicator nerf.

[capn233]

I would throw a few more onto the list, but overall I agree.  I think this was a side effect of increasing enemy HP with difficulty level, and the desire to have a large quantity of total weapons.  I don't know if they planned for most of the best weapons to be released as DLC or if they decided that the metagame was going to be different than they anticipated.

[Stillsean]

No I don't agree but yes to variety.

[RealKobeBean]

Well, I still try to play every weapon every now and then, but I do agree with you. Certain weapons I only use during troll games, and it's been chosen by a friend of mine, so that might not even count 

[Stillsean]

Shotguns: I prefer the Geth Plasma shotgun, but I know the Claymore is popular. The wraith is also pretty decent but the rest of them? I never even touch, again due to killing inefficiency.

 

OH OH OHHHHH! You didn't say Venom!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[OldeGrim]

PPR is god-tier, Sabre, Valkyrie are good.

Talon and Arc-pistol are godly. Pally is great.

Raider, Pirranha, Crusader are dps monsters.

L2P Scrub.

 I did forget to mention a couple of those. PPR is great, I'd say the Sabre and Valkyrie are good but not great, certainly not better than the Harrier.

 

The Arc pistol is good, but not great, might as well choose an Acolyte over it and just have a power or another weapon to deal with armour. The Paladin is not great IMO and there a few other weapons that you could take over the Paladin that would outperform it easily.

 

Raider? Again, I don't see the point in taking this weapon when I can choose the GPS, or Wraith.

 

The Piranha is good, but again, it isn't great. I find it is only useful with a Krogan Vanguard, otherwise there are other alternatives that will outperform it easily.

 

So again, while the weapons you mentioned are good, there are better alternatives.

 

Lastly, I definitely know how to play, thank you for the rude comment though.

[Sicklecyde]

no saber or venom? Widow or talon?
...I'm not saying any more

[OldeGrim]

Do you even Reegar?

Forgot to mention it, should be on the list.

[capn233]

The Arc Pistol is better than the Acolyte.  It is probably better than every weapon except the Reegar, although probably you could make a coherent argument about its superiority to the Reegar dependent on character, faction, and map.

[Stillsean]

 I did forget to mention a couple of those. PPR is great, I'd say the Sabre and Valkyrie are good but not great, certainly not better than the Harrier.

 

The Arc pistol is good, but not great, might as well choose an Acolyte over it and just have a power or another weapon to deal with armour. The Paladin is not great IMO and there a few other weapons that you could take over the Paladin that would outperform it easily.

 

Raider? Again, I don't see the point in taking this weapon when I can choose the GPS, or Wraith.

 

The Piranha is good, but again, it isn't great. I find it is only useful with a Krogan Vanguard, otherwise there are other alternatives that will outperform it easily.

 

So again, while the weapons you mentioned are good, there are better alternatives.

 

Lastly, I definitely know how to play, thank you for the rude comment though.

Erm.... Venom? Or haven't you unlocked it yet?

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

It's the nearness of the misses that's heartbreaking. For example, the Phaeston has decent ammo capacity and a fair rate of fire in a package that isn't too heavy. If it had only a tiny bit more damage it would be an almost universally good AR. That's one example of many.

[Silvershroud]

The Arc Pistol is better than the Acolyte.  It is probably better than every weapon except the Reegar, although probably you could make a coherent argument about its superiority to the Reegar dependent on character, faction, and map.

This.  The only character that I prefer the acolyte on is my Justicar.  Everything else that wants a pistol gets either the Arc as a main weapon, or an ultralight piercing Eagle as a secondary if the main is short ranged or can't hit guardians.

 

 

Also, what about the CSMG?

[Kislitsin]

I did forget to mention a couple of those. PPR is great, I'd say the Sabre and Valkyrie are good but not great, certainly not better than the Harrier.

The Arc pistol is good, but not great, might as well choose an Acolyte over it and just have a power or another weapon to deal with armour. The Paladin is not great IMO and there a few other weapons that you could take over the Paladin that would outperform it easily.

Raider? Again, I don't see the point in taking this weapon when I can choose the GPS, or Wraith.

The Piranha is good, but again, it isn't great. I find it is only useful with a Krogan Vanguard, otherwise there are other alternatives that will outperform it easily.

So again, while the weapons you mentioned are good, there are better alternatives.

Lastly, I definitely know how to play, thank you for the rude comment though.

Pally can 1-2HSK any humanoid on gold+. great sidearm if you can aim.
Arc can 1hsk any humanoid. While has a good dps. It's an extremely overbuffed gun.

Raider and Pirranha has a monstrous DPS and they really shine on accuracy boosting classes.
GPS is great only for on-host phantoms and only if you can't headshot.

It sincerelly seems to me that you just don't know how to play with those guns.

[TheNightSlasher]

Most common, uncommon and certain rares are quite bad IMO.

I also dislike the presence of way too may works-well-with-any-kit weapons. Wraith, talon, harrier, arc pistol, hurricane are some of them.

I, for one would appreciate the presence of more niche weapons - suppressor, graal, kishock, scorpion, venom, saber, Valkyrie, CSR, Indra, spitfire, etc.

[OldeGrim]

The Arc Pistol is better than the Acolyte.  It is probably better than every weapon except the Reegar, although probably you could make a coherent argument about its superiority to the Reegar dependent on character, faction, and map.

I guess in terms of the Arc pistol vs the Acolyte it is personal preference. I find the Acolyte can strip shields quicker, and apply ammo effects nicely. Also, being able to shoot around corners and make good deflection shots on enemies you know are there is fantastic.

 

Anyways that is still just 2 pistols out of however many there are (I guess 3 if you include the Scorpion).

[OldeGrim]

Pally can 1-2HSK any humanoid on gold+. great sidearm if you can aim.
Arc can 1hsk any humanoid. While has a good dps. It's an extremely overbuffed gun.

Raider and Pirranha has a monstrous DPS and they really shine on accuracy boosting classes.
GPS is great only for on-host phantoms and only if you can't headshot.

It sincerelly seems to me that you just don't know how to play with those guns.

 

 

I know how to play with any/all of the weapons in this game. I can still do well with them but will not be killing things quite as quickly or effectively.

[Wizard of Ox]

I almost took this seriously…  

[OldeGrim]

Arc Pistol only good?

 

 

That thing is INSANE. Charged shots all day, everyday. It's  easily on par with the Talon, with the added benefit that most people will have maxed out the Arc pistol before they ever get their first Talon if RNG has any say in it.

 

 

Besides, I have yet to see any weapon that does negative damage. So just because something doesn't turn a game into EZ mode like a Harrier or Reegar, doesn't mean it's useless.

 

I mean, each and every one of us started out with weapons like the Avenger I. If they were truly useless, how do you propose we ever won the matches to afford getting all those godly DPS monsters in the first place? Space magic???

I shouldn't have used the term useless. What I am trying to say though is that there are some very clear frontrunners and too many weapons that are "Just ok" or all out terrible.

[capn233]

I guess in terms of the Arc pistol vs the Acolyte it is personal preference. I find the Acolyte can strip shields quicker, and apply ammo effects nicely. Also, being able to shoot around corners and make good deflection shots on enemies you know are there is fantastic.

 

Anyways that is still just 2 pistols out of however many there are (I guess 3 if you include the Scorpion).

 

Are you charging every shot on the Arc Pistol?  For most characters, a fully charged Arc Pistol will one-shot most all gold trash mobs, including protected units.  You don't really even need any passive weapon damage to one-shot everything except for the tough ones like Hunter or Possessed Captains.

 

If I had designed the game though Arc Pistol would have simply been a shield stripper with the charge correlating to the shield and barrier multiplier, and no 3 projectile at max charge.