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[berelinde]

I hope that Inquisition requires players to roleplay different characters for trophies and cheevos, strictly for the benefit of those people who would rather it didn't.

I post this with full awareness that I am doing exactly what I criticize others for doing: wanting rewards for playing the game according to my personal preferences.

 

Eventually, I will get around to playing every race/class combo they offer. Eventually, I will try every romance they offer, even the ones I don't like. I don't do this for the sake of an achievement (because there isn't one), but rather because I feel as if I'm not getting as much as I can out of the game if I don't.

 

Ultimately, I'm in favor of anything that would encourage people to broaden their RP horizons. If you only ever play as a male warrior who romances the female mage, there isn't much point in playing through multiple times. You're just playing the same game over and over. But if you play it once as a warrior, once as a rogue, and once as a mage, romance different people, and generally make choices you didn't make on previous playthroughs, you're experiencing more of what the game has to offer.

[Steelcan]

How about instead of an achievement for each romance, just one general one

[teenparty]

The achievements I hate are those that doesn't feel like an achievement at all. Because each game has thousands of stupid achievements I never bother with them.

 

"You talked to somebody."

 

"You crafted an item."

 

"You killed your first enemy"

 

"You completed a quest."

 

"You paused the game in combat."

[daveliam]

Aye, whilst I understand that there is no right or wrong way to play the game, it's equally true that the OP's request is one that could be made for horrible reasons. That's difficult for me.

 

I'm not sure if I agree that the request is all that reasonable, to be honest.  Why shouldn't there be a romance related achievement.  It's a part of the game mechanics and story line.  It's silly to ask to remove achievements just because you don't access that content.  Achievements are optional bonus rewards for doing stuff in the game that the devs want you to do.  They clearly want people to do the romances because they keep putting them in and attaching achievements to them.  I don't see a problem at all with a 10-25 pt. achievement that you unlock when you lock in or complete any of the romances. 

 

If the OP doesn't want to do them, he doesn't have to.  He just can't not do them and still get all of the achievements.  I hate that I still don't have defeat the Harvester on nightmare difficulty achievement.  But I don't go around asking them to remove the difficulty setting achievements because other people enjoy them.  More power to them in my opinion.

[AkiKishi]

Aye, whilst I'm sure that the OP's request was made innocently enough, I don't like the idea of Bioware factoring in the real life romantic inclinations of it's players when it comes to cheevos.
 

 

If you remove them , then that's not a concern. 

 

Putting them into one trophy is a good solution too.The sheer number of LI's is getting kinda stupid and obviously the guys who made ME3 realised that.

[daveliam]

If you remove them , then that's not a concern. 

 

Putting them into one trophy is a good solution too.The sheer number of LI's is getting kinda stupid and obviously the guys who made ME3 realised that.

 

I'm expecting that there will be around 5-6 LI's this time around.  I think the people that are hoping for 8 are just doing that:  hoping.  I don't think we're going to see a crazy amount of LI's.

 

Bioware games this gen:

ME - 3  LIs

DA: O - 4 LIs

ME 2 - 6 LIs

DA 2 - 5 LIs

SWTOR - 21 LIs (!)

ME 3 - 11 Lis (of which only 5 can start new romances in the game)

 

So barring the fact that 6 romances could have been carried over from ME2 - ME3 (which won't be an issue for DA: I since it's a new protagonist), the games have all had between 3-6 LI's.  I don't suspect that it will be more than that this time around either.

[happy_daiz]

I honestly don't care how they do it, as trophies aren't much of a priority for me.

[TurretSyndrome]

Slightly off topic:  Well, gay and lesbian players have been told over and over that we just need to suck it up and play the opposite gender if we want to romance Alistair, Morrigan, Sebastian, Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Tali, Jacob, Thane, Garrus, Dawn Star, Bastila, Carth, Jaheira, Aerie, Viconia, Anomen, etc.......  When we say that we just don't want to play straight romances, we're told that we are limiting ourselves and don't understand the purpose of role-playing games (i.e. to role play someone different than us).  We're also told that it's optional content, so it doesn't matter if we want to experience the content, because we could just choose not to.

 

So what's the point of this? "Because we had to go through all that crap and we still do, you should too, so suck it up when romancing characters with different sexualities" You went through it, so now you want me to experience it just so I know how it feels? Is that it? I just want to know what it is you're getting at, with these words. And why would they apply to this situation? The single romance achievement suggested was for universal convenience. People who are not hetero also have a problem with it.

 

If I'm not comfortable hitting on a guy, let alone have sex with him even if it is with a female character, even if it is for 100% completion, I'll come out and say it. Maybe if it was you who was saying that, that you didn't want to romance other sexualities, or play as the usual male hetero, you'd get attacked by homophobes on the internet. But why is there a need to remind me of that issue?

[daveliam]

 

So what's the point of this? "

 

I think the two sentences that you left of the quote explained my purpose for making that statement.  That I don't agree with those arguments.  That those arguments could easily be applied to this situation.  And that I am hopeful that being on the other end of the argument would help some people see that those arguments aren't exactly valid. 

 

I'm not suggesting that it's you that I'm talking about.  Hopefully, you know that if you didn't make those arguments, that my statement doesn't apply to you. 

[TurretSyndrome]

So why did you quote me? I certainly wasn't making those arguments, so surely you had something to point out to me?

[daveliam]

So why did you quote me? I certainly wasn't making those arguments, so surely you had something to point out to me?

 

I was quoting your words, not you personally.  I'm sorry if that's how it came across.  Perhaps I should have clarified that in my original post.  Your words were what spurred that thought for me.  Not you, the person. 

[Knight of Dane]

Could achievements please be something to achieve? It kinda bugs me that all they boil down to these days is going through a chapter of a plot.

 

*ping* you got inside the winter palace.

[AkiKishi]

. Why should those who are so uncompromising in their playstyles as to simply not countenance the thought of romancing a man (for example) expect to ace the game?

 

Kotaku article incoming.

[Wulfram]

Could achievements please be something to achieve? It kinda bugs me that all they boil down to these days is going through a chapter of a plot.

 

*ping* you got inside the winter palace.

 

I don't see why progressing through the game shouldn't be worth a few achievements

[Nefla]

Just that. It's tacky and I don't want to have to do a romance just to ping a trophy. 

More tacky than the "kill 1,000 dudes!" trophies?

[AkiKishi]

I don't see why progressing through the game shouldn't be worth a few achievements

 

No idea how it works on xbox1 but on the PS4 you can now see what % of players has each trophy. It's true what they say about most people not finishing games. 

[happy_daiz]

No idea how it works on xbox1 but on the PS4 you can now see what % of players has each trophy. It's true what they say about most people not finishing games. 

 

Definitely true. I was surprised how many "Ultra Rare" trophies I've gotten already on PS4. I've only had mine for a few weeks.

[TurretSyndrome]

Earning achievements for experiencing each romance path is no more unreasonable or odd to me than earning them for completing each side quest. Besides, achievements are usually designed to reward the diligence and dedication of the games more methodical players. Why should those who are so uncompromising in their playstyles as to simply not countenance the thought of romancing a man expect to ace the game?

 

Well, it is odd to me because I don't see the romance content in the game to be the same as other optional content. If Bioware felt that the romance content is equal or should be treated equally to other content, they wouldn't give it special prominence to crafting it.

 

I can be diligent and dedicated without having to withstand discomfort. If you consider yourself an ace for being able to go through all romances despite the discomfort you felt while doing them, good for you. I find such a notion to be silly, and it is by nature impossible to me. It's like someone saying "hey, look at me, I'm diligent because I can still eat my lunch without feeling disgust while looking at a rotting corpse". It's hyperbole but you get my point. Then again, I believe even the prospect of dedication changes from person to person.

 

In any case, I feel that there is no point to prove by forcing players to put themselves through certain romances they dislike, to get the achievement, unless of course Bioware enjoys feeding off of people's discomfort. If you're the kind of person who has no problems playing as a female, or romancing sexualities yours doesn't align with, more power to you. You can advocate for the character-specific romance achievements to be untouched if you feel so strongly about it. I on the other hand do not agree with what you said.

[daveliam]

Well, it is odd to me because I don't see the romance content in the game to be the same as other optional content. If Bioware felt that the romance content is equal or should be treated equally to other content, they wouldn't give it special prominence to crafting it.

 

I can be diligent and dedicated without having to withstand revulsion. If you consider yourself an ace for being able to go through all romances despite the discomfort you felt while doing them, good for you. I find such a notion to be silly, and it is by nature impossible to me. It's like someone saying "hey, look at me, I'm diligent because I can still eat my lunch without feeling disgust while looking at a rotting corpse". Then again, I believe even the prospect of dedication changes from person to person.

 

In any case, I feel that there is no point to prove by forcing players to put themselves through certain romances they dislike, to get the achievement, unless of course Bioware enjoys feeding off of people's discomfort. If you're the kind of person who has no problems playing as a female, or romancing sexualities yours doesn't align with, more power to you. You can advocate for the character-specific romance achievements to be untouched if you feel so strongly about it. I on the other hand do not agree with what you said.

 

Please be careful with your language.  Using words like "revulsion" and "disgust" when describing s/s relationships is not appropriate and I ask you to choose your words in a way that aren't potentially offensive.  I understand that you don't want to engage in that content, but I think that there are other ways to get your point across.

[TurretSyndrome]

Alright, I edited my post, was not my intention, sorry.