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[The Night Haunter]

Well, it is odd to me because I don't see the romance content in the game to be the same as other optional content. If Bioware felt that the romance content is equal or should be treated equally to other content, they wouldn't give it special prominence to crafting it.

You think side quests don't get extra treatment? Or the exploration? I'd like to see something to back up that Romance arcs get more attention than other items. In DAO there was a lot to be gained from exploring, and there were some pretty cool things to find that no main quest led you towards. I don't think romance arcs get more attention than other aspects of the game. You only feel they do because you don't consider side quests and exploration to be 'extra' content because it is standard in all western rpgs, while not all rpgs have romances, so to you it stands out more, but that doesn't mean it is actually getting extra treatment relative to other optional aspects of the game.

[AkiKishi]

I find the idea of playing the game 6-8 times offputting to say the least(as well as other reasons). Three is fine, there are enough classes to make that worthwhile and probably enough content, but 6-8 is really pushing it which is why I hope they do take a leaf out of ME3's book and do a blanket trophy or drop them completely

[TurretSyndrome]

You think side quests don't get extra treatment? Or the exploration? I'd like to see something to back up that Romance arcs get more attention than other items. In DAO there was a lot to be gained from exploring, and there were some pretty cool things to find that no main quest led you towards. I don't think romance arcs get more attention than other aspects of the game. You only feel they do because you don't consider side quests and exploration to be 'extra' content because it is standard in all western rpgs, while not all rpgs have romances, so to you it stands out more, but that doesn't mean it is actually getting extra treatment relative to other optional aspects of the game.

 

No, I don't believe that other side quests get as much attention as the romances do. Romances may have inferior content compared to even some of the secondary quests but I don't think that they are treated on the same level as side quests.

 

Why do you assume that I consider side quests that are labeled as such, to not be extra content? Everything that the player can potentially skip is extra content. It's just that, in that content, I feel romances command a certain level of attention from the main writers. There is a reason Bioware makes a special mention and creates hype for the romances and not the rest of the side quests.

[AkiKishi]

There is a reason Bioware makes a special mention and creates hype for the romances and not the rest of the side quests.

 

Because it's become an expectation by a certain subset of players. Be interesting to see how the numbers break down now you can look at them. 

 

I'll post the Bound by Flame numbers in a bit. Need to go to the PS4. 

[daveliam]

Alright, I edited my post, was not my intention, sorry.

 

Thank you.

 

I find the idea of playing the game 6-8 times offputting to say the least(as well as other reasons). Three is fine, there are enough classes to make that worthwhile and probably enough content, but 6-8 is really pushing it which is why I hope they do take a leaf out of ME3's book and do a blanket trophy or drop them completely

 

Yeah, I think the DA team will do a single romance achievement again.  Isn't that how they did it in DA 2?

[AkiKishi]

Here we go. 

 

Platinum .7% 

 

Edwen 6.9%

Sybil 6.7% 

Rhelmar 1.1% 

Randval 1.2% 

 

Big difference in the % of female and male LI's romanced. 

 

Just out of curiosity anyone with a PS4 who can access the trophy data for DA2 ? Mine was on another account.

[daveliam]

Here we go. 

 

Platinum .7% 

 

Edwen 6.9%

Sybil 6.7% 

Rhelmar 1.1% 

Randval 1.2% 

 

Big difference in the % of female and male LI's romanced. 

 

Just out of curiosity anyone with a PS4 who can access the trophy data for DA2 ? Mine was on another account.

 

Two things:

 

1.)  What does platinum mean?

and

2.)  I don't think that this is necessarily indicative of what it looks like across games.  I agree that we would need to see the DA 2 and ME 3 data on the PS4 in order to see what it's like with Bioware games.  Spider Games isn't known for it so I'm not even sure most people know that Bound by Flame exists, let alone that there are romances in it.  I do suspect that Bioware games will have a higher number because some people buy the games just for the romances.

[TurretSyndrome]

Because it's become an expectation by a certain subset of players. Be interesting to see how the numbers break down now you can look at them. 

 

Its taken for granted these days, that's true, but I disagree that that is the reason why Bioware continues to include and improve them. David Gaider has said it multiple times that they do romances because they want to, even if there were times they doubted if it's really worth it.

[happy_daiz]

Here we go. 

 

Platinum .7% 

 

Edwen 6.9%

Sybil 6.7% 

Rhelmar 1.1% 

Randval 1.2% 

 

Big difference in the % of female and male LI's romanced. 

 

Just out of curiosity anyone with a PS4 who can access the trophy data for DA2 ? Mine was on another account.

 

When I played Bound by Flame and romanced Rhelmar, it was at less than 1%.

 

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, Edwen and Sybil were both around 2-3%, too. Obviously these numbers will go up with more people playing.

 

Also, I played DA2 on 360, sorry I can't help.

[efd731]

Cue the "You're shoving the agenda down our throats!", "We aren't going to just swallow this!" and "Stop putting it in our faces" 'arguments'

everything in quotations pleases me greatly in other news(and on topic) having romance achievements is no more odd that achievements for anything else. whats wrong with recognizing the effort you put in to complete that part of the gmae?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Two things:
 
1.)  What does platinum mean?
and
2.)  I don't think that this is necessarily indicative of what it looks like across games.  I agree that we would need to see the DA 2 and ME 3 data on the PS4 in order to see what it's like with Bioware games.  Spider Games isn't known for it so I'm not even sure most people know that Bound by Flame exists, let alone that there are romances in it.  I do suspect that Bioware games will have a higher number because some people buy the games just for the romances.

PS3/PS4 Players get a platinum trophy if they manage to get every single trophy for a game, i myself have 3 platinum's for example

[AkiKishi]

Here are the stats for DA:O. DA2 took a while 'cause I had to make a call for the DA2 stuff.

 

Dragon Age Origins

 

Plat 1.4 % 

First Knight (Alistair) 8.6% 

Witch Gone Wild (Morrigan) 24% ! 

Easy Lover (Zevron) 10.1% 

Wine Women Song 11.8% (suprised me) 

 

Dragon Age 2. 

 

Plat 1.4% 

Romance 46.2% 

 

Conclusion I wasted a thread  

[daveliam]

Here are the stats for DA:O. DA2 took a while 'cause I had to make a call for the DA2 stuff.

 

Dragon Age Origins

 

Plat 1.4 % 

First Knight (Alistair) 8.6% 

Witch Gone Wild (Morrigan) 24% ! 

Easy Lover (Zevron) 10.1% 

Wine Women Song 11.8% (suprised me) 

 

Dragon Age 2. 

 

Plat 1.4% 

Romance 46.2% 

 

Conclusion I wasted a thread

 

So I guess the platinum percentage is kind of useless because we don't know if it's because they didn't do all of the romances or didn't do a different achievement.

 

This is fantastic data (god I love data, I'm such a loser).  It means that it's safe to say that about half of the players do romances in the DA games.  That's pretty substantial.  Romances are clearly more popular than some people on BSN want to give them credit for....  I'd love to also see how many people finished the games in general to see which is higher. 

Thanks for sharing!

[AkiKishi]

So I guess the platinum percentage is kind of useless because we don't know if it's because they didn't do all of the romances or didn't do a different achievement.

 

This is fantastic data (god I love data, I'm such a loser).  It means that it's safe to say that about half of the players do romances in the DA games.  That's pretty substantial.  Romances are clearly more popular than some people on BSN want to give them credit for....  I'd love to also see how many people finished the games in general to see which is higher. 

Thanks for sharing!

 

The Platinum data tells you who did absolutely everything, so if you take that away from the %'s it gives you who did what differently.

 

That data is only for the PS3. But you can say that around half of PS3 players did a romance in DA2. The individual stats are less useful because of the overlap although its very clear Morrigan is the most popular by a long way. 

 

If people are interested it's fairly easy to copy down the trophy list data for various quest branches and endings.

[Wulfram]

Here are the stats for DA:O. DA2 took a while 'cause I had to make a call for the DA2 stuff.

 

Dragon Age Origins

 

Plat 1.4 % 

First Knight (Alistair) 8.6% 

Witch Gone Wild (Morrigan) 24% ! 

Easy Lover (Zevron) 10.1% 

Wine Women Song 11.8% (suprised me)

 

Worth remembering that Zevran and Morrigan's achievements were definitely more easily available than Alistair and Leliana

[AkiKishi]

Considering all the squeeing following DA:O about Alistair I was surprised by the low %. Even went to double check in case I'd misread 18.6%. but it is 8.6%

 

You make a good point though, there is always some sort of story behind the data. 

[daveliam]

The Platinum data tells you who did absolutely everything, so if you take that away from the %'s it gives you who did what differently.

 

That data is only for the PS3. But you can say that around half of PS3 players did a romance in DA2. The individual stats are less useful because of the overlap although its very clear Morrigan is the most popular by a long way. 

 

If people are interested it's fairly easy to copy down the trophy list data for various quest branches and endings.

 

Yeah, even though it's only the PS 3 data, I think it's safe to say that it's fairly representative of the larger population.  There's nothing that would suggest that PS 3 players are fundamentally different than xbox and pc players, right?

 

In general, good info.  Thanks.

[Wulfram]

Considering all the squeeing following DA:O about Alistair I was surprised by the low %. Even went to double check in case I'd misread 18.6%. but it is 8.6%

 

 I remember David Gaider saying that 30% of player/characters (I don't know which) were women, so 1/3 of Morrigan's number makes sense.  Lower than Zevran is a surprise, but of course the clue is in the achievement name.

[mopotter]

See, I can poke holes in your post, because in DA:O Killing dragons took zero effort with proper tactics setup (To say nothing of the exploits), but pursing a romance actually took effort learning the character and what pleased them.

 

Both are the culminating point of massive tracts of content within the game. Killing the dragon takes gear, tactics and skill. Romance takes patience, attentiveness and occasionally swallowing your pride and/or integrity.

 

DA:O you could romance anyone without getting to know them, just ply them with gifts.  Including dog bones and half eaten cake.  If all one is going for are the achievements and I'm pretty sure there are some out there, probably more than I'd like to think, who are more interested with cute little achievements they can show of to friends than the very interesting characters and yes, the patience, attentiveness and occasionally swallowing your pride and or integrity that I also did.  

 

I could do without so many of them.   But as long as they don't interrupt the game with notices  Hey congratulations you got an achievement for Kissing Alistair 100 times in public, than I'll ignore it and wonder why anyone wants them.  

 

question - can you turn them off?

[mopotter]

I find the idea of playing the game 6-8 times offputting to say the least(as well as other reasons). Three is fine, there are enough classes to make that worthwhile and probably enough content, but 6-8 is really pushing it which is why I hope they do take a leaf out of ME3's book and do a blanket trophy or drop them completely

 I play most of bioware games a lot more than just 6  - 8 times and I'm pretty sure there are more like me in that regard.  I also read favorite books over and over, true, it's usually over a number of years.  I have one series I read every year because I enjoy it.  Same with BioWare games, I enjoy the story, the characters and how I can do different things each time I play.   But I don't play for the achievements.  One blanket trophy would be great.

[Oswin]

Here are the stats for DA:O. DA2 took a while 'cause I had to make a call for the DA2 stuff.

 

Dragon Age Origins

 

Plat 1.4 % 

First Knight (Alistair) 8.6% 

Witch Gone Wild (Morrigan) 24% ! 

Easy Lover (Zevron) 10.1% 

Wine Women Song 11.8% (suprised me) 

 

Dragon Age 2. 

 

Plat 1.4% 

Romance 46.2% 

 

Conclusion I wasted a thread

 

Those %'s seem really low. Is that using the PS4's trophy system?

 

I don't have a PS4 yet and always use PSNProfiles for my stats. On there it is

 

Plat - 8.08%

Alistair - 17.98%

Morrigan - 34.67%

Zevran - 21.45%

Leliana - 21.75%

and then the Hopelessly Romantic trophy for experiencing all the LI's - 12.01%

Same order really, just with higher numbers. 

 

And in DA2 is was 

Plat - 9%

Romance - 36.73%

 

The romance percentage is a lot lower over there.

 

I looked at the ME games as well out of interest and for those it was:

ME1:

Plat - 6.64%

Romance - 43.50%

 

ME2:

Plat - 12.95%

Romance - 48.49%

 

ME3:

Plat - 9.59%

Romance - 49.42%

 

It makes it seem like people were more up for it in the Mass effect games    But as DAO's was spread out over 4 characters I guess it would end up being a similar if it was just the one trophy. DA2's seems a lot less but then I'm guessing it might be more that people didn't finish it than didn't want to romance, as the % for defeating Meredith is 48.90%.

[daveliam]

Those %'s seem really low. Is that using the PS4's trophy system?

 

I don't have a PS4 yet and always use PSNProfiles for my stats. On there it is

 

Plat - 8.08%

Alistair - 17.98%

Morrigan - 34.67%

Zevran - 21.45%

Leliana - 21.75%

and then the Hopelessly Romantic trophy for experiencing all the LI's - 12.01%

Same order really, just with higher numbers. 

 

These numbers seem a bit off.  If I'm reading that correctly, 95.85% of playthroughs did a romance?  (17.98+34.67+21.45+21.75=95.85%)

[mopotter]

Its taken for granted these days, that's true, but I disagree that that is the reason why Bioware continues to include and improve them. David Gaider has said it multiple times that they do romances because they want to, even if there were times they doubted if it's really worth it.

Yeah.  

 

And, for me at least, it's why i will purchase their games first if there are more than one I'm interested in playing.  I enjoy the whole package, being able to play female or male, story, characters and romance that's weaved into the story.  Without them, they would just be another good game with a  nice story but the romances add extra interest.  

[Wulfram]

These numbers seem a bit off.  If I'm reading that correctly, 95.85% of playthroughs did a romance?  (17.98+34.67+21.45+21.75=95.85%)

 

Pretty sure the numbers are per player, not per playthrough, so you can't add them together