Pretty sure the numbers are per player, not per playthrough, so you can't add them together
That's good to know. I have a PSN account, but I almost never use it, so I'm not really sure how it works. So to read those numbers correctly, it would be safe to say that 34.67% of players who have played DA: O on the PSN have romanced Morrigan at least once? Is that correct?
In any case, I feel that there is no point to prove by forcing players to put themselves through certain romances they dislike, to get the achievement, unless of course Bioware enjoys feeding off of people's discomfort. If you're the kind of person who has no problems playing as a female, or romancing sexualities yours doesn't align with, more power to you. You can advocate for the character-specific romance achievements to be untouched if you feel so strongly about it. I on the other hand do not agree with what you said.
How is this different from any other achievement that forces the player to do something he wouldn't otherwise do? Just off the top of my head, there are achievements you only get if you side with Meredith in DA2. Or exterminating the Dalish tribe in DAO
It's OK to make the player side with an obvious psychopath or commit a massacre, but not OK to make the player experience a romance he wouldn't contemplate IRL?
How is this different from any other achievement that forces the player to do something he wouldn't otherwise do? Just off the top of my head, there are achievements you only get if you side with Meredith in DA2.
It's a good point.
I never get the achievements for playing "insanity" or "hardcore" modes, because I don't play those difficulties. I just accept that since I don't do them, I won't get the trophies for them. Seems logical, no?
Plat - 8.08%
Alistair - 17.98%
Morrigan - 34.67%
Zevran - 21.45%
Leliana - 21.75%
and then the Hopelessly Romantic trophy for experiencing all the LI's - 12.01%
Same order really, just with higher numbers.
What's "Plat"?
I'm kinda surprised that Zevran scored so well relative to Alistair. Not at all surprised about the strong showing for Morrigan.
^ Platinum trophies, I believe.
So are those stats "overall", then, per player? I wish the 360 would have had stats like that, I'd be curious to see what mine are. Considering I romanced Alistair in probably 7/12 runs, my numbers would be quite different than those.
That's good to know. I have a PSN account, but I almost never use it, so I'm not really sure how it works. So to read those numbers correctly, it would be safe to say that 34.67% of players who have played DA: O on the PSN have romanced Morrigan at least once? Is that correct?
mine says 24%.... but ya that's how it works.
Anyway I would really prefer they stay trophies. Romances do count as game content.
^ Platinum trophies, I believe.
Ah, right.Thanks. PC gamer here, so I can never remember this stuff.
That's good to know. I have a PSN account, but I almost never use it, so I'm not really sure how it works. So to read those numbers correctly, it would be safe to say that 34.67% of players who have played DA: O on the PSN have romanced Morrigan at least once? Is that correct?
Basically it's 34.67% of people that played DAO unlocked the trophy for romancing Morrigan. I romanced her and Leliana in the same playthrough to get both of their trophies. I think I romanced Morrigan first, until the trophy popped and then dumped her and romanced Leliana until the trophy popped. Then dumped her 
So it's not to say who took a single romance from start to finish. It's more a case of who met the criteria and got the trophy to unlock. I think it just took a bit of tent action, but it was a while ago so I can't quite remember.
Same for DA2 actually. I couldn't get anyone to like my first Hawke, until about halfway through the 3rd act. Managed to Rivalmance Fenris and had pretty much no romance scenes until that kiss before the final fight and the trophy popped there. My first DA2 playthrough was a bit of a mess.
There is one for Xbox (it's unofficial like the one I use for PSN, but it'll give you a rough estimate) here:
http://www.trueachie...chievements.htm
and
http://www.trueachie...chievements.htm
Looks like a higher % of people have the romance one in DA2 there. Morrigan leads with 45% in DAO and Alistair is behind with 24%. I thought Alistair was way more popular. I prefer Zev and thought I was alone in that 
maybe not.
Looks like a higher % of people have the romance one in DA2 there. Morrigan leads with 45% in DAO and Alistair is behind with 24%. I thought Alistair was way more popular. I prefer Zev and thought I was alone in that
Have you heard dat voice? Totally swoon-worthy. 
Actually, Achievements are often used by game developers to see the behavior of players.
If Bioware was to see that 95% of players completed a romance, they would see it was quite a popular choice. If they were to see that most of the romances done were for a particular character, they could analyze that character's arc and presentation and determine if there are elements they might want to use for future games.
Achievements are often times much more for the developers benefit than the players.
That's rather interesting. Now I wish I could see the actual data.
As for the actual subject. I can understand disliking an achievement you're never going to get. Personally I hate the achievements that require me to play a warrior or a rogue as I'm strictly mage. However, I don't see that as a good enough reason to remove them.
Those %'s seem really low. Is that using the PS4's trophy system?
The DA:O stats I read off my trophy list the DA2 stats I had to ring a friend for.
I don't know how the unnoficial one does its stats unless its a limited number of players ? I know there are some sites like that.
The DA:O stats I read off my trophy list the DA2 stats I had to ring a friend for.
I don't know how the unnoficial one does its stats unless its a limited number of players ? I know there are some sites like that.
Ah, I will have to see what my stats are like when I get my PS4. Seems like some of my trophy % may end up being lower than PSNProfiles shows me.
The unofficial one is limited to how many players are registered to it I believe.There is a large amount that use PSNProfiles but I am guessing it will be mostly those that actually bother with trophies. If you start to throw in everyone else then I guess it must drop the numbers down a bit, especially as it'll include all the people who have loaded the game and, well that's about all they've done.
Ah, I will have to see what my stats are like when I get my PS4. Seems like some of my trophy % may end up being lower than PSNProfiles shows me.
The unofficial one is limited to how many players are registered to it I believe.There is a large amount that use PSNProfiles but I am guessing it will be mostly those that actually bother with trophies. If you start to throw in everyone else then I guess it must drop the numbers down a bit, especially as it'll include all the people who have loaded the game and, well that's about all they've done.
Ah, I will have to see what my stats are like when I get my PS4. Seems like some of my trophy % may end up being lower than PSNProfiles shows me.
The unofficial one is limited to how many players are registered to it I believe.There is a large amount that use PSNProfiles but I am guessing it will be mostly those that actually bother with trophies. If you start to throw in everyone else then I guess it must drop the numbers down a bit, especially as it'll include all the people who have loaded the game and, well that's about all they've done.
I think those sites will probably have more hardcore players and thus post higher numbers. There is probably a lot of competition between members too when it comes to posting trophies which leads to higher numbers.
I think , but I'm not 100% certain that the PS4 data comes off the trophy server and covers every single PS3 player who was logged in.Therefore you get a lot more casuals who never actually finish the game, let alone plat it.
I do think getting the notifications right after various romance scenes feels kind of weird, and it's one of the reasons I turned off the notifications for it (a feature only added recently to the PS3 that I was originally playing on).
Now that I see this, though, I kind of want a separate achievement for every romance, just because the statistics are interesting to look at.
That many people feel no discomfort at experiencing a little gay videogame content, whilst you find it impossibly difficult is kind of the problem here methinks. What I'm getting from you is that you don't want achievements linked to gay content because it might force you to experience something that is disgusting to you. Precisely the kind of nonsense I had in mind when I said:
How is this different from any other achievement that forces the player to do something he wouldn't otherwise do? Just off the top of my head, there are achievements you only get if you side with Meredith in DA2. Or exterminating the Dalish tribe in DAO
It's OK to make the player side with an obvious psychopath or commit a massacre, but not OK to make the player experience a romance he wouldn't contemplate IRL?
Because you can roleplay with different characters to be able to make those choices? As for playing as a female, or romancing guys in the game, it's a kind of natural discomfort making those choices you mentioned in the game wouldn't give. I get what you're saying but that's just how it is for me.
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Many people? So you got a number on how many people purposefully sit through the romance content with characters whose sexuality doesn't align with theirs? I don't have any issue with what people do in their beds, whoever or whatever they are, that's their business. Does that also mean I should not feel a sliver of discomfort no matter how much of it I subjected to, that I should just take it without flinching? Sorry, but that's just flawed thinking.
To sum this thread up "Give me cookies for doing what I like and **** everyone else"
And again, pointless questions notwithstanding, the way you frame your concerns is all kinds of telling and begs the question: what is it about non-straight romances that you find so very discomforting TurretSyndrome?
Sigh... I don't have any problem with non-straight romances or relationships. You seem to misinterpret my discomfort for the act of love is also my discomfort towards the relationship itself. I just find your notion that a straight man should be able to watch two guys have sex without flinching excessively dumb.
IMHO, I think Bioware should get rid of all the achievements. I understand why Bioware and other developers use them. When I started playing games back in the Dark Ages (that is pre-1975) the only achievement necessary was completing the game (usually several different ways). But , I see that times have changed.
Sigh... I don't have any problem with non-straight romances or relationships. You seem to misinterpret my discomfort for the act of love is also my discomfort towards the relationship itself. I just find your notion that a straight man should be able to watch two guys have sex without flinching excessively dumb.
To be fair, Bioware has always allowed players to skip sex scenes.
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Sigh... I don't have any problem with non-straight romances or relationships. You seem to misinterpret my discomfort for the act of love is also my discomfort towards the relationship itself. I just find your notion that a straight man should be able to watch two guys have sex without flinching excessively dumb.
Because you can roleplay with different characters to be able to make those choices? As for playing as a female, or romancing guys in the game, it's a kind of natural discomfort making those choices you mentioned in the game wouldn't give. I get what you're saying but that's just how it is for me.
IMHO, I think Bioware should get rid of all the achievements. I understand why Bioware and other developers use them. When I started playing games back in the Dark Ages (that is pre-1975) the only achievement necessary was completing the game (usually several different ways). But , I see that times have changed.
Sigh... I don't have any problem with non-straight romances or relationships. You seem to misinterpret my discomfort for the act of love is also my discomfort towards the relationship itself. I just find your notion that a straight man should be able to watch two guys have sex without flinching excessively dumb.
When have we seen anyone "have sex" in a BioWare game?
Implications, fade to black, and some underwear grinding sure but sex? When you want to make a argument in the future cut back on the hyperbole and lies.
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