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[DiscoGhost]

starting another play through to wrap up trophies and found out for one of them you need to take loghain with you??!!? who in theyre right mind would pick loghain over alister? this got me thinking about what the bioware canon is... ive tried alot of googling and forum hunting but cant find anything. is there one?

 

same question for DA2. the opening cinematic looks alot like a mage hawke to me. but how could a mage hawke become vicount? and how does a mage hawke get away with.. being a mage out in public for the entire length of the game?(around 7 years?) 

[Little Princess Peach]

I have no idea whom alister is but in the early stages of the game Bioware let us recruit Loghain early on also I like having the options more  to rp with.

But I always side with Alistair.

[Vegeta 77]

Origins canon Alistair king, Dalish warden ultimate sacrifice.      Da2 canon Mage hawke sided with mages.

[Orihime]

plus loghain became warden from what i got and alistair married anora

[Han Shot First]

Bioware doesn't have an official canon for the games. Whatever you choose in your game is canon, unless it gets retcon'd in a later game. (like Leliana dying)

 

There is a default canon for the books, but the books and the games aren't really the same universe. Its kind of the like Walking Dead TV series and the comics. They are the same basic story and characters but they don't coexist.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

who in theyre right mind would pick loghain over alister?

 

Well I didn't make the decision knowing I was kicking out Alistair, it just didn't stop me from making it, either. Alistair was a misfit into the team I'd assembled, a holdover from Duncan whom I did not handpick. He disapproved of every decision I made when he was in my party (yes, literally every one).

 

Loghain is more my kind of guy, and I knew I wanted him on my side when he said "There's nothing I wouldn't do for my homeland!" Compare that to Alistair's "But if the king asks me to put on a dress and dance the Remigold, I'm drawing the line." A joke, I know, but it says more about his character than he realizes.

[Mike3207]

The Bioware canon is based around-does it happen across all possible playthroughs? Gathering the treaties, the Hawkes flight from Lothering, The Battle of Denerim,Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual.Any event that will happen to everyone in the course of a playthrough, basically.Not sure how DLC/books/comics fit in with that.It might help to remember that events are canon more than people.

[Ferretinabun]

Seconding comments re. "There is no canon". At least as far as the games go. There is a default setting for those who have not played the previous games, and for the sake of the comics and books, and as far as I can recall, that is:

 

DA:O

 

Warden = female Dalish Elf

Romances Alistair

Frees Sten

Recruits Wynne

Refuses Dark Ritual

Alistair King (possibly with Anora also queen, but not sure if this is even known)

Ultimate Sacrifice.

 

DA2

 

Mage Hawke

Isabela returns - Hawke kills Arishok in a duel

Sides with Mages.

 

However, Bioware have been explicit that as far as the games go, this version of events is not to be considered more 'canon' than any other possible game world state. It's a 'default' rather than a canon.

 

As for your other question, I might have chosen Alistair over Loghain to remain in my party (because Loghain inexplicably sucks in combat), but that doesn't mean I'd trust him anywhere near the throne. He'll stay Grey Warden-ing and think himself lucky! It's what he's good at. 

[Mike3207]

I seem to recall there were several default options in DA2, including at least one dwarven one.

[Ferretinabun]

@Streetmagic - Hmmm, perhaps I misremembered the 'romance' one. I'll take that back since after a brief search I can't really back that up. Mark Darrah said on Twitter that there is a default romance state, but that he couldn't remember what it was - and that it was possibly 'no romance'.

 

@Mike3207 - There was indeed a selection of DA:O world states to choose from in DA2. Bioware have addressed customization from here on by bringing in the Keep, so players who want to can customize their world state as much or as little as they like, but ones who don't care to will just have the default chosen for them.

[Xetykins]

Say what? A Dalish Elf romances Alistair is "default"? How so? I don't remember anything about that in books or comics, or in DA2's "Dalish Martyr" playthrough.
 
Besides that, if anyone did romance Alistair, Alistair will automatically sacrifice himself. He won't be king.

Not if he's left at the gate?

[DiscoGhost]

i never new if the books were supposed to directly tie into the game. in the world of thedas vol1 the timeline says that the hero of fereldon continues to live and he is the one who encounters the architect. no orleasian commander is mentioned. it also insinuates that Alistair is king, so that also means that the dark ritual was preformed. (again all according to the world of thedas vol1) 

[Ryzaki]

Not much of a romance then

 

Seriously though.. if that's the canon scenario, I think it'd suck to make it revolve around a little loophole like that.

 

That's not really a loophole. PC can flat out tells him she's worried he'd do something stupid and that he's there in case her line fails.

[erilben]

The default choices get picked to kill off future potential content because it's set up for the newcomers. That's why the Warden is dead and there's no OGB. For the same reason, there will probably be no romance for the Warden.

 

I also doubt the default and canon for novels/comics is the same. The default kills off stories, and DG likes to bring back possibly dead characters in his novels and comics. However the ideal default for the games is for these characters to be dead.

[Lazarillo]

It seems weird that a sacrificed Warden would be the "default" state overall, given that, unless I'm mistaken about DA2 importing (and I admit, I could be), there's no actual way to carry over both the sacrificed character's world state, and the Orlesian Warden's.  Why have the default story be impossible to actually play?

[Xetykins]

Not much of a romance then
 
Seriously though.. if that's the canon scenario, I think it'd suck to make it revolve around a little loophole like that.

Or get a mod that punches him on the face and knock him. I have it but I only used it once :-p

[Tommy6860]

starting another play through to wrap up trophies and found out for one of them you need to take loghain with you??!!? who in theyre right mind would pick loghain over alister? this got me thinking about what the bioware canon is... ive tried alot of googling and forum hunting but cant find anything. is there one?

 

same question for DA2. the opening cinematic looks alot like a mage hawke to me. but how could a mage hawke become vicount? and how does a mage hawke get away with.. being a mage out in public for the entire length of the game?(around 7 years?) 

 

When picking companions and making decisions on various plots, that's really your canon. Bioware's canon is the story, lore and, the character backgrounds, really (that not comprehensive mind you). As far as Hawke being a mage, you could ask the same question regarding DA:O when your mage does mage-y stuff around Templars all of the time.

 

I have no idea whom alister is but in the early stages of the game Bioware let us recruit Loghain early on also I like having the options more  to rp with.

But I always side with Alistair.

 

You side with Alistair though you have no idea who he is??? I am confused on your Loghain comment as well; are you saying he is recruit-able early on, which he is not, or is it a wish of yours that he could be recruited earlier in the game?

[DiscoGhost]

When picking companions and making decisions on various plots, that's really your canon. Bioware's canon is the story, lore and, the character backgrounds, really (that not comprehensive mind you). As far as Hawke being a mage, you could ask the same question regarding DA:O when your mage does mage-y stuff around Templars all of the time.

 

 

You side with Alistair though you have no idea who he is??? I am confused on your Loghain comment as well; are you saying he is recruit-able early on, which he is not, or is it a wish of yours that he could be recruited earlier in the game?

 

well the wardens are immune to templar order or other bodies of enforcement so thats how i figure they get away with it. in the keep dlc for da:o the one warden uses blood magic. they also use blood magic to keep corpheus,

 

for the second quote i think he was being a smart ass cuz i spelled Alistair wrong the first time. maybe he's talking about mods or something also(which i have never used any since i play all the games on console and not pc)

[Tommy6860]

well the wardens are immune to templar order or other bodies of enforcement so thats how i figure they get away with it. in the keep dlc for da:o the one warden uses blood magic. they also use blood magic to keep corpheus,

 

Well you mentioned a Hawke mage specifically and I correlated that to the same effects that go on in DA:O. Warden or not, in either game, certain companions are not Wardens and can use magic on any level with impunity around the Templars. There was actually a part of DA:O where if the GW was a mage and had the BM spec, the templars and the other mages at the end of the Broken Circle quest would turn on the GW and s/he'd have to kill them all. Or if Morrigan has that spec and you rat her out,  she'll escape using her magic and you never see her again. It still is actually part of the game, but the script to trigger that was removed. There's a mod that puts that script back in the game.