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[AppealToReason]

I want to cut her head off and hang it in front of my keep next to Gaspard, Celene and anyone else who doesn't do exactly as I say.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It doesn't matter when it takes place. Men and Mer (elves) hate each other on principle. Even their gods (which are just different aspects each other) are literally at war with one another. Going all the way back to Anu (I am) and Padomay (I am not) before time and space were created. Mundus is called the Arena because war is perpetual and only the 'winners' attain enlightenment. Don't get me started on Lorkhan/Shor who are at war with Alduin/Auri-El and who are both secretly Shezarr/Akatosh. 

 

It does matter. Unless they were fighting eachother for the entirely of that 200 year period, it means individual Elder Scrolls stories can still end in achieving peace.

[leaguer of one]

It does matter. Unless they were fighting eachother for the entirely of that 200 year period, it means individual Elder Scrolls stories can still end in achieving peace.

They have to want peace for it to happen. And the dev's want to keep the story interesting.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah, but that's because the games are specifically set in times of conflict. Not that there is never examples of peacetime in the meantime.

[ladyofpayne]

Stupid and annoying woman. I hope to kill her in DAI.

[Vaseldwa]

I think she will be the leader of the city elves and someone we can rather ally with or kill! like choosing city elves verses dalish elves!

[Black Jimmy]

I figure she'll be leading the Elven Rebels.

Unless she's become an extremist, then she has my support.

[MisterJB]

And not have then strong enough to stomp over the elves and their right like they usually do. If they are dumb enough to kill themselves , that on them. The elves have no obligation to get them to stop. And if they take advantage of them due to the war, with the long history Orlais has with mistreating the elves, The Elves have every right to make sure to safe guard themselves because they clearly can't trust any human governments, especially at a time when rulership is based on might makes right.

And the players have the same rights to oppose Briala on grounds that she works to ensure the death of humans.

And since Briala is instigating the war, then the deaths are not all on humans even if the elves don't kill any personally.
 

[Volskygge]

Off with her head! And shatter her little mirrors too!

This please! Not certain why, but ever since i started reading the DA novels, I've started to resent every bloody elf out there, with the possible exception of Fiona. And what Briala did just russled all the jimmies! 

[Gervaise]

I find all the hate towards Briala rather strange.   She wants a better life for her people and understands the "game" well enough to know that a strong Celene or Gaspard just won't achieve this.  Why is everyone so fond of Orlais all of a sudden?   Their culture is totally corrupt, by this I mean the "game".   The only way you can achieve power is by being a ruthless manipulator.   Chevaliers train their recruits by letting them loose in elven slums, feeding the some **** and bull story and then letting them get on with it.   Even non elf commoners have it little better.   Do you not remember the girl in the market in Denerim who had to flee with her brother because he tried to stop a Chevalier from raping her and this was an offense, not just because he assaulted a noble but because the Chevalier was acting well within his "divine" rights.   Clearly this was where Vaughan got his inspiration in the City Elf Origin.   Now I recognise that Orlais is not the only guilty nation but at least in Ferelden, if you ask for a boon for the city elves, the monarch (whether Anora or Alistair) is brave enough and strong enough to agree to it, however many problems arise subsequently because nobles have a problem with this. 

 

What Celene did with Briala and the elven rebellion in Halamshirel was despicable.   She sent Briala to deal with it and then just because the Divine won't act regarding the mages unless Celene deals with the elves, she backtracks and burns the entire elven part of the city (innocent as well as guilty mind you).   I felt it served her right that Gaspard acted against her at this point since the original plan had been a far more appropriate response and that would have left her still safely in her powerbase.   As for Gaspard, he keeps to his honour when it suits him.  

 

In fact if Celene had really wanted to end things, why didn't she just kill Gaspard herself when she had the chance?  Her champion may have thrown in the towel but Gaspard admitted later that Michel had finished his fighting days with the injuries he inflicted.   If she had done so, the only witnesses were an elf, a mage and her discredited half elf champion.   Who would have believed them?    If Celene and Gaspard really care more about Orlais than their own power, they would come to terms.  What Briala did was ensure that neither of them got control of the eluvians, which considering what use they would put them to, seemed entirely the right choice.

[Volskygge]

That is why I personally became so fond of Orlais lately - The Game. Corrupt and unscrupulous as it may be, it is definitely more thrilling than Ferelden's more down-to-earth honor-above-all-ideology. 

About the Celene-Gaspard thing - well, we saw the civil war in game play terms from miiiiiiles away. The Masked Empire works as sort of a prelude to Inquisition, so this is why noone ended up killing the other and solidifying their hold on the throne/power. Do they care for Orlais, tho? Yeah, i believe they both do. Celene has a grand plan, that she is working on slowly, trying to change things in the long run, leading up to Orlais being the center of the cultured world(even more so than already). Gaspard,however, just kind of wants to be Emperor. He's said it plainly, that he just wants that fancy chair... Ye he is a good military leader, and under his rule Orlais could be pretty well off on the military front - ie "Time to conquer back that Ferelden-place again".

What i adored about their characters is that they are so very human and believable! 

 

Back to Briala tho. Don't like her. She's a hypocrite. She had Celene's ear for so long, and she did use it for good. But then, even after realizing none of the elves really cared for her efforts, she tossed the Empress aside once she got hold of something more powerful. 

[Han Shot First]

If the Elves are in full rebellion in DA:I I hope there is an option to ruthlessly put it down.

 

I'm going to go the lawful neutral route with the Inquisitor, with him having zero tolerance for anyone threatening the security of the realm regardless of their motivations. He'd sympathize with the plight of the elves up to the point where they start participating in violence against the state. He would also fully agree with Captain Garavel from the Awkening DLC, that, "You don't coddle a rebellion, you crush it!"

 

If Briala is a rebel I hope there is an option to mount her head on a spike.

[MisterJB]

I find all the hate towards Briala rather strange.   She wants a better life for her people and understands the "game" well enough to know that a strong Celene or Gaspard just won't achieve this.  Why is everyone so fond of Orlais all of a sudden?

Because people are people, regardless if they are born in Ferelden or Orlais; and the last thing the Orlesian commoners need is a war. Menwhile, Briala wants this war and if she does not care how many humans have to die to help the elves, then I don't see any particular reason to care in the sligthest about Briala's elves.

 

Besides, her plan is awful. She is weakening Orlais, thus inviting an invasion by powerful neighbors while doing nothing but increasing resentment between humans and elves.

 

 

In fact if Celene had really wanted to end things, why didn't she just kill Gaspard herself when she had the chance?  Her champion may have thrown in the towel but Gaspard admitted later that Michel had finished his fighting days with the injuries he inflicted.   If she had done so, the only witnesses were an elf, a mage and her discredited half elf champion. 

She tried right after the duel. Gaspard introduced her to the back of his hand.

A crippled Chevalier is still worth ten times a regular man.

 

What Briala did was ensure that neither of them got control of the eluvians, which considering what use they would put them to, seemed entirely the right choice.

And what use would they put them to? War making which, in their minds, is for the sake of Orlais.

What use is Briala putting them to? War making which, in her mind, is for the sake of the elves.

 

I don't see much difference.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Besides, her plan is awful. She is weakening Orlais, thus inviting an invasion by powerful neighbors while doing nothing but increasing resentment between humans and elves.

I feel like depending on who grabs the throne in Nevarra, we could see some warfare between those states soon. Heck, the Mortalitasi could be pushing for war as well, manipulating things from behind the scenes.

[DRTJR]

I personally don't agree with her goal to keep the Civil War going for as long as possible, as it really seems to be the worst possible way to go about gaining rights for the elves. why would Orlais want to help a people who are willingly dragging out a war that will cripple Orlais if it goes on too long. It will just breed contempt towards the elves. So I really don't understand how she thinks this will help the elves.

Because the only good Orlisian is a dead Orlisian.

[leaguer of one]

And the players have the same rights to oppose Briala on grounds that she works to ensure the death of humans.

And since Briala is instigating the war, then the deaths are not all on humans even if the elves don't kill any personally.
 

Please, don't even start with that. Human in thedus don't need help to kill each other.Heck, many human from other countries would help if they new what she what she was doing. You think the Narrians or Fereldins would be us set by her actions? Do try to make an argument on base on that side with humanity in thedus like that is an option. Just because your the same race does not mean your on the same side.

As for making sure the civil war last as long as possible, It make sense for her to do this to ensure elves have protection. The ironic thing about safety and security is that you do need to have some form of power have that and as long as this war is going on they have all the time to get that needed power. Innocent involved or not, it the humans who are killing one another and of all thing they have the power to stop fighting each other just as well. If the elves stir the pot even more it still no their fault on what happens in result.

[leaguer of one]

 

 

Back to Briala tho. Don't like her. She's a hypocrite. She had Celene's ear for so long, and she did use it for good. But then, even after realizing none of the elves really cared for her efforts, she tossed the Empress aside once she got hold of something more powerful. 

She toss the empress aside because Ceciline lied and manipulated to her for years and that she could easily brake her promises.

[Lenimph]

Here to* not hetero...stupid I phone

I was so confused. I thought you were saying that the inquisition was going to bring heteronomy to Thedas. Also I like Briala but I like Celene more...

[efd731]

Please, don't even start with that. Human in thedus don't need help to kill each other.Heck, many human from other countries would help if they new what she what she was doing. You think the Narrians or Fereldins would be us set by her actions? Do try to make an argument on base on that side with humanity in thedus like that is an option. Just because your the same race does not mean your on the same side.
As for making sure the civil war last as long as possible, It make sense for her to do this to ensure elves have protection. The ironic thing about safety and security is that you do need to have some form of power have that and as long as this war is going on they have all the time to get that needed power. Innocent involved or not, it the humans who are killing one another and of all thing they have the power to stop fighting each other just as well. If the elves stir the pot even more it still no their fault on what happens in result.

. Literally everything that happens as a result of their actions is their own fault. And what happens as a result of the humans actions is their own fault. That's the beauty of thedas, it's a giant medieval era bastard simulator. Like Rust(or DayZ) with magic instead of rocks and rifles.
Also, the point you made about the other nations attacking Orlais is valid.....but they'd crush th elven rebellion on their way to Val Royeaux. They don't want their own elves getting "uppity" while their military is out of country waging a war. An invasion of Orlais would be as bad or worse for the elves than your average Orlesian.

[efd731]

I was so confused. I thought you were saying that the inquisition was going to bring heteronomy to Thedas. Also I like Briala but I like Celene more...

lol no. I may be a straight white dude, but at least one of my inquisitors is going to be fabulous as all ****. #pinquisition #cass better be available to both genders

[Divine Justinia V]

I have a love/hate for Briala.

I think what eternally annoys me about her is just how cocky she is, like it's sickening.