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[LenaMarie]

So I was thinking about this whole Mage Templar war business and then I started to wonder, why don't most mages all run off to Tevinter? Considering how much value they place on mages, it seems like a rather safe destination for a Mage  being hunted by the Templars for being an apostate.

 

But then most every mages walk around in robes with staves on their backs, so mages arent so smart to begin with I suppose. Mage Hawke and Bethany seemed the most smartest to me given they dont start off in robes and are clever enough to know how to deal with Templars.

[Uirebhiril]

I'm guessing that in the mage scheme of things, a Circle refugee running off to Tevinter would be considered second-class citizens of no worth or value. In a culture that glorifies mages, you aren't anything special just because you can cast a fireball. You have to prove yourself, and native citizens probably have a leg up.

[mlgumm]

Well, there's the phylacteries to start. Then there's the whole "religious order that controls most of the continent hunting you" thing; getting caught before you can so much as set foot on a boat puts a stop to those travel plans. And the fact that Tevinter is portrayed as the land of puppy murder and nightmares and many would really rather live trapped in a Circle than go to a place where slavery and murder in the name of blood magic are not only legal but encouraged. Then there's the issue with cost. Many apostates, especially runaways from the Circle, have little to no personal funds, and it's a bit hard to run on an empty stomach.  In short, there's a lot of reasons most mages never go to Tevinter.

[The Hierophant]

They'd have to make it through Nevarra who's loyalty to the Chantry is unknown at this point while Tevinter is a highly competitive might makes right Magocracy. If the mage isn't an accomplished one they'll potentially end up enslaved or in the Circle for life.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Imperium tossed them on the front lines against the Qunari.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If they ran off to Tevinter, at best they'd be second-class citizens and at worst they would be actual slaves. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Tevinter is a place of ruthless power struggles. It's not safer for mages in Tevinter, it might even be less so than the Circles. It's just that they don't have a limit on how high they can climb.

 

David Gaider once said "There's also the fact that the Tevinter magisters don't particularly like the idea of having foreign mages flooding into the Imperium and possibly becoming competitors-- they're not sympathetic to the plight of mages elsewhere. Remember that the magisters are at the top of the food chain there. For them it's a matter of political power.

Even if a foreign mage *was* able to get into the Imperium, that wouldn't automatically make them a magister. They might find that life among a pack of piranha at the bottom of their particular pile, while filled with much more "freedom" than they're used to, comes with its own... difficulties."

[aTigerslunch]

I agree with comments above. A mage has to try and survive that long trek without much going for them compared to templars and their resources. Though I really dislike most templars, reminds me too much of something the countries on earth done in recent history. Fereldan seemed alright compared to Kirkwall. Never read the books yet so not sure how others are.

[Eveangaline]

Well they might not want to live where there's a lot of slavery. Or be afraid of being enslaved themselves.

[Former_Fiend]

Because if there's one thing people in the rest of Thedas understand, it's that Tevinter is a terrible place to live. 

[In Exile]

So I was thinking about this whole Mage Templar war business and then I started to wonder, why don't most mages all run off to Tevinter? Considering how much value they place on mages, it seems like a rather safe destination for a Mage  being hunted by the Templars for being an apostate.

 

But then most every mages walk around in robes with staves on their backs, so mages arent so smart to begin with I suppose. Mage Hawke and Bethany seemed the most smartest to me given they dont start off in robes and are clever enough to know how to deal with Templars.

 

Tevinter doesn't want more mages. They have a delicate political equilibrium, and thousands of unwashed refugees are going to upset that stability. Beyond that, not all mages are powerful, and mages could be enslaved. So not all mages will necessarily do well for themselves in Tevinter. 

 

Tevinter is a mageocracy, but there is a clear mage aristocracy that draws its line back to the old ruling Archons of the dragon worshiping old Tevinter, and they're presumably not going to want to deal with what they'd see as, say, unwashed doglord mages as equals. 

[Omikuji]

I would imagine it would be difficult to just run to different countries similar to how it's difficult in the real world to just go to another country. Generally, it's a far away travel and if you're a mage on the run getting coin and food would be difficult without raising the brow of many Templar or just mage haters in general.

 

Along with the whole expensive travel, it's also ridiculously dangerous even for a mage. Monsters roam the roads and bandits hide in the shadows, I doubt even a well trained mage can handle a hoard of wolves alone or bandits with arrows flying around them. 

 

The language is different, we may hear an all English land all translated for us in the convince of the game setting, but starting from scratch in a new country and you can't speak the language and not a penny to your name... yeah I don't think you'll get far.

 

Even if you do get there, I highly doubt even with a more mage controlled land, it's run by the most powerful and many are possibly corrupted. Caring for the little guy seems like the last thing they would do, and would rather have slaves around. I don't think even small time mages are safe from being controlled, maker forbid if you're an elf mage running there. 

 

It's just not easy to pack up and go to a place. 

[Devtek]

I highly doubt Tevinter enslaves mages, you could never trust them to not kill you with fire.

 

Did not remember fenris's sister...

 

Pretty dumb idea though...

Modifié par Devtek, 30 mai 2014 - 03:35 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Fenris says the Magisters don't hesitate to color their own. Plus his sister was a mage and was a slave before Fenris got her freed.

[Former_Fiend]

I highly doubt Tevinter enslaves mages, you could never trust them to not kill you with fire.

 

It's very well established that Tevinter enslaves mages. 

 

Say what you will about the Tevinters, but when it comes to slavery, they don't discriminate.

[KainD]

I'm guessing that in the mage scheme of things, a Circle refugee running off to Tevinter would be considered second-class citizens of no worth or value. In a culture that glorifies mages, you aren't anything special just because you can cast a fireball. You have to prove yourself, and native citizens probably have a leg up.

 

They would have to prove themselves, but it would be them who would have a leg up, just because they are mages. 

 

To OP - Yes, if a mage is no wuss, has no problem with slavery, mage supremacy and is ready to build a name for themselves or to work for someone with their special talents, then they should head straight for Tevinter, and I am pretty sure that a significant number of mages will do just that. 

[KainD]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Imperium tossed them on the front lines against the Qunari.

 

Such an underrated fate, that could actually secure a pretty good life, if one is ready to be a capable fighter. 

[Former_Fiend]

Such an underrated fate, that could actually secure a pretty good life, if one is ready to be a capable fighter. 

 

Most mages aren't.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Since the Imperium is losing the war, that's probably the last place they'd want to be.

[KainD]

Most mages aren't.

 

Indeed. Like most people. 

[Former_Fiend]

Indeed. Like most people. 

 

My point exactly.

[KainD]

My point exactly.

 

That's what I would personally do though. 

[Former_Fiend]

That's what I would personally do though. 

 

Well don't let me talk you out of it.

[KainD]

Because if there's one thing people in the rest of Thedas understand, it's that Tevinter is a terrible place to live. 

 

Oh, and btw, that's not true. And not for a mage for sure.

[LenaMarie]

Thanks for the replies, they really do make sense. I think I do recall Fenris saying they do enslave mages. It does seem pretty much unless your a Mage Hawke or "Hero of Fereldan" Mage, you couldnt cut it making a name for yourself in Tevinter. Most of these stupid mages we see in the games probaly couldn't handle surviving as a newbie in Tevinter. 

 

I personally sympathize with the Mages, and loathe most Templars but really, siding with Mages pretty much means the same thing as siding with the Templars; Killing stupid and weak mages anyway. That thing with Keeper Mariathari and Orsino pretty much made made shake my head and give on mages, both cases were very unnecessary and makes it hard to think mages have any hope if even the best of them do such stupid things.