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[Former_Fiend]

That's why I suggest every mage to get a gutt and head for Tevinter. Strengthening the country where mages can be free is the best every mage can do. There's no point trying to play nice and pushing for reforms, its time for war and a leap to try and secure the best life possible, or fail trying. Its not going to be easy, but its much better than waging war against the Templars which is both more dangerous and has no real future.

 

Ignoring, for a moment, that were every mage in Thedas to pick up and head to Tevinter, that the vast majority of them would wind up in worse conditions than they were in before, it's still a terrible plan because now you've done the rather convenient work of gathering up all your enemy's targets into one place. 

 

So now  you've created a situation where the Imperium is caught between the Andrastians to the south and the qunari to the north; the qunari, who up until this point have been allowing Tevinter to exist. But you've just added a vast flood of magic to the Tevinter arsenal; maybe enough that the qunari decide they're done playing around with the Imperium and move on it in force.

 

I'm sure that'll work out great for them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

That's what I would personally do though. 

 

I fully support you in your decision.

To the front lines with you!

[Incantrix]

Why do gay people in Russia and Uganda stay in a country where it carries the death penalty rather than moving to countries where it is legal and accepted? Money? Family ties? Restricted freedom of movement? Language/culture barriers? The idealism of standing up and being counted to fight an injustice in your own country, rather than 'escaping' to another? All of the above?

To be fair, the lgbt of Uganda don't have much room to just "go". Most people of Uganda are far too poor to just take a plane and everything they have and move to somewhere like south Africa.

Just saying...

[Former_Fiend]

To be fair, the lgbt of Uganda don't have much room to just "go". Most people of Uganda are far too poor to just take a plane and everything they have and move to somewhere like south Africa.

Just saying...

 

That's the point. The reason people who live in an area where they're oppressed don't just get up and leave is that they don't have the means to do so, short of getting up and walking, which is impractical for a plethora of reasons.

[KainD]

Ignoring, for a moment, that were every mage in Thedas to pick up and head to Tevinter, that the vast majority of them would wind up in worse conditions than they were in before, it's still a terrible plan because now you've done the rather convenient work of gathering up all your enemy's targets into one place.

So now you've created a situation where the Imperium is caught between the Andrastians to the south and the qunari to the north; the qunari, who up until this point have been allowing Tevinter to exist. But you've just added a vast flood of magic to the Tevinter arsenal; maybe enough that the qunari decide they're done playing around with the Imperium and move on it in force.

I'm sure that'll work out great for them.

Nah, I don't believe that Qunari are strong enough to defeat current imperium as is, otherwise I don't see why they haven't done so already. Also I think that a bunch of new mage recruits will make it even harder.

[KainD]

Keep lying to yourself. The Qunari don't outright crush the Imperium because they know they'd have the rest of Thedas to contend with. When they think they're strong enough to take the whole continent Tevinter will become New Qunandar. And this is coming from somebody who tries to view Tevinter as objectively as possible (hell, I would say I like Tevinter more than I dislike it).

Nah, doesn't make any sense. If that was the case they wouldn't wage war with Tevinter on a daily basis, but would gather strength first. Besides, its smarter to conquer one thing at a time, specially if you want to educate/indoctrinate conquered people into your system.

[Mistic]

Nah, I don't believe that Qunari are strong enough to defeat current imperium as is, otherwise I don't see why they haven't done so already. Also I think that a bunch of new mage recruits will make it even harder.

 

There's the distinct possibility of a meta-narrative explanation: the scenario of the Qunari finally pulling all their force in Tevinter is too juicy to leve it for the background. Especially when you have the option to set a game in that country at that very moment. DA4 or DA5 or DA13-II may happen in Tevinter during the new Qunari war.

[Eveangaline]

I highly doubt Tevinter enslaves mages, you could never trust them to not kill you with fire.

 

Did not remember fenris's sister...

 

Pretty dumb idea though...

 

Also didn't they try and capture and enslave feynriel? And he's an absurdly powerful mage.

[Mistic]

LOL Dragon Age XIII-2: now with more Tallis.

 

But of course! Tallis has to appear in such a game! Especially because maybe this time the PC will be able to stop her Qunari plans for good

[In Exile]

Hedge mages. And last I checked the Wild Witch Clan ain't nuthin' to eff with. It's as easy as picking a back water on the map (of which there are many) and scarring the p!ss out of superstitious locals so that they'll leave you alone. Or brew them love potions as Anders put it. Either one works.

 

Hedge mages are basically isolated witches (or warlocks), like in the old fairy tales. The isolationists are talking about hundreds or thousands of mage across Thedas. You'd have a mage every five miles if you tried to spread out that many. You'd basically stumble across five just on your way to the neighbouring down. Population density is the problem with that kind of isolation. 

And if the mages just run into the forest to create a mage utopia, even if it's in the middle of nowhere, they just ended up annexing a bunch of land. Which is a whole different problem. 

[LenaMarie]

Considering what most nations in Thedas think of Tevinter, I highly doubt they'd come to Tevinters aid. They may get nervous having Qunari border Nevarra and the Free Marches but I think its highly unlikely anyone would help Tevinter.

 

For the simple reason it'd be like China conquering North Korea. 1. It'd be costly to go up against such a power as the Qun and 2. Who cares if two 'bad guys' fight it out?

[Eveangaline]

Considering what most nations in Thedas think of Tevinter, I highly doubt they'd come to Tevinters aid. They may get nervous having Qunari border Nevarra and the Free Marches but I think its highly unlikely anyone would help Tevinter.

 

For the simple reason it'd be like China conquering North Korea. 1. It'd be costly to go up against such a power as the Qun and 2. Who cares if two 'bad guys' fight it out?

 

To be fair lots of people might care. People who think it's better the evil they know and can understand than one they don't. Religious leaders who think better to have ******* neighbors who at least know of andraste and follow the chant than heretical giants. Racial purists who think that if the lands start falling to non-humans they'll all be in danger.

[dragonflight288]

Ignoring, for a moment, that were every mage in Thedas to pick up and head to Tevinter, that the vast majority of them would wind up in worse conditions than they were in before, it's still a terrible plan because now you've done the rather convenient work of gathering up all your enemy's targets into one place. 

 

So now  you've created a situation where the Imperium is caught between the Andrastians to the south and the qunari to the north; the qunari, who up until this point have been allowing Tevinter to exist. But you've just added a vast flood of magic to the Tevinter arsenal; maybe enough that the qunari decide they're done playing around with the Imperium and move on it in force.

 

I'm sure that'll work out great for them.

 

I don't know. 

 

Tevinter has survived four exalted marches, and pushed back the Andrastian nations each time, often while also fighting the Qunari. 

[The Night Haunter]

The Orlesian and Tevinter Chantry put a hundred years of war and schism aside the first time they fought Qunari. Southern Thedas may give Tevinter the stink eye, but they're on much better terms than they were before the Qunari showed up. So yeah, if the Qunari sack Minrathous expect another Exalted March. 

 

And I'm pretty sure that Orlais would rather have the Tevinter Imperium shielding the rest of Thedas from the Qunari.

Except of course the rest of Thedas signed a peace treaty with the Qunari, while Tevinter decided against it. The longer the Qunari wait the more the other nations forget that peace treaty, it would have been smart to knock out Tevinter right after the treaty had they the opportunity to do so.

You keep saying everyone else is making assumptions and then stating your assumptions like they're facts, they aren't. We don't know how powerful the Qunari are at full strength. We do know they and the Tevinter have both been fighting over Seheron for decades We do know the Arishok himself died trying to take a pathetic little independent city called Kirkwall.

 

I personally believe the Qunari are holding back, but not for the reasons you state. I doubt the Qunari care what the nations of Thedas think, the Qunari only care about the Qun. I think they are waiting/holding back for reasons as yet unknown.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Exalted Marches against Tevinter and the Qunari Wars were over a hundred years apart. The Imerpium has never had to fight off invasions from the White Chantry nations and the Qunari at the same time. And they would be unlikely to ever need to do so given that the Qunari are the only think to ever get the Black and White Divine's to cooperate. Not even the darkspawn managed to do that.

[Dean_the_Young]

So I was thinking about this whole Mage Templar war business and then I started to wonder, why don't most mages all run off to Tevinter? Considering how much value they place on mages, it seems like a rather safe destination for a Mage  being hunted by the Templars for being an apostate.

 

But then most every mages walk around in robes with staves on their backs, so mages arent so smart to begin with I suppose. Mage Hawke and Bethany seemed the most smartest to me given they dont start off in robes and are clever enough to know how to deal with Templars.

 

Where's the plot hole?

 

You've identified something you don't understand (why mages wouldn't want to go to Tevinter), but not an actual plot contradiction.

[dragonflight288]

The Exalted Marches against Tevinter and the Qunari Wars were over a hundred years apart. The Imerpium has never had to fight off invasions from the White Chantry nations and the Qunari at the same time. And they would be unlikely to ever need to do so given that the Qunari are the only think to ever get the Black and White Divine's to cooperate. Not even the darkspawn managed to do that.

 

My bad. 

[Former_Fiend]

Nah, I don't believe that Qunari are strong enough to defeat current imperium as is, otherwise I don't see why they haven't done so already. Also I think that a bunch of new mage recruits will make it even harder.

 

Every first hand account we've had suggest that the only reason the Imperium still exists is because the qunari allow it; that's from soldiers on both sides of the fight. 

 

Your inability to see a reason behind the qunari doing it(the most logical being that they're using the Imperium as a giant training exorcise for their troops) is irrelevant. 

[KainD]

Every first hand account we've had suggest that the only reason the Imperium still exists is because the qunari allow it; that's from soldiers on both sides of the fight.

Can you provide some examples?

[Former_Fiend]

Can you provide some examples?

 

Sten and Fenris.

[The Ascendant]

A few problems with this.
1) How will mages actually get to Tevinter. It's not as if they can take a ship to Tevinter.
2) The Chantry would never permit it. Mages have been instrumental for the world's survival from the Blights to the Qunari wars.
3) Tevinters wouldn't be excited about a bunch of refugee mages taking up resources and space. Not all mages are powerful most would end up enslaved.
4) Tevinter is still preoccupied with the Qunari. If they diverted their attention to dealing with the fallout of accepting all those refugees the Qunari would conquer them.