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[KainD]

Sten and Fenris.

Oh please.. Not enough bias.

[Rosey]

Oh please.. Not enough bias.

You asked for examples of two separate sides views.

 

Fenris is from Tevinter, regardless of his hatred of mages. He hates mages because he knows how powerful they can be. If he says the Qunari can kick their rears, it's not because he thinks the Magisters are weak. If he thought that, he'd have zero reason to fear mages. He believes the Qunari can kick the ever loving crap out of Tevinter because the Qunari are stronger.

 

Sten is from Seharon. He's a member of the military branch of the Qun and has witnessed first hand the strength of the army. He's seen first hand the strength of Tevinter's Mages. He states quite clearly that the reason the Qunari aren't attacking is because it's not the smart route to go. Not because they couldn't win, but because in the process it would anger the Andrastians enough to send the whole of Thedas at them.

 

The White Divine doesn't like The Black Divine. Their opinions on Magic and what to do with it differ. It's semantics.

 

All Andrastians fear the Qunari. Their opinions on them do NOT differ. It's a real threat to their religion as a whole.

 

The White Divine might let the Blight ravage The Black Divine while amassing troops to keep a blight from spilling into  the rest of Thedas -- but NO Andrastians would allow any to be consumed by a  "Religion" outside their own, differing opinions on semantics aside.

 

 

It's not Bias if both sides agree upon the same outcome. The Qunari are the "Outsiders" when it comes down to it. Both sides of the Andrastian Schism would and have already proven to band together when it comes to the Qunari.

[Former_Fiend]

Oh please.. Not enough bias.

 

Well, according to your signature, they're right.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Considering the magisters would happily enslave rivals and second class mages at worst, I'd assume mage disneyland is not what it's cracked up to be.

[KainD]

Well, according to your signature, they're right.

My signature refers to subjective topics, not military strength math.

Tevinter fought off a bunch of exalted marches, which consisted of other thedas nations. How is it that it can't stand against Qunari, yet apparently Qunari can't fight off the other nations?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari fared better against the combined nations of Thedas than Tevinter by far. The Imperium was fighting within their own homeland and the Chantry armies were repeatedly at the gates Minrathous before they retreated.

 

The Qunari were aggressors. They were fighting on foreign soil for a century and a half and still fought the combined nations of both Tevinter and all it's enemies to a stalemate. The Chantry nations never managed to take the fight to the Qunari on their own turf and stopped the Exalted Marches against the Qunari because they were strained to the point of collapse. They stopped the Exalted Marches against the Imperium because of the Fourth Blight.

[MisterJB]

Tevinter is just a walking corpse that hasn't had the decency to lay down and perish. The Qunari will win the war, there's no doubt about it; and even if Tevinter won, any military effort committed and large enough to actually destroy the Qunari would all but drain the Imperium of whatever strength it had left, at which point the other nations in Thedas will completely dismantle it.

[The Ascendant]

Very true. And with no more Tevinter the Qunari can refocus their efforts to conquering the rest of the world.
Ataash Qunari!

[Mistic]

Tevinter is just a walking corpse that hasn't had the decency to lay down and perish. The Qunari will win the war, there's no doubt about it; and even if Tevinter won, any military effort committed and large enough to actually destroy the Qunari would all but drain the Imperium of whatever strength it had left, at which point the other nations in Thedas will completely dismantle it.

 

Unless Tevinter gets the benefit of a game's protagonist, that's it. Then it's the rest of Thedas I would fear for.

[Chari]

Why do gay people in Russia and Uganda stay in a country where it carries the death penalty rather than moving to countries where it is legal and accepted? Money? Family ties? Restricted freedom of movement? Language/culture barriers? The idealism of standing up and being counted to fight an injustice in your own country, rather than 'escaping' to another? All of the above?

There is no death penalty for being gay in Russia

[AkiKishi]

I think that's more a thing in arab countries.Moving is not quite as easy as just going somewhere new. Especially if there are groups with an active interest in stopping you.

[The Ascendant]

Unless Tevinter gets the benefit of a game's protagonist, that's it. Then it's the rest of Thedas I would fear for.

Truly there is no force in the gaming universe more powerful than a player character. 

[AkiKishi]

Truly there is no force in the gaming universe more powerful than a player character. 

 

Not true. The player character has no power unless the story gives it to them. DA2 was a good example of no matter what you did it never mattered.

[Mr.House]

Considering the magisters would happily enslave rivals and second class mages at worst, I'd assume mage disneyland is not what it's cracked up to be.

People like Kain like to forget this part and think Tevinter is a haven for mages, when it's really not.

[Mockingword]

Mages can still be enslaved in Tevinter, and the majority of mages raised outside of Tevinter don't want to go to a country like Tevinter because their culture values freedom of all people.

 

Wanting to be free =/= being cool with enslaving other people.

[Mockingword]

There is no death penalty for being gay in Russia

The punishment for being gay in Russia is that you have to live in Russia. 

[The Ascendant]

Not true. The player character has no power unless the story gives it to them. DA2 was a good example of no matter what you did it never mattered.

Oh yeah. I feel stupid all of a sudden. Oh well can't always be right.

[KainD]

People like Kain like to forget this part and think Tevinter is a haven for mages, when it's really not.

 

There is no Haven, but if I was a mage, there would be no other place I'd rather be. 

[Mr.House]

There is no Haven, but if I was a mage, there would be no other place I'd rather be. 

And then when you are enslaved by a more powerful mage who uses you for his own gain and then you end up being a blood magic vessel, you'll wish you never went to Tevinter.

[Mr.House]

Mages can still be enslaved in Tevinter, and the majority of mages raised outside of Tevinter don't want to go to a country like Tevinter because their culture values freedom of all people.

 

Wanting to be free =/= being cool with enslaving other people.

And holy crap, this is the first time I 100% agree with you too.

[KainD]

And then when you are enslaved by a more powerful mage who uses you for his own gain and then you end up being a blood magic vessel, you'll wish you never went to Tevinter.

 

Very unlikely. And that's not have slavery works in Tevinter, you don't just randomly get enslaved. 

[Mockingword]

And holy crap, this is the first time I 100% agree with you too.

Really.

 

Because I feel like I've had to explain this same thing to you and every other pro-templar poster I've ever met, with no success. 

[Mr.House]

Very unlikely. And that's not have slavery works in Tevinter, you don't just randomly get enslaved. 

Um, anyone can be enslaved in Tevinter, mages are not free from being enslaved. Do not even try to bring headcanon into this.

 

Really.

 

Because I feel like I've had to explain this same thing to you and every other pro-templar poster I've ever met, with no success. 

Except I'm not pro templar, supporting a system like the circle does not mean someone supports  the templars or approves of everything they do.

[KainD]

Um, anyone can be enslaved in Tevinter, mages are not free from being enslaved. Do not even try to bring headcanon into this.

 

There is no headcanon, do you know how slavery works? There was slavery in the roman empire, do you think that means that a wealthy man with a few troops can just pick a random person off the street and put a collar on them?