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[Excella Gionne]

Aside from his financial backing, Okeer used technology he acquired from the Collectors.

True, I forgot to mention that. That's also why Cerberus was interested in Okeer as well. Never knew the Collectors talked....

[KaiserShep]

Maybe it's like District 9, and some people somehow understand the clicking noise they make.

[Excella Gionne]

Maybe it's like District 9, and some people somehow understand the clicking noise they make.

I want to see that movie, but I never got around to it. I would imagine Harbinger speaking through them...but I think Harbinger's quite shy.

[Bardox9]

In the comic mini-series, I think it was Redemption, there is a collector who talks instead of just "clicks" when trying to claim Shepard's remains. And District 9 was kew  

[Obadiah]

Sabotaging the Cure does not automatically equal extinction for the Krogan. They may become a race of clones, but they will not go extinct. Regardless of your choice, the Krogan will continue via cure or cloning.

Yeah, I think they're survivors. I mean, they have the Genophage now and the Council is still afraid of them.

[KaiserShep]

There isn't much reason to fear them if the krogan are still stuck with the genophage, because after the war, they'd be in a worse state than before the war, because aside from the casualties they'd have to make up for, they're still demilitarized. Without key reformers aiming to keep the peace among themselves (Wrex dies no matter what and Eve will be at odds with Wreav if he's in charge of clan Urdnot if she survives), there's not much hope for them after that.

[Excella Gionne]

There isn't much reason to fear them if the krogan are still stuck with the genophage, because after the war, they'd be in a worse state than before the war, because aside from the casualties they'd have to make up for, they're still demilitarized. Without key reformers aiming to keep the peace among themselves (Wrex dies no matter what and Eve will be at odds with Wreav if he's in charge of clan Urdnot if she survives), there's not much hope for them after that.

That's what I've been saying most of the time...the demilitarized Krogan can't fight back regardless of a cured genophage or not.

[Obadiah]

That's what I've been saying most of the time...the demilitarized Krogan can't fight back regardless of a cured genophage or not.

They're deployed all over the galaxy, with plenty of opportunity to cause trouble, and they're still in the Blood Pack. Tuchanka is a wasteland, mostly, but the Krogan still have options. Even some Asari love them enough to marry them. They have allies, and the moral imperitive is now squarely on their side.

If Eve is still alive, then there is a cured Krogan female right there with a cure waiting to be emulated, and now hates humanity. If Maelon is still alive, there is another scientist willing to work to cure the Genophage. That's just 2 potentials that we know of out of ME3. Undoubtedly there are others.

It may take 1000 years, but the Genophage is just going to be cured, naturally or by someone else, and then the Krogan will be a problem for the people that oppressed them for so long.

[KaiserShep]

They're deployed all over the galaxy, with plenty of opportunity to cause trouble, and they're still in the Blood Pack. Tuchanka is a wasteland, mostly, but the Krogan still have options. Even some Asari love them enough to marry them. They have allies, and the moral imperitive is now squarely on their side.

It may take 1000 years, but the Genophage is just going to be cured, naturally or by someone else, and then the Krogan will be a problem for the people that oppressed them for so long.

 

The krogan are deployed primarily on Palaven and eventually Earth. Neither provide a good opportunity to cause trouble, because they would simply be wiped out, and that's that. Aside from the fact that the humans and turians edge them out technologically, the salarians and asari would put their alliance leagues above the krogan. The Blood Pack makes their case even worse, because no one likes this hodgepodge of vorcha and krogan, and there's simply not enough of them to be an issue for the major factions of the galaxy.

 

Anyway, the part I'm bolding here is where the problem lies. The salarians and turians are among the most valuable allies in all of galactic society. If the krogan decided to be a problem for either, they'd be doomed. The asari would definitely not abandon the salarians' scientific expertise or the turians' military might for sake of any "moral imperative", especially if the krogan actually did seek to cause trouble. If anything, the salarians would probably get to work on a more advanced, faster-killing strain of bioweapon and the turians would be ready to carpet bomb whatever rock they're hiding under. The humans simply wouldn't bother siding with the krogan on that matter if it came to that either. The krogan's list of allies depends entirely on being trouble for no one. If that were to change, they'd just be left with the dumb-as-rocks vorcha.

[Excella Gionne]

They're deployed all over the galaxy, with plenty of opportunity to cause trouble, and they're still in the Blood Pack. Tuchanka is a wasteland, mostly, but the Krogan still have options. Even some Asari love them enough to marry them. They have allies, and the moral imperitive is now squarely on their side.

It may take 1000 years, but the Genophage is just going to be cured, naturally or by someone else, and then the Krogan will be a problem for the people that oppressed them for so long.

I don't know about naturally though. They did use the modified genophage. Not sure if it was meant to be permanent unlike the first strain in which they did start to adapt to. The krogans do need help with transportation and all that other stuff, because they are demilitarized but why would they cause trouble? It depends on who's leading the krogan as well. All species will suffer a tremendous drop in their overall population, even the krogan. The krogans are dropped on only particular planets, and some on non-council race planets. There's actually not enough to cause major trouble, and the reapers would diminish their numbers from what they originally started out with. Palaven and Earth being the top 2 places where the krogans are most needed. The Blood Pack make up a minority and they act on their own accord.

 

I think we put in too many "what ifs" which is why this problem about the Genophage being cured and not is causing a lot of arguments and debates...they're all reasonable, but it's never going to end.

[Excella Gionne]

The most unethical action to take will be to destroy the relay in Aralakh. That would finish most of the krogan population, but it would also be a catastrophe. I'm amazed Shepard got off so easily. Wrex cares for the well-being of his people, and he knows they are vulnerable to anything the other species will do like when he confesses his concern about what the council might do that is possibly worse than the genophage should they rebel again. Wreav is stubborn, which is why he would be an easy target to destroy.

[KaiserShep]

Shepard had Hackett and Anderson's support regarding the reapers after the events of Arrival, which is why s/he gets off easy.

[Excella Gionne]

Shepard had Hackett and Anderson's support regarding the reapers after the events of Arrival, which is why s/he gets off easy.

The thing about that is that Hackett doesn't take responsibility for sending Shepard in there. 

[KaiserShep]

The thing about that is that Hackett doesn't take responsibility for sending Shepard in there. 

 

Yeah, that always bugged me, but I suppose that's one of the perks about being in power. Hackett doesn't take responsibility if he sends some Alliance marines there either, and they die in the process. Too bad there wasn't some space paparazzi to snap some photos of him entering a Cerberus frigate.

[Excella Gionne]

Yeah, that always bugged me, but I suppose that's one of the perks about being in power. Hackett doesn't take responsibility if he sends some Alliance marines there either, and they die in the process.

That's a pain in the quarian bum bum. He still blows up the relay regardless of Shepard helping or not, and yet, he'd not discharged. I believe the Fifth Fleet or the 105th fleet has a weakened asset if Arrival was never done.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

That's a pain in the quarian bum bum. He still blows up the relay regardless of Shepard helping or not, and yet, he'd not discharged. I believe the Fifth Fleet or the 105th fleet has a weakened asset if Arrival was never done.

105th Marines or something. 

As if the Alliance and 105 fleets. 

[Obadiah]

Any further cure is not going to be the insta-cure that the Genopage cure is in ME3, so yeah, the Krogan would have to bide their time until they seek vengeance. Any open conflict the Krogan start, they'd probably lose, and they know the Council is already willing to use bioweapons on them. Vengeance would be more... subtle. Using their new power to support Council enemies, etc.

The really scarey scenario is not if the Krogan go to war, its if the Krogan deploy a bioweapon similar to the Genophage on the other species, AND THEN go to war.

[KaiserShep]

Subtlety is not a strong suit of the krogan. Provided that they don't tear themselves apart fighting over fertile females and succumb to their fatalistic outlook that has been making their numbers dwindle since the events of ME1 as a result of the genophage's influence, it's a rather steep, uphill battle if they're incapable of freely procreating, one that they would likely lose.

[Excella Gionne]

All of this is like hurting my head. So many scenarios... :-/ Krogans aren't known for their subtlety... Their numbers are particularly small and have been decreasing ever since the genophage, and with the reaper war, it doesn't help either. There are other areas to focus on than just revenge, and if the genophage is cured, the galaxy will be keeping a very strict eye on them. 

[Deathsaurer]

The krogan are deployed primarily on Palaven

They all died by the time Priority Earth rolled around. All of them. As per Victus they fought to the last man. I doubt they fared much better on other worlds they were deployed on.

[Obadiah]

The scenarios I'm throwing out there are all head-cannon obviously. It can get worse (think ME1 Balak and the asteroid to Tera Nova, or terrorist acts against enemy children). If the Krogan race just dies, as it dies they could so some really bad acts while the galaxy is still a mess. To me, the Genophage was already a festering wound waiting to explode (Mordin's loyalty mission showed how it could). Tricking them in ME3 just empowers the more vengeful leaders and radicalizes their culture even more.

Whatever the Krogan do, it won't be worse than the Reaper invasion.

[KaiserShep]

They all died by the time Priority Earth rolled around. All of them. As per Victus they fought to the last man. I doubt they fared much better on other worlds they were deployed on.

 

I forgot about that. That certainly paints an even grimmer picture of their fate if they don't have the genophage cured.

[Excella Gionne]

I believe the Primarch said that they fought bravely to the last soldier. I think it's pretty much clear about what happened to the krogan reinforcements. They're already losing a lot in other places, and with "Taking back Earth" they will lose more. And like I've always said, there's not enough children being born to replace lost krogans, because the genophage is slowly killing their numbers, in a few thousand years, they will become endangered.

 

I'm gonna use the Japanese as example, but the situation doesn't apply, but the outcome kinda does relate: In Japan, there are fewer children being born every year. Japan's fertility rate is dropping to as low as the death rate. There are too few young men and women to replace old workers. The way an economy stays alive is to have younger generations succeed over the older generations, but because the younger generation are pursuing their goals and such in life they don't have time for family. The average age for a couple to start a family is within the mid 30's to 40's. Japan's population is pretty large, but it's declining also.

 

This doesn't apply to anything the krogans have, but it's kinda like an analogy at best.

[Bardox9]

When did Victus say all the Krogan on Palaven died?? Only time I remember him say "fought to the last man" was when he was commenting to Shepard on why he wanted to stay with his men instead of going to the war summit.

[Deathsaurer]