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[DeinonSlayer]

He-he-he. True enough! Tevos needed to make plans for the continuity of her species... Shepard should have slapped her right through the QEC!

Too busy slapping himself, I guess.

...that metaphor just went somewhere horrible.

[KaiserShep]

With holographic technology that advanced, it's actually feasible.

[Excella Gionne]

With holographic technology that advanced, it's actually feasible.

Probably, but what I don't understand is, how the heck did everyone afford QECs?

[grey_wind]

This problem also seems to lie with the salarian that provides the cure in the first place. I suppose the writers could have Wrex propose whatever they want him to, but should he be able to have Mordin just whip up a genophage-lite just like that? From what he tells us, modifying the genophage was very complex, and required lots of work with an entire team, and it even ran the risk of sterilizing them completely. In this case, he's killing the infection altogether.

You could always handwave it with a prototype modification project that got scrapped because high command didn't think of it as a priority. The writers already circumvented the fact that a cure should reasonably take years of work and at least dozens of scientists. 

[TheTurtle]

Lol, Tevos was the reason why ME3 didn't end faster, not that I would have wanted it to, but still, she killed Thessia.

[KaiserShep]

Probably, but what I don't understand is, how the heck did everyone afford QECs?

The Cerberus Wireless section of Best Buy is pretty fantastic.

[Excella Gionne]

The Cerberus Wireless section of Best Buy is pretty fantastic.

He-he-he! I guess the devs weren't paying attention to EDI's explanation of Quantum Entanglement Communicators and their expense. It seems you could do it through Omni-tool as well.

[Kabooooom]

Probably, but what I don't understand is, how the heck did everyone afford QECs?

Who's everyone? The Normandy has like three installed which connect to Hackett, Anderson on Earth, and the Council (the dalatrass presumably used this one too as otherwise having one for her would make no sense). Remember, Anderson was planning on using the ship as a mobile command center during a situation when he knew galactic communication would be disrupted without QEC's.

I can only remember the Alliance, the Council, Hackett, and TIM possessing QEC's for sure. And all four aren't exactly lacking in money. On Earth, there were only a handful spread across continents. All indications are that the technology WAS quite rare.

[themikefest]

Probably, but what I don't understand is, how the heck did everyone afford QECs?

The goodbyes in London where apparently every ME2 squadmate is carrying a protable QEC. And the guy is  able to hook you up with that particular squadmate without knowing where he or she is. I guess he used the QEC yellow pages

[Obadiah]

I figured the holograms were generated with communication that was non QEC.

[Kabooooom]

I figured the holograms were generated with communication that was non QEC.

This. Pretty much every squad mate was participating in the battle for Earth as far as I can remember. If not, then yeah that'd make no sense as the comm buoys had all been destroyed and intersystem communication without QEC's would be impossible.

[Excella Gionne]

The goodbyes in London where apparently every ME2 squadmate is carrying a protable QEC. And the guy is able to hook you up with that particular squadmate without knowing where he or she is. I guess he used the QEC yellow pages

Hahaha! Don't forget about Aria's assistant when Aria needed the asari councilor in Purgatory.

[themikefest]

Hahaha! Don't forget about Aria's assistant when Aria needed the asari councilor in Purgatory.

Forgot about that. 

 

I can see the next game with everyone having a protable QEC

[Kabooooom]

Hahaha! Don't forget about Aria's assistant when Aria needed the asari councilor in Purgatory.

Wait, how does holographic display = QEC? I totally didn't interpret that scene as Aria having a QEC. She just used traditional communication to get her assistant on the line, with a holographic display. Holographic displays are seen all throughout Mass Effect.

It is also suggested that QEC tech takes up a decent amount of space, since every time you see one, they are associated with collateral tech equipment, etc. - with the exception of the TIM-to-Normandy QEC, the tech of which I always assumed was located beneath the flooring. Which is why I always assumed that a portion of the Normandy flight deck in ME3 is now occupied with QEC tech and is inaccessible (the War Room doesn't take up all of the space that the weapon lab previously occupied if you look at the map, only about half).

So, I don't think the what we are shown supports that QEC tech is portable, and I also don't think they retconned this, as again - a holographic display does not equal QEC.

[SporkFu]

Forgot about that. 

 

I can see the next game with everyone having a protable QEC

TIM's master plan isn't all that hard to figure out. 

1 . Patent the QEC technology.

2 . Sell the design to salarians, so they can figure out how to cheaply mass produce it.

3 . Use profits to fund war effort.

4 . Money from royalties allow the quote, "Cerberus is an idea and that idea is not so easily destroyed." to be actual truth. 

[Excella Gionne]

Wait, how does holographic display = QEC? I totally didn't interpret that scene as Aria having a QEC. She just used traditional communication to get her assistant on the line, with a holographic display. Holographic displays are seen all throughout Mass Effect.

It is also suggested that QEC tech takes up a decent amount of space, since every time you see one, they are associated with collateral tech equipment, etc. - with the exception of the TIM-to-Normandy QEC, the tech of which I always assumed was located beneath the flooring. Which is why I always assumed that a portion of the Normandy flight deck in ME3 is now occupied with QEC tech and is inaccessible (the War Room doesn't take up all of the space that the weapon lab previously occupied if you look at the map, only about half).

So, I don't think the what we are shown supports that QEC tech is portable, and I also don't think they retconned this, as again - a holographic display does not equal QEC.

If they were only contacting her, they would have used a digital Omni-tool screen like when Wrex or Wreav contacts Shepard about getting Eve out of the Sur'Kesh base due to Cerberus attacks. Other than that, the only way to achieve the holographic interface like that would be to use a QEC.

[Kabooooom]

If they were only contacting her, they would have used a digital Omni-tool screen like when Wrex or Wreav contacts Shepard about getting the Eve out of the Sur'Kesh base due to Cerberus attacks. Other than that, the only way to achieve the holographic interface like that would be to use a QEC.

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense and the game itself provides examples that prove it wrong. First off, the reason it doesnt make sense is because a holographic interface is just a way to display visual data. All the QEC does is transmit data. You could display it in any fashion you wanted, it doesn't have to be holographic.

You see examples of non-QEC real-time holographic displays all throughout the ME trilogy - the holo displays for the Council in ME1, for example. That alone is enough to demonstrate that not only QEC's have a holographic display for communication. But, for thoroughness, holo displays are literally seen all over the place in Mass Effect. Even the omnitool display itself is holographic, although it is a flat holographic display. You see multiple examples of three dimensional holographic images throughout the entire trilogy.

So yeah, there is no reason to think that Aria is communicating to the Asari councillor with a QEC. More than likely it is analogous to a portable version of the real-time holo Council display that you use in ME1 (and ME2, although I always kill the Council so I never see that scene).

[Excella Gionne]

You know, playing through Mordin's Loyalty mission does bring up a lot of insight on the genophage. You hear how unethical it was, but how desperate the genophage was needed. Sure, I get that, and even if I did feel like I was doubting myself for a moment there, I wasn't gonna change my answer though. 

[Excella Gionne]

Sorry, but that doesn't make sense and the game itself provides examples that prove it wrong. First off, the reason it doesnt make sense is because a holographic interface is just a way to display visual data. All the QEC does is transmit data. You could display it in any fashion you wanted, it doesn't have to be holographic.

You see examples of non-QEC real-time holographic displays all throughout the ME trilogy - the holo displays for the Council in ME1, for example. That alone is enough to demonstrate that not only QEC's have a holographic display for communication. But, for thoroughness, holo displays are literally seen all over the place in Mass Effect. Even the omnitool display itself is holographic, although it is a flat holographic display. You see multiple examples of three dimensional holographic images throughout the entire trilogy.

So yeah, there is no reason to think that Aria is communicating to the Asari councillor with a QEC. More than likely it is analogous to a portable version of the real-time holo Council display that you use in ME1 (and ME2, although I always kill the Council so I never see that scene).

It's never mentioned in ME1 on what they use other than that it's a communicator. QECs connect with one another, because there's too much bandwidth if they are to be connected with several other QECs out there. QECs connect with one another regardless of their distance. There's no way the Councilors would be able to contact Shepard without a QEC device, because Shepard is light years away from them whenever they do contact Shepard. 

[Kabooooom]

It's never mentioned in ME1 on what they use other than that it's a communicator. QECs connect with one another, because there's too much bandwidth if they are to be connected with several other QECs out there. QECs connect with one another regardless of their distance. There's no way the Councilors would be able to contact Shepard without a QEC device, because Shepard is light years away from them whenever they do contact Shepard.

No, man, you've got a lot incorrect here. Id suggest reading the codex entries again and watching videos of in-game dialogue about it. First off, QECs physically cannot be connected to any other. It has nothing to do with bandwidth. It has to do with entangled pairs of particles- there can be only two, thus a QEC is like a telephone that can only connect to one number. That is the whole point of a QEC-it is the entanglement that allows instantaneous communication (although in the real world, this is actually impossible with quantum mechanics).

Secondly, the entire galaxy is connected via comm buoys. I think you may be forgetting about that, and consequently assumed that all communication at great distance requires QECs. But it doesnt. Comm buoys are essentially like miniature relays, in that they create a corridor of mass-free space. But, they can essentially only allow photons through. Thus, a radiowave signal, for example, can be propagated across the entire galaxy, regardless of distance, because of the near instaneous connections between comm buoys. The Reapers systematically destroy these whenever they enter a system, causing entire star systems to go dark - cut off from the galaxy. Presumably, every settled star system has comm buoys to enable communication with the extranet. That is how Shepard can talk to the Council, despite being light years away from them. It isn't quantum entanglement. Comm buoys are also what essentially allows the extranet to exist. Throughout the entire series, characters in the game can be overheard talking about this sort of communication. A salarian in the hotel on Noveria, for example, is talking to his brother, and comments on the expense of contacting him from the Traverse.

You can look up the codex entries for QECs, comm buoys, and the extranet if you think I have my lore wrong .

Also, while you are technically correct that they didn't say that the communication with the Council in ME1 *wasnt* a QEC, it can be deduced that it isn't based on all the codex entries in ME1 describing how rapid galactic communication works with comm buoys/the extranet. You can also deduce that it wasn't a QEC because Shepard asks EDI for clarification on what a QEC actually is in ME2, as he seemed to be introduced to the concept when he encountered the QEC on the Normandy SR2.

[KaiserShep]

The writers went a bit nuts with how the reapers severed communications in the codex. On Earth, the reapers somehow knew about the undersea fiber optic cables and cut all of them on top of wiping out every satellite in orbit.

[SporkFu]

The writers went a bit nuts with how the reapers severed communications in the codex. On Earth, the reapers somehow knew about the undersea fiber optic cables and cut all of them on top of wiping out every satellite in orbit.

Reaperfied hanar, man. We just never saw them. 

[Kabooooom]

The writers went a bit nuts with how the reapers severed communications in the codex. On Earth, the reapers somehow knew about the undersea fiber optic cables and cut all of them on top of wiping out every satellite in orbit. With how thorough they seemed to be, how the frak did Anderson continue to talk to anyone beyond the Sol system?

I always just assumed he was relaying and receiving information via a QEC with Hackett primarily. He didn't seem to talk with Shep that much, and there must have been a second QEC for that, because as I pointed out to Excella above, they allow point-to-point communication only, that's how they work.

So, my explanation for that would be periodic updates with Hackett via QEC. In fact, whenever Anderson mentions information that you had not told him and he couldn't possibly know (like the Kahlee situation, for example), he always says that Hackett told him that info and never anyone else.

EDIT: ah, I see you changed your post to remove the question about Anderson. I'll probably just leave this post anyways as it is somewhat relevant to the discussion. Which has become pretty tangential...

[KaiserShep]

After I finished typing, I realized that Anderson did have access to a QEC. I assume any incoming communication to his apartment was patched through the Normandy as well.