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[Red Panda]

I'm not one to speak negatively most of the time, but I really have to make this distinction.

 

The Lancer is better than the CSMG.

 

First, they have exactly the same accuracy.

 

 

-special thanks to video author, capn223

 

Since stability is easily negated it is a negligible issue.

 

Second, the Lancer at max level with an ammo clip, holds more rounds than the CSMG.

 

Third, while the CSMG has a bonus against armor, the damage gap can easily be reduced with consumables to everything dies pretty quick anyway.

 

Fourth, both work on power spamming classes.

 

I suppose you could say it's comparing apples to oranges, but if you have the AR amps, there's really no need to use the CSMG, which is the poor man's version of the lancer unless you're overflowing with those SMG amps.

[capn233]

^Hard to argue with something that is right justified.

 

Mainly because it is hard to read.

[capn233]

CSMG actually has worse accuracy than Lancer.  The Lancer has much worse stability.

 

CSMG has a bit better armor DPS.  Lancer does better DPS to health, shields and barriers.

 

Lancer has lower ROF and is better for priming chance based ammo.  CSMG is arguably better for Incendiary glitch due to higher ROF.

[NuclearTech76]

CSMG is better for me personally. Similar damage to health, better burst damage to armor, better array of mods for power spammers, lighter setup for piercing and ammo application builds.

[RealKobeBean]

Well, I am one of those guys that's overflowing with SmG rail amps

[Das Rouse]

One is way lighter than the other, only one can use a power mag.

My point being depending on the class, I think the CMSG is better on certain kits IMO. Soldier class, it's the Lancer. Infiltrators, mostly the Lancer, except for the Huntress. Sentinels, I'd go Lancer except for the Valkyrie and maybe the Paladin (depending on the build of course). I currently use the CSMG on the Collector and the Krogan Shaman. I am sure I can use a few others like the ones I mentioned above.

To wrap this up or TLDR; The Lancer on paper is better, but certain right kits/builds I still prefer the CSMG for them

[NuclearTech76]

CSMG actually has worse accuracy than Lancer.  The Lancer has much worse stability.

 

CSMG has a bit better armor DPS.  Lancer does better DPS to health, shields and barriers.

 

Lancer has lower ROF and is better for priming chance based ammo.  CSMG is arguably better for Incendiary glitch due to higher ROF.

The heavier piercing barrel is going to add weight for the Lancer for an ammo application setup.

[capn233]

The heavier piercing barrel is going to add weight for the Lancer for an ammo application setup.

 

Guess you can use AR Piercing if that matters.

 

I just dual wield them so it doesn't matter to me

[LemurFromTheId]

Since stability is easily negated it is a negligible issue.

 

Second, the Lancer at max level with an ammo clip, holds more rounds than the CSMG.

 

Third, while the CSMG has a bonus against armor, the damage gap can easily be reduced with consumables to everything dies pretty quick anyway.

 

Fourth, both work on power spamming classes.

 

I suppose you could say it's comparing apples to oranges, but if you have the AR amps, there's really no need to use the CSMG, which is the poor man's version of the lancer unless you're overflowing with those SMG amps.

 

These are some really, really stupid arguments.

 

1) Stability can be managed but not easily negated without using mods, gear or consumables that prevent you from using other mods, gear or consumables.

 

2) These weapons have different stats all over the board. You can't pick one and say one's better than the other because of it. Is GPR better than Lancer because it holds more rounds? Nope.

 

3) WTF? Everything dies so fast anyway that even if Lancer was worse, it doesn't matter, so Lancer is better?

 

4) Sure... but how does that make Lancer better?

[HoochieHamiltoe]

Dumb thread.

 

Agreed. I thought we already established the CSMG is far superior.

[Loufi]

No, because the CSMG is lighter, has by far less recoil and can be equiped with a Power Magnifier. It's a good weapon for all casters.

 

I see more the Lancer as a niche gun. I kinda like it on the Turian sentinel and the Cabal but, for a lot of others kits with whom I don't care too much about cooldowns, I don't see any reason to use it over a Harrier, a PPR or a Typhoon, except for variety.

[Saints]

Alright people always remember. If you have a CSMG without equipment, it is worse than your lancer with equipment.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Agreed. I thought we already established the CSMG is far superior.

But that was in a different thread. Who knows what conclusion this thread will come to?

[LemurFromTheId]

But that was in a different thread. Who knows what conclusion this thread will come to?

 

What, you think there has only been one thread before this?

[DisturbedPsic0]

Lancer is hands down the better gun on all classes *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*All classes meaning Turians on PC, otherwise the CSMG has plenty of classes where it can perform better than the Lancer

[Garrus1138]

The CSMG is better on casters because of weight and mods, but I really like both guns.

[megabeast37215]

Obvious troll thread. 2/10.. would not bang.

[Lucky]

Neither makes the other obsolete.

 

Personally, I like the Lancer better than the CSMG because the Lancer has more consistent damage to different defenses, the CSMG sounds like a pea shooter and I don't like how the CSMG's targeting reticle doesn't show you its spread. 

 

The only time I prefer the CMSG is on classes where I don't much care about my gun and the lightness/power amp give it the edge. Though I do have 255 SMG amp 3's and only 30 AR amp 3's so maybe I should use it more because of that

[Kinom001]

This argument == Deja vu'

 

Anyway, like many things this is situational. If I'm worried about cool down, powers and ammo power application then I'm taking the CSMG. If I need more punch I'll take the Lancer.

 

Personally I love them both.

[LemurFromTheId]

Personally, I like the Lancer better than the CSMG because the Lancer has more consistent damage to different defenses

 

That's really weird argument. They both do 100% damage to shields and barriers. If you're talking about armor, well, most things that have armor have lots of it, so having an armor damage bonus just means that relatively speaking CSMG doesn't suck against armor as much as most weapons do.

[Kurt M.]

To be fair, the point 3) is unfair. Tests should be done in equality of conditions, not one with consumables, and another without....

 

It's like if I test a single Talon vs a Predator pistol with Warp ammo IV...

[Lucky]

That's really weird argument. They both do 100% damage to shields and barriers. If you're talking about armor, well, most things that have armor have lots of it, so having an armor damage bonus just means that relatively speaking CSMG doesn't suck against armor as much as most weapons do.

By consistent damage I am referring to the fact that the Lancer does equal damage to all defense where the CSMG does much less to anything that isn't armor. Also, it wasn't intended as an argument. I was just saying why I like one over the other in most cases.

[Papa5murf]

I've tried both weapons extensively on multiple classes, and i don't care what anyone else says, for ME it's not even a close contest.

CSMG > Lancer.

[Melee or Die]

My well constructed thoughts/arguments:

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

What, you think there has only been one thread before this?

Without taking the trouble to read a bunch of old garbage - because I can barely keep up with all the new garbage - I'm working on the assumptin that it's been repeated about every 5 days since the dawn of time.

 

Like nearly every other thread here.