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[Firndeloth]

rjeid wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

*reads all former posts...sees no insult toward anyone, yet I was called retarted, stupid, and a troll, among other things*

I called you no names, though. I'm not speaking for anybody else but me.

Heehee. Yes. Stick to your guns. There is no honor among forum-goers.  No worries, I wasn't trying to single you out earlier.

Modifié par Firndeloth, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:00 .

[jselene]

DeathCultArm wrote...

*reads all former posts...sees no insult toward anyone, yet I was called retarted, stupid, and a troll, among other things*

You joined a thread just to say "stfu" and complain about the possibility that some dev might actually listen to player feedback.  And you do this a lot on these threads.  No persecution complex, plz.  But on the other hand, crying "troll!" at someone is hostile.  *sigh*Let's keep this friendly, yeah?  

[eweandwhosearmy]

*sigh* okay, I get the feeling like this thing will get shut down soon enough, but I just wanted to have my say real quick in case the Devs end up reading all of this:

First off, I don't even KNOW for sure whether all this "there's no gay LIs!!!" stuff holds any water, but my post will be under the assumption that it is, in fact, true.

So basically I'm a young queer girl, came out for real a couple years ago and since then (and before, really) I've been soaking up just about anything with any kind of LGBT visibility. I mean, TV, books, movies - whatever. But it's always been especially gratifying when I see representation in the media that I enjoy most; and being a huge nerd that means comic books and video games. So, initially the prospect of an F/F (more or less) romance in ME1 was really what made me decide to give it a shot.

And through that I discovered what's been probably the best game I've ever played. I loved everything about it. The writing was incredible, but more than that it was super fun and in-depth. I really felt like I'd created my OWN Shepherd. I was a bit bummed at the lack of Male/Male romance at first, but was willing to take what I could get. Figured Bioware was just testing the waters.

Then Dragon Age came out. HOLY CRAP, AMAZING GAME. And even better! Actual human females being in love! Male/Male romance for the first time (that I was aware of) since Fable II! It was great. Seeing this stuff in the games felt amazing. It was important to me. It's still important to me. Being queer is as much a part of me as being a woman, or a gamer, or a comic book geek, or Latina, or any other of the dozens of things I Am.

I was really looking forward to an experience like I had with these previous Bioware titles in ME2. I got an early pre-order of the ME2 CE and I've been highly anticipating this game for a while now. But honestly I'm going to be significantly disappointed if there are no same-sex relationship options in ME2. It won't make or break the game for me, but it WILL really discourage me. Would I have bought the game so willingly had I known that there would be this giant step-back in representation beforehand? I don't know. It's really kind of squashed my anticipation of the game. I think I would have bought it eventually anyway, but the thing is I would have had to THINK about it instead of my initial reaction of "holy **** i have to get $70 to preorder this game!"

I dunno. I have faith in Bioware, I guess. They're one of the most progressive companies out there. Wouldn't make much sense for this GIGANTIC step backwards, right? So, I'll put the pitchforks down and hold out. Hopefully some Devs will get in here sooner or later and add something substantial to the shouting-matches here and we'll at least get some straight answers.

Pun intended.

Sorry for the Mega-sized post. My philosophical nerding reaches its peak around midnight. 

[jlb524]

eweandwhosearmy wrote...

Sorry for the Mega-sized post. My philosophical nerding reaches its peak around midnight. 

Don't be sorry!  Your post was definitely worth reading  

[biddypocket]

So, I'm new to the forums (and Mass Effect...got it a few days ago, beat it, on playthough 2 starting at level 50 ) but I've been looking for a place to put my two cents in about this issue. Indeed, I could probably type a multi-page response to everything said here that would probably shut a lot of people up, but I just don't feel like it. So, here's what I think about the topic:

Bioware opened the doors to romance options in their games. They may not have been the first, but certainly this is a newer option for gamers in general (like, within the past few years). Now, if you're going to have hetero-focused romance options in your game, and completely omit the ability for same-sex options, then you must deal with the consequences - and, hopefully, Bioware will. Whether it was the writers, developers, Bioware itself as a copmany , or EA, smoeone down the line decided that romance options would be heterosexual.

Now, to all of those who simply say "This is just a game, stfu, quit whining," and so on - you must realize one thing. Most people probably wouldn't give a crap had the developers not included a romance option in th first place. But guess what - they did, and gay gamers (including myself), specifically gay men,  were kinda pissed that "their" shepherd, whose life history they decided, appearance they designed, and attitude they manipulated, could not be anything but a big old hetero. Not only that, but they HAD to engage in on-screen heterosexual activity in order to unlock the romance achievement, and though not required to complete the game, it certainly adds more to the Mass Effect experience. So, for all the "haters" out there, put yourself in our shoes. Imagine having to watch Shep and Kaiden get it on in order to fully experience the game. Gross, right? Yeah, well I feel the same way about having to watch straight characters get it on as well (I left my adorable little Sheppy a single gay man for this exact purpose).

Long story short, when gamers play games it's to escape reality, have some fun, and emmerse themselves in a truly engaging experience. Instead, while playing this game I was simply reminded that yes, I'm still a minority, and that even across various solar systems thousands of years in the future, I'm still oppressed. Of course most people could care less about this issue, but then again they're probably part of the white, male, heterosexual, middle-to-upper class majority. There's really a much deeper sociological meaning to all of this, but I wont bother getting into it on here. Those are my two cents. I apologize if I "trolled" here (to be honest, I don't spend a lot of time on forums and don't know what that means) but I feel that this needed to be said.

I just really hope that someone form Bioware will actually read this and take it to heart.

[Mox Ruuga]

Like I wrote on another thread:

In ME2, lots of people got their wishes. Garrus fans got a romance. Tali fans got a romance. The b00bs people got their wish. Even the female fans who complained how the asari were nothing but fanservice were catered to, by being given their own fanservice race, the drell.

About the only ones who were steadily ignored were the fans who wished for a m/m romance. But that doesn't mean Bioware forgot. Oh no, they even the stakes there by classily removing the existing f/f option from the game.

[biddypocket]

ipwndk wrote...

I agree with biddypocket. That Shepard can only be roleplayed as being a heterosexual is sad, as it excludes a great deal of people. However, I do not think one can demand characters to be tailored to all and every taste out there. So it might be that there are no homosexual relationships, but the ability to attempt said relationships should be included. It would help flesh out the world for those homosexual players that enjoy the titles.

Even still, if that were the case, the ME team would still get flack for not taking that extra step. Who knows, hopefully we can all just hope that they at least monitor the discussions in these parts and realize that they made a big boo-boo.

[Some_Other]

A little heart next to dialogue that could lead to flirting and romance with the character you're interacting with would make sure no-one who didn't want to see F/F or M/M stuff could avoid it, even a little relationships slider in the options menu that enabled various settings like relationships off, on and dis/enabled same sex would solve all of this. If you turned/clicked on either you knew what you were getting into and couldn't complain that it was in your game. The people who want it would be happy, the people who didn't would be happy cos they wouldn't see it unless they chose to.



Anyone who complains about something optional existing could disable the option, the people who want something can have it and the character of Shepard would only be seen as gay by the people for whom it is no issue and would not negatively affect the franchise.



Then all the people who hate these posts but can't help clicking on them could relax because there would be no posts, problem solved.

[Lopake]

bump

[X_Vannoy_X]

I don't get the problem if its optional then great if now i could careless,

[DiggingistDog]

I feel sorry for all the pretty horses that get beaten to death on this forum.