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[WildOrchid]

Fereldan this, Orlesian that...give me a Rivani or Nevarran.

 

This. Especially a Rivaini. Everything is about fereldan, i'm quite tired of it.

[jlb524]

I think everyone will be Ferelden as that's where the big Fadesplosion happens to start off the game (and Cassandra finds you there).

 

The PC probably won't be an attendee at the meeting.  I'm thinking they were just in the area for some reason and got caught in it.

[MisterJB]

I was referring to Chevaliers, actually.

 

This is Thedas; our mentor figure doesn't care in the sligthest what happens to use or our family until we reveal ourselves to be Grey Warden material.

I don't think that killing a couple of elves even put you in the running for "worst person ever".
 

[Al Foley]

 

One theory I've seen posted before for why the player character probably won't be Orlesian, is that the game is largely set in Orlais and the player isn't familiar with the nation. By having the player character come from a nation other than Orlais, he or she doesn't seem like a dunce for needing info dumps about Orlesian culture, important Orlesian characters, or on locations within the country.

 

I thought that was as good an explanation as any. Of course you also wouldn't necessarily need a character from Ferelden to achieve that. The same could be achieved with a Nevarran, or a Tevinter, or someone from the Anderfels, ect., ect.

 

Of course such a protagonist does not even have to be Orlesian.   I do suspect that a lot of people in Orlais may be too busy surviving rather then fully basking in the culture.  Or too busy doing other stuff.  Either way I wouldn't rule out us being Orlesian based on that information alone. 

[Ryzaki]

I *like* the human PC constantly being from Fereldan.

 

That and a lot of the Orlesian accents turn me off. Having to hear that all game would probably result in a no buy from me.

[mikeymoonshine]

I would rather be Ferelden again than Orleasian but then I am a little tired of wet dog comments. I quite like the noble trope for humans tbh, it's really a more interesting perspective for a human than just a commoner, especially if it gives you more options with other nobles. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is Thedas; our mentor figure doesn't care in the sligthest what happens to use or our family until we reveal ourselves to be Grey Warden material.

I don't think that killing a couple of elves even put you in the running for "worst person ever".
 

Duncan saves the Dalish Elf long before the Warden discussion comes up. 

 

And that's the least Chevaliers do. There are also all the horror stories of them stealing, raping, and killing innocent Orlesians.

[Torayuri]

Hmm. My first human female Inquisitor will be Rivaini, like the one in the inauguration concept art. I hope that if anything, they just establish that we're not Orlesian so that we could be from anywhere else and info dumps won't look strange.

[Sylvianus]

nvd ( don't know what happened with my post... ) 

[Lenimph]

I like how you mention Leliana, a woman who identifies herself as Ferelden.

She only identifies as Ferelden by birth, and apparently she looks very Ferelden. I guess all the red heads are in Ferelden?  But everyone who grew up in Ferelden would very much call her Orlesian. And she doesn't deny being Orlesian... I mean seriously you can't with that accent.

 

She's both yo but mostly Orlesian.

[MisterJB]

Duncan saves the Dalish Elf long before the Warden discussion comes up. 

 

And that's the least Chevaliers do. There are also all the horror stories of them stealing, raping, and killing innocent Orlesians.

Duncan's reaction to the city elves being kidnapped was "Lol, not my problem". And one could argue that he threatened to abandon Cousland and Aeducan if they refused to join.

 

There's plenty of stories of city guard abusing their authority to commit all of those crimes; the only difference is that the Chevaliers can do them legally which is a problem with the system, not the Chevaliers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Duncan's reaction to the city elves being kidnapped was "Lol, not my problem". And one could argue that he threatened to abandon Cousland and Aeducan if they refused to join.

 

There's plenty of stories of city guard abusing their authority to commit all of those crimes; the only difference is that the Chevaliers can do them legally which is a problem with the system, not the Chevaliers.

Because the Wardens can'y get involved in political affairs. They are neutral. Post-Blight it is different apparently but at the time the Warden's couldn't. Plus Duncan gives the City Elf a sword to rescue his bride, so he helps.

 

And people abusing the system are still as responsible as the system. A Templar can legally kill any apostate, even if they are an innocent child who hasn't done any harm. Doesn't mean the Templar doesn't commit murder and should be allowed off for it. 

[MisterJB]

Because the Wardens can'y get involved in political affairs. They are neutral. Post-Blight it is different apparently but at the time the Warden's couldn't. Plus Duncan gives the City Elf a sword to rescue his bride, so he helps.

 

And people abusing the system are still as responsible as the system. A Templar can legally kill any apostate, even if they are an innocent child who hasn't done any harm. Doesn't mean the Templar doesn't commit murder and should be allowed off for it. 

The point is that Thedas is a dystopia. 

 

But not every Chevalier abuses his/her authority so you shouldn't judge the order as a whole.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The point is that Thedas is a dystopia. 

 

But not every Chevalier abuses his/her authority so you shouldn't judge the order as a whole.

Sure I can judge them as a whole. They all have to commit murder to join the order. It's part of their initiation. 

[MisterJB]

Sure I can judge them as a whole. They all have to commit murder to join the order. It's part of their initiation. 

 

Which are commited under coertion. If a Chevalier makes an hobby of going into the slums to kill elves, then you can judge him.
 

[Mistic]

That whole "neutrality" thing seems to be a mandate for just Duncan and Stroud. Orzammar's politics, Ferelden politics, Amaranthine politics, etc.. We're hip deep in all of it. While the First Warden is up in the Anderfels running the show there.

 

I hate the whole "grim and stoic" neutrality schtick that Duncan and Stroud have. I want to see another Sophia Dryden or Avernus.

 

A Warden Alistair says in DAII that the other wardens didn't like it very much. So it's a mandate for everyone.

 

It's ironic. The Wardens who defeated the last blights (The Warden in DA:O, Garahel in the Foruth, unknown in the Third) dealt in politics, and that was the reason behind their success. However, in peace time such a thing is viewed with suspicion or hostility. The First Warden is being painted as a power-hungry lord that wants to control the Anderfels and we know what happened to Sophia.

 

Which are commited under coertion. If a Chevalier makes an hobby of going into the slums to kill elves, then you can judge him.

 

Coercion? Nothing in the book says they couldn't refuse. Of course, that would mean not becoming a chevalier. So in the moment of truth, it's their choice. And their sin.

[Helios969]

I'd like to play as a Chasind...get a bit more insight into their world.

[The Night Haunter]

Coercion? Nothing in the book says they couldn't refuse. Of course, that would mean not becoming a chevalier. So in the moment of truth, it's their choice. And their sin.

Actually in the book it says they are drugged. And they are told the elves have committed some crimes against various nobles. Whether lies or not the individuals can believe they are meeting out justice.

[Mistic]

Actually in the book it says they are drugged. And they are told the elves have committed some crimes against various nobles. Whether lies or not the individuals can believe they are meeting out justice.

 

Their masters gave them strong wine, not any miraculous drug. Michel at that point suspected that the masters were lying and that even if the offences were real, he knew there was no way to find the real culprits. They just wanted them to kill whatever elf they could find.

 

As TheDarkKnightReturns says, that is no coercion, that is peer pressure. Nothing more.

[The Night Haunter]

Their masters gave them strong wine, not any miraculous drug. Michel at that point suspected that the masters were lying and that even if the offences were real, he knew there was no way to find the real culprits. They just wanted them to kill whatever elf they could find.

 

As TheDarkKnightReturns says, that is no coercion, that is peer pressure. Nothing more.

That's for Michel, a very smart and talented chevalier. If someone with less ability to read between the lines were put through that test it is entirely possible they would believe they are actually being sent to kill criminals. And unless I am misremembering it doesn't specify strong wine, while Michel does say something about being drugged.

 

My point isn't that Michel has an excuse, its that judging the Chevaliers as a whole by this isn't an accurate picture, many of them doubtless believe they are doing what is right and punishing some criminals.

[KC_Prototype]

This. Especially a Rivaini. Everything is about fereldan, i'm quite tired of it.

Ferelden or DIE!!!

[KC_Prototype]

She only identifies as Ferelden by birth, and apparently she looks very Ferelden. I guess all the red heads are in Ferelden?  But everyone who grew up in Ferelden would very much call her Orlesian. And she doesn't deny being Orlesian... I mean seriously you can't with that accent.

 

She's both yo but mostly Orlesian.

She's ethnically Ferelden but culturally Orlesian.