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[MaxCrushmore]

@Dolun - LOL. You really believe that doing less damage and setting up less combo detonations gives you as fast a clearance time? Nice logic ...

 

As you are obviously delusional, i am done discussing this

[GruntKitterhand]

 

Skill matters in time completion, not consumables. And, that's the "consumables makes your time go faster" claim down.

 

I don't want whatever you're smoking, and I say that as someone who could give Willie Nelson a run for his money.

[TheShadyEngineer]

Bullcrap. Weapon/kit choice has a lot to do with it too.

This and also the objectives the team got and how many people actually bothered doing them.

[The Last]

Delusional is thinking a one time consumables slot means something other than an optional bonus.

 

Thats fine though, i'm just saying these things so new people who look at this don't feed into this faulty logic people have.

 

New players ignore these types of players and play the game however you want. All of their false claims have been nullified, my job is done.

 

Done with this thread, cya.

[Beerfish]

Delusional is thinking a one time consumables slot means something other than an optional bonus.

Yeah that is the whole point.  Here is the typical scenario for a pug game.  Enter the lobby and have 3 other players there whom I know nothing about, nothing at all.  The N7, Challenge points, weapon load outs give you some info but you do not know if they are good players or not.  In many cases you can get at least one or two players that are not good, not ready for gold and will 100% for sure drag out a match.  Consumables helps them contribute to the match, not be on their face and allow the more skilled players to worry about killing things other than rescuing.

 

It also gives a 1st impression for many people.  You are readied up fast?  You have at least all consumables equipped, even low level ones?  You are an N7 15 with a poor manifest?  I'll happily play with that person because they have given an indication they are going to try,  N7 15, nothing equipped?  I have a strong suspicion that this person is along for the ride.

[TheNightSlasher]

Skill matters in time completion, not consumables. And, that's the "consumables makes your time go faster" claim down.

No amount of skill will let you tank heavy enemy fire like cyclonics do, when you are surrounded by enemies.

A skilled player playing a character can never out run a AM III character and hence, will eat more bullets (relatively..)

Skill doesn't increase your damage output by 30%, weapon amps do

No amount of skill will give you the magical ability to penetrate thick cover - AP/drill rounds do.

 

A more skilled player will do better with a kit (fully loaded up) than a less skilled player. But skill doesn't make up for the silliness that is not using equipment.

[Wizard of Ox]

Avenger HSol is an awesome time. Give your lame-ass infiltrators a rest for at least one game and try it

 

QFT. Also, works really well with the GE. 

[Ribosome]

Delusional is thinking a one time consumables slot means something other than an optional bonus.

Thats fine though, i'm just saying these things so new people who look at this don't feed into this faulty logic people have.

New players ignore these types of players and play the game however you want. All of their false claims have been nullified, my job is done.

I think new players that may look at this are far less inclined to take the word of someone who nobody is agreeing with, but what do I know, right?

[NuclearTech76]

Delusional is thinking a one time consumables slot means something other than an optional bonus.

 

Thats fine though, i'm just saying these things so new people who look at this don't feed into this faulty logic people have.

 

New players ignore these types of players and play the game however you want. All of their false claims have been nullified, my job is done.

 

Done with this thread, cya.

I think the point you're trying to make is consumables do not make up for a deficiency of skill. At least I hope that's what your saying which is true.

 

It's not really arguable that consumables reduce TTK on certain enemy types especially which also in turn increases clearance times. Also cyclonics afford even a skilled player a little more aggressive playstyle with weapon based kits and power amps increase some power based kits output tremendously. 

 

I would argue the clearance time difference one skilled and equipped player can make in a pug match with not fantastic teammates is going to be much more appreciable than that same player in a team of similar skilled players.

 

I would likely argue that your time difference at maxing a manifest is going to be much better managed by dedicating a portion of your credits to properly equipping. Let's just say that you save a min for adding low level consumables (which I think is a low estimate) and you max out your manifest at 800 hrs (also a low estimate I believe) and you clear games in an average time of 20 mins per game (really low estimate if you pug some), you would save around 40 hrs on maxing.

[Computron2000]

I think new players that may look at this are far less inclined to take the word of someone who nobody is agreeing with, but what do I know, right?

 

Waaaa?! How could you cast doubt on a demigod at me3 like dolun! Its not like he doesn't have proof of his godliness compared to the live streamers!! Dolun's completion times is the same as those live streamers without consumables because he told us so! So it must be true!

 

Thus dolun = better than live streamers = better than you = better than me

 

All hail great dolun!

[q5tyhj]

 Skill matters in time completion, not consumables. And, that's the "consumables makes your time go faster" claim down.

 

Obviously consumables make your game go faster, other things being equal- not really any arguing this point. Most consumables increase your damage in some way (power amps, ammo, weapon amps). More damage decreases your TTK. Shorter TTK means shorter waves. Shorter waves means a shorter match. Pretty simple.

 

**ninja'd, sort of

[GruntKitterhand]

Delusional is thinking a one time consumables slot means something other than an optional bonus.

 

New players ignore these types of players and play the game however you want.

 

 

Consumables are 'optional' due to their variety - I don't choose whether to equip them, I choose which ones to equip.  I hope these 'new players' will take note that the store will give them infinitely more than they can ever use, and they are called consumables because they are supposed to be consumed.  Just because you may want to save your most valuable amps for special occasions doesn't mean you can justify not equipping any at all. 

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Obviously consumables make your game go faster, other things being equal- not really any arguing this point. Most consumables increase your damage in some way (power amps, ammo, weapon amps). More damage decreases your TTK. Shorter TTK means shorter waves. Shorter waves means a shorter match. Pretty simple.

 

**ninja'd, sort of

 

Nope. You're wrong. My completion times are exactly the same when I don't use consumables, and I always top the scoreboard anyway, so why bother using them?

[NuclearTech76]

Nope. You're wrong. My completion times are exactly the same when I don't use consumables, and I always top the scoreboard anyway, so why bother using them?

You might not have to rage gel wave one. 

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

You might not have to rage gel wave one. 

 

I have no idea what you're talking about....

[Maurader Sackboy]

Nope. You're wrong. My completion times are exactly the same when I don't use consumables, and I always top the scoreboard anyway, so why bother using them?

If you "always top the scoreboard" then you are probably not a typical player but, rather, in the very top.  I'm more an average scrub.  Completion times depends on the team I'm in -- I see gold matches range from 16 to 35+ min.   But, I can vouch that my score is higher if I use higher level consumables.

[Kislitsin]

@Dolun: the difference is:

I can clear glacier out of cerbers in ~ 25 minutes, without rockets, ALONE. And I'm far from best soloer.

Can you do it without consumables? Based on what you wrote here, I doubt you can do it even with consumables.

So either provide the video, or get lost and die.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

If you "always top the scoreboard" then you are probably not a typical player but, rather, in the very top.  I'm more an average scrub.  Completion times depends on the team I'm in -- I see gold matches range from 16 to 35+ min.   But, I can vouch that my score is higher if I use higher level consumables.

 

Whooooooosh!!!

[geezer117]

I find the host with no consumables is usually the last to ready up, and then after a long wait. WTF!

[bondiboy]

I find the host with no consumables is usually the last to ready up, and then after a long wait. WTF!

 

 

Yes seen that a few times and have started a game or two with the Host AFK

[The Last]

I think the point you're trying to make is consumables do not make up for a deficiency of skill. At least I hope that's what your saying which is true.

 

Pretty much this is what I am saying. I appreciate you posting like you have some sense, for that I thank you. All I wanted to say to you.

 

I think new players that may look at this are far less inclined to take the word of someone who nobody is agreeing with, but what do I know, right?

 

I think new players that may look at this are far less inclined to even post on this forums at all.

 

People aren't afraid to post if they share the same opinion as someone else, but when there's a small group of people who believe in one thing and someone has a different opinion, all hell breaks loose. This isn't a pug, this is a small group on this section of the BSN forums that believes in one thing, which is far from the majority. More people agree than you know, I end up getting back pms saying i'm right and "this is why I don't post on this section of the forums" which is sad. The few people who had a different opinion and bothered posting in here got insulted and chased off by the small group on here, that's why most people who have opinions just don't bother posting or is having fun playing the game how they want and don't bother looking here. I can care less about being insulted on a forums, and I can care less responding back to them. If that makes you cool in front of your internet friends go ahead, but you don't look cool to spectators. Just know your opinion gets weaker if you sit around throwing insults at people like you got no manners.

 

New players believe who they want to believe, i'm just letting them know there are two sides to every story and your opinions aren't set in stone facts. While I agree with some of you on some of your points, insulting people for every little opinion they have is unnecessary. Some of you need to grow up, seriously.

 

I'm done discussing this, this is why there is only one group and only one opinion on this section of the forums.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Done with this thread, cya.

 

I'm done discussing this, this is why there is only one group and only one opinion on this section of the forums.

 

Maybe, just maybe the problem lies with you and not everyone else...

 

Not a single one of your points make any sense whatsoever.

[The Last]

i was done discussing the thread topic, I replied to nuclear's post.

 

Problem lies with my opinion, right, but im not the one complaining about no consumables and im not the only one thinking it.

 

I see, that must be the problem, I'm not complaining.

 

If I said "I hate everyone who doesn't use consumables", would that give me cool points with this group? I bet it would, since it agrees with you.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

i was done discussing the thread topic, I replied to nuclear's post.

 

Problem lies with my opinion, right, but im not the one complaining about no consumables and im not the only one thinking it.

 

I see, that must be the problem, I'm not complaining.

 

If I said "I hate everyone who doesn't use consumables", would that give me cool points with this group? I bet it would, since it agrees with you.

 

We don't hate you. We just think you're a leech, and you're clearly not doing all you can to help the team out.

 

I can't for the life of me understand how any logical being can deny that using consumables helps increase the overall team damage, cutting down match times in the process.

[The Last]

We don't hate you. We just think you're a leech, and you're clearly not doing all you can to help the team out.

 

I can't for the life of me understand how any logical being can deny that using consumables helps increase the overall team damage, cutting down match times in the process.

 

Definition of leech....means im not doing anything, objectives, killing, just sitting there watching everybody. Wonder why I always kill and do objectives if im considered a leech anyway.

 

Clearly not doing all I can to help the team out, wonder how I extract, probably because I know who to keep in my lobby i guess. I sure don't sit around complaining about a big bad "no consumables" guy.

 

It is illogical to think that consumables means anything other than an optional boost.

 

It is just like that Lone Wolf banner claim a while back "he isn't a team player and selfish" label, which was equally as ridiculous. Dwell on that for a while.

 

I'm not going to explain it over and over, at least nuclear got the point.