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[Argent Xero]

Its kinda the same thing.. but yeah. Thanks.

No no no, lolcolyte fury is very skill, much more skill than lolcolyte flamer.

Trust me, I'm an Ultra Spectre Elite 7000 Deluxe, now with less recoil and faster reload time.

[megabeast37215]

I've played with you and you are good, and I've mentioned you here as the only guy I've met who can rock without consumables. And GI with a proper (read - any) weapon doesn't need 'em (though he gets an extreme edge with them).
Most guys who don't use consumables barely share your philosophy. Actually it's vice versa, they want to be able to left their squad without remorse if the things get ugly.

So.. he says he likes the enemy to have a chance and doesn't want victory to be assured.. then to prove his point, he goes and plays one of the most grossly overpowered kits in the entire game.

Ooooooookay...

[megabeast37215]

Trust me, I'm an Ultra Spectre Elite 7000 Deluxe, now with less recoil and faster reload time.

You forgot 'exclusively platinum playing elitist.'

[PoetryAvenger]

Yeah this discussion seems like a total no-brainer.

Consumables are a sign of good faith; you can choose not to use them on Gold or Plat, but don't expect people who don't know you to go "alright they've obviously got this, let's ready up".

[dcal31]

At risk of actually getting back on topic, I tie consumable use to commitment of the match.It's like poker. If your playing for nickles, it's not a big deal if you don't ante up every time. If it's for five grand, there better be money on the table every hand. Risk vs Reward.

Put it practice, for Bronze and Silver, it's not much effort to clean up if things go south and the reward isn't that great a loss, if it gets to that point. Gold is variable, depending on how the team looks, but generally I use at least low level equipment. Increased difficulty, increased reward, increased commitment to the match. For Platinum, I expect the best you have. There's no higher difficulty, there's no higher reward. If you've played enough to be appropriately geared for Platinum, you have at least one set of equipment. Maybe you are in the one tenth of one percent that can solo platinum with a level one, no equipment vanilla character, but I'm not going to risk my time and credits on finding out.

I only have a limited time that I can play and wiping on wave eight is not a fun way to spend it. I'd rather wait in a lobby ten minutes until I find a team that I feel is committed to clearing the match. I don't expect everyone to agree with that outlook, but I don't think it's unreasonable either.

[TheShadyEngineer]

The important thing here is; I have to know that you're serious about winning this match, or at least getting to wave 11. I don't play Gold for Silver credits. If I wanted to clutch, I'd solo, know what I'm sayin'? If you at least have level 1 gear on, I know you're trying anyway. 

Pretty much this. If someone doesn't have consumables on, there isn't much stopping that person from quitting if the game goes sideways and quite frankly, that's bad for team cohesion. If you're low on high rank consumables, put on a rank 2 on or heck even a rank 1 is better than going in without any.

[dcal31]

*double post*

[dcal31]

Yeah this discussion seems like a total no-brainer.

Consumables are a sign of good faith; you can choose not to use them on Gold or Plat, but don't expect people who don't know you to go "alright they've obviously got this, let's ready up".

This is exactly my point, only more concisely stated.

[Chealec]

I sometimes use Explosive rounds...

 

 

 

 

 

Ah, my coat, thanks ...

[MaxCrushmore]

O.o

 

Really?

 

First, I have started 13 accounts (my main account is almost maxed out). Which gives me a somewhat experienced perspective for both trending topics in this thread.

 

In all the Gold+ matches I have played, only 3 matches have had a player without consumables top me on the scoreboard. 2 of those were from a PS3 spectre playing Plat with the Huntress sans consumables. The other was a friend whom we ninja started w/o consumables (however he was using a Krosent with GC5 equipped).

 

I don't kick any non-MGers, but to say the average player, without consumables, pulls their own weight, is absurd .. simply put, they do not. And i'm not talking about this from a sample pool of a few PUG teammates .. i'm talking from a pool of several thousand. They are also more likely to not use in game consumables, and quit if they don't get revived.

 

Score is not a great indicator of contribution, but I personally find the difference between using equipment to be at least 20K - 60K (UUG), depending on your set-up. The main reason for this in Gold +, is it is hard to have enough armor mitigation (or combo detonation capability) without using equipment, especially an ammo mod. And without that, killing the big armor units takes a very long time. Even an AP 1 ammo has %50(?) armor mitigation ... On one of my newer accounts I use a Harrier 1 on the DAI, and without AP or Drill rounds (or any other), it takes 4 - 6 clips to kill a Gold brute .. ridiculous, especially if you have the ammo mods to use. All you do is make the game longer for everyone else.

 

Typically if I'm PUGging Gold and land in a lobby as the only one using consumables, the game is guaranteed to take in the mid - high 20 min range, and it is not uncommon to outscore my 3 teammates combined. The superstar PUG who dominates w/o consumables is rarer than a purple unicorn found at the end of a rainbow, despite what some posters would claim.

 

 

Switching gears for a moment, IMO Spectre packs are better for the more advanced maniifests, to keep your supply of level III equipment stocked, as well as still providing a chance for the UR drops .. but for newer accounts, there is more value in saving creds to buy the 99K packs, as they provide more guaranteed rare cards for less credits, which are far more valuable to unlock and upgrade all your rares. However, It is important for those newer manifests to invest, as needed, in JEPs and VPs to keep up their supply of in game equipment and consumables, as those are what makes the game much easier to succeed at ...

[crashsuit]

You guys were jerks to Psychez.

[Wizard of Ox]

I'm saving them.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

You guys were jerks to Psyches.

 

Good. Here's hoping he doesn't return.

[junker1990]

So.. he says he likes the enemy to have a chance and doesn't want victory to be assured.. then to prove his point, he goes and plays one of the most grossly overpowered kits in the entire game.

Ooooooookay...

 

Yep, all my 6150 games at the moment. Nice try, Mega.

[megabeast37215]

Yep, all my 6150 games at the moment. Nice try, Mega.

Your boy says you GI constantly, and you say you don't use consumables bc of challenge. I just put two and two together.. which says to me "The GI does so much damage that it doesn't need equipment."

You don't like it.. too bad. It's the picture you and Kislitsin painted.

[Nitrocuban]

Gold is totally fine without consumables*

 

*)depending on the kit

[TheNightSlasher]

I seriously don't understand why people don't use consumables when they have them. What are you saving them for, ME4, or are you planning to sell them to a volus banker in exchange for credits?

 

Also, lol at arguments that state 'I don't need consumables, they make the game easy'. If you want to make the game challenging, just pick a kit that doesn't have iWin buttons like lolcloak, flamers etc., or use weapons that are not stupidly OP.

 

Use something like viper QFE, then you'll realize how critical those disruptor ammos and sniper amp IIIs are. 

 

A player who puts on his consumables has expressed his/her willingness to try his best (since he/she is ready to lose the consumables if the mission goes south).

[megabeast37215]

I seriously don't understand why people don't use consumables when they have them. What are you saving them for, ME4, or are you planning to sell them to a volus banker in exchange for credits?
 
Also, lol at arguments that 'I don't need consumables, they make the game easy'. If you want to make the game challenging, just pick a kit that doesn't have iWin buttons like lolcloak, flamers etc., or use weapons that are not stupidly OP.
 
Use something like viper QFE, then you'll realize how critical those disruptor ammos and sniper amp IIIs are. 
 
A player who puts on his consumables has expressed his/her willingness to try his best (since he/she is ready to lose the consumables if the mission goes south).

Viper QFE!?!?

Nononononono.. onlyusemeTalonGI.. with no equipment.. bc challenge.

I used the Viper last night in a randomizer game for the first time in a long time. It's not bad.. especially considering the weight.

[The Last]

This is still going then,

 

Max, that was a great speech but i'll have to say something from my experience. The people you talk about is sub 120 N7 with no equipment whatsoever. I say this because I pug a lot and I can say that running into at least 2 sub 120 N7 people in the lobbies is very common. This explains the strange correlation between "no consumables" and "no medigel"

 

I don't get where people are getting the false "consumables shows commitment" from. Was just in a game with a decently geared AIU and GI consumables and all. They died a lot, rage quitted, and left me and the other guy to finish up and extract. That also wasn't the first time it happened. Consumables shouldn't be viewed as anything other than an optional boost. The claims "consumables show committment" or "he won't leave the game" was nulled by that game. The person is just as committed with or without the consumables.

 

While I agree consumables are helpful for people who need it, I just don't get the false meanings people put behind it.

[Caineghis2500]

I always ready up with the highest level of consumables available. It's kinda silly to play without them in gold/platinum

[TheNightSlasher]

This is still going then,

 

Max, that was a great speech but i'll have to say something from my experience. The people you talk about is sub 120 N7 with no equipment whatsoever. I say this because I pug a lot and I can say that running into at least 2 sub 120 N7 people in the lobbies is very common. This explains the strange correlation between "no consumables" and "no medigel"

 

I don't get where people are getting the false "consumables shows commitment" from. Was just in a game with a decently geared AIU and GI consumables and all. They died a lot, rage quitted, and left me and the other guy to finish up and extract. That also wasn't the first time it happened. Consumables shouldn't be viewed as anything other than an optional boost. The claims "consumables show committment" or "he won't leave the game" was nulled by that game. The person is just as committed with or without the consumables.

 

While I agree consumables are helpful for people who need it, I just don't get the false meanings people put behind it.

Compare that number to the number of times people rage-quit on you when they didn't put on any equipment. The difference is huge.

[The Last]

Compare that number to the number of times people rage-quit on you when they didn't put on any equipment. The difference is huge.

 

I notice no difference, sorry.

[Caineghis2500]

lol fixed

[Wizard of Ox]

Compare that number to the number of times people rage-quit on you when they didn't put on any equipment. The difference is huge.

 

In my experience, it doesn't happen that much. They usually (as in 90% of the time) bleed out and/or leech. It's way worse, because nobody replaces them then and you have to carry morons who just spectate. 

[Wizard of Ox]

I notice no difference, sorry.

 

What? So newbies not equipping anything aren't as bad as veterans with high level weapons and gear/equipments?