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[Deflagratio]

I'm sorry but that is nonsense. How is it anti consumer to give people the option to buy in bulk? I mean in the 90s you had to spend 30-40 dollars on an expansion...what if you only like 1/4 of it? A season pass lets me save money.

 

If it is a company you trust. then why not? I'm going to buy all the bioware dlc anyway, why not spend less money on it.

 

I think this post demonstrates my point better than anything I could have said.

 

"I'm going to buy all the bioware DLC anyway..." How can you even say that when you know nothing about the content itself? If Bioware just released three $10 jars of mayonnaise as DLC would that justify buying the season pass for $20. U SAVE TEN DOLLARS LOL!

[Mockingword]

How can people support season passes? They're like the most anti-consumer thing on the planet. Pay for content weeks/months/uptoayear before release with no recourse if the content is sub-par. (See: Borderlands 2)

If it turns out to suck, I'll be glad that I got it for a reduced price. 

 

Since there's no way to know if you'll like a DLC until after you experience it, the risk is still the same. Arguably it's lessened, because you lose less money than you would have from purchasing each terrible DLC individually.

[Vapaa]

How can people support season passes? They're like the most anti-consumer thing on the planet. Pay for content weeks/months/uptoayear before release with no recourse if the content is sub-par. (See: Borderlands 2)

 

Nobody forces you to pay in advance.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The thing with seasons passes is that they are typically made for multiplayer-heavy games, which DA:I clearly isn't. BioWare has never released a Season Pass before and I honestly don't see why they suddenly would now.

[Mockingword]

The thing with seasons passes is that they are typically made for multiplayer-heavy games, which DA:I clearly isn't. BioWare has never released a Season Pass before and I honestly doubt why they suddenly would now.

Bioshock Infinite isn't  multiplayer-heavy, neither was The Last of Us or Darksiders 2. In fact, I'm pretty sure Bioshock and Darksiders don't have multiplayer components of any kind.

 

Watch_Dogs isn't multiplayer-heavy (although it is turned on by default), and it has a season pass.

[Vapaa]

The thing with seasons passes is that they are typically made for multiplayer-heavy games

 

Bioshock infinite

Saints row the third

Saints row 4

Borderlands 2

Watch dogs

Assassins creed 3

Assassin's creed 4

Metro last night

Aliens colonial marines

Darksiders 2

 

They are made for DLC-heavy games, be it MP or SP.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bioshock Infinite isn't  multiplayer-heavy, neither was The Last of Us or Darksiders 2. In fact, I'm pretty sure Bioshock and Darksiders don't have multiplayer components of any kind.

 

Watch_Dogs isn't multiplayer-heavy (although it is turned on by default), and it has a season pass.

Hence the word typically.

 

Watch Dogs is very much an online game. Even if it's not multiplayer-heavy, it's still your typical Ubisoft game where half of it won't work unless you're connected to the internet.

 

Regardless, I'm not saying I don't want a Season Pass. It's just not something I see BioWare doing.

[Deflagratio]

If it turns out to suck, I'll be glad that I got it for a reduced price. 

 

Since there's no way to know if you'll like a DLC until after you experience it, the risk is still the same. Arguably it's lessened, because you lose less money than you would have from purchasing each terrible DLC individually.

 

 

That's absolutely incorrect. There's plenty of critical pieces on DLC, the same as any full price release. Purchasing a Season Pass takes away that power to be critical and informed. How do you rationalize that?

[Mockingword]

That's absolutely incorrect. There's plenty of critical pieces on DLC, the same as any full price release. Purchasing a Season Pass takes away that power to be critical and informed. How do you rationalize that?

I don't read "critical pieces" on any media, because I don't trust other people to know what I like.

 

Further, as a student of literature and film, I see it as something of a personal duty to watch, read and play things for myself, in order to have an informed opinion.

 

Plus, I derive great personal enjoyment from analysing and discussing media I disliked and my reasons for disliking it.

[Vapaa]

There's plenty of critical pieces on DLC, the same as any full price release.

 

What a fancy expression for "bullshit"

[Deflagratio]

What a fancy expression for "bullshit"

 

No. Critical press is what you make of it, I have a firm grasp on what I like and what makes a good investment to me. If you lack the ability to internalize information that's your own personal problem, but even if one person disagrees with your statement, it has been effectively falsified.

 

I don't read "critical pieces" on any media, because I don't trust other people to know what I like.

 

Further, as a student of literature and film, I see it as something of a personal duty to watch, read and play things for myself, in order to have an informed opinion.

 

Plus, I derive great personal enjoyment from analysing and discussing media I disliked and my reasons for disliking it.

 

I can definitely respect your process from an academic level. Know that you represent an intense minority of people though. I only speak from a consumer-advocate standpoint right now, and there's no way anyone here can reconcile the idea of pre-purchase with consumer rights. I'm quite shocked how nobody sees through the transparent exploitation that Season Passes are. You people do recognize that the discount is arbitrary right? They could simply reduce every individual DLC by 20%, there's no law that says it's an incompatible option, the only difference is, if the DLC isn't pre-purchased the developers can be held accountable for releasing a train wreck. (Sir Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt/Clash in the Clouds)

[Vapaa]

 

No. Critical press is what you make of it, I have a firm grasp on what I like and what makes a good investment to me. If you lack the ability to internalize information that's your own personal problem, but even if one person disagrees with your statement, it has been effectively falsified.

 

I too have a firm grasp of what I want, that's why I stopped reading critics, be it progfessional or by "gamers", last big disappointement was Dishonored; the silence over a crucial aspect of the gameplay effectively made me lost my money.

 

So **** the reviews, my judgment is the only relevant to my purchases.

[TheWhitefire]

I... must be one of like 8 people who think that companies making DLC is a *good* thing. Here's my reasoning:

DLC provides an area where a company can experiment with new features to an ongoing game series in a relatively low-risk environment. It can be a good way to get newer employees valuable experience, and also a good way to 'acid test' new features for upcoming installments. For instance, Dragon Age: Awakening removed the ability to talk to your companions in the Field like you could in DA:O, instead having your companions only talk to you in specific circumstances, during particular plot points, and when examining particular objects. This was then modified and adopted into Dragon Age 2. In DA 2, we got our first taste of Orlesian culture in the Mark of the Assassin DLC, including a stealth minigame that might not have been experimented with at all in the main game. While it may not come back in Inquisition, it at least allowed the Dragon Age team a place to test the idea of having a stealth minigame at all.

Mass Effect: Citadel included a ton of new mini games and ideas that they couldn't have included in the main game without distracting from the main plot. I personally thought the DLC was, in many ways, better than the main game and was a wonderful "Farewell" to many of the companions and NPCs we've hung out with throughout the ME trilogy, and I don't think it could have worked as anything other than as an expansion or DLC.

That said, I'd probably buy a Season Pass if it was offered. I"m almost a completionist in that I like to get all the DLCs, for good or ill, to judge for myself, unless I find out that a DLC is game-breakingly terrible.

I think the best option would be to offer both a Season Pass option for people like me who do like to buy DLCs the moment they come out, as well as being able to buy the DLCs separately for those who prefer to do that. It's not like anyone would *make* you buy the Season Pass in that case.

[Deflagratio]

I too have a firm grasp of what I want, that's why I stopped reading critics, be it progfessional or by "gamers", last big disappointement was Dishonored; the silence over a crucial aspect of the gameplay effectively made me lost my money.

 

So **** the reviews, my judgment is the only relevant to my purchases.

 

Better blind than one-eyed eh? Or how about solving a wasted purchase by risking another wasteful purchase.

 

 

Forgive me for not making sense out of nonsense. I'm not that creative.

[Vapaa]

Better blind than one-eyed eh? Or how about solving a wasted purchase by risking another wasteful purchase.

 

 

Better knowing you're blind than thinking you can see when you don't.

 

Point is, critics are useless to me, so why should I trust them ? if your opinion often coincide with most of the critics, that's great, but it's not the case for everyone.

 

Now my policy is: game I'm sure about: Day one, game I'm not sure about: 5€ during a Steam/Humble bundle/Greenmangaming sale. I'm done with reviews.

[Deflagratio]

Better knowing you're blind than thinking you can see when you don't.

 

Point is, critics are useless to me, so why should I trust them ? if your opinion often coincide with most of the critics, that's great, but it's not the case for everyone.

 

Now my policy is: game I'm sure about: Day one, game I'm not sure about: 5€ during a Steam/Humble bundle/Greenmangaming sale. I'm done with reviews.

 

 

You'd get a lot farther if you'd just say you're a "Patron of the Arts", I don't have a comeback for that.

[AkiKishi]

I don't pay any attention to professional reviews and I don't think I've bought a game I did not enjoy for years. Unless I knew I was taking a risk on something. DA2 cost me 98p from Morrisons and ME3 £5. 

There are loads of games that have reviewed badly that I've really enjoyed and vice versa. 

 

Watching a couple of youtube clips (of actual gameplay) is generally more than enough. Of course if there is some sort of gamebreaking bug, thats different, but thats where you send the game back. 

 

Publishers try to blind people into pre-ordering with DLC but I don't fall for that

[Vapaa]

You'd get a lot farther if you'd just say you're a "Patron of the Arts", I don't have a comeback for that.

 

Well I'm not a patron of the arts, I'm a customer; I pay for what I think is worth my money, sometimes I pay for season pass, sometimes I don't.

[Googleness]

SO SUPPORT This... every bioware game past few years had me chase around the web in order to get the right amount of Bioware points in order to get a dlc content... it's just annoying.

[DaySeeker]

Day one dlc is not a cheat. Different teams work on different aspects. If a game is delayed the dates can overlap. Personally I would rather not wait months to a year for dlc. I've been happy with Bioware dlc; it hasn't all been great, but it added to the world. If but a season pass because I love their product. I don't think they would go into a project looking to do a crappy job as they twirl their evil moustaches and call us suckers for paying without seeing. They want to create a good product. They want happy players. They take pride in the franchise they created.

[aTigerslunch]

I would go for a season pass as I buy their dlc's anyways. Cheaper with the pass.

[The Night Haunter]

That's absolutely incorrect. There's plenty of critical pieces on DLC, the same as any full price release. Purchasing a Season Pass takes away that power to be critical and informed. How do you rationalize that?

The vast majority of gamers never read reviews for full games (beyond word of mouth), how many do you think will read reviews for DLC?

 

I loved DAO's dlc, I liked DA2's dlc. DAI has had 3 times as long dev time as DA2, I have little doubt that I will very much enjoy it, and I am hopeful I will love it. I almost certainly will be buying all dlc, I trust Bioware (ME3 was better than ME2 bar the last 20 seconds, and the DLC for ME3 was stellar) so I have no reason not to save money with a season pass.

As for the 'power' we have if buy dlc one-by-one, well how many people are going to buy the next Borderlands season pass if they felt they didn't get their moneys worth off this round? Its the exact same principle as a company making only a single piece of dlc for a game, if it sucks buy they got $15 a pop for it then no-one will buy the next games dlc. There is a moderate benefit to you buying the dlc one-by-one only if the dlc sucks. So by not buying the season pass you are betting the dlc is going to be lack-luster. If that is the case why would you even buy the game for full price? If you don't think the dlc will be worth it why would the game be worth 5x the price?

A $20-25 season pass for 3 pieces of real dlc and 2-3 item packs / alternate uniforms or appearances means that you are paying $15 more than the first dlc if that is all you buy. $5 if you only get 2. You saved $5 if you go for all three, and $15 if you go for the little bonuses as well. I'd love to see a statistic of how many people buy 1, 2 or all 3 DLC's, but I'm betting most people that buy 1 go for all three (leaving off the cheaper extras which I personally never go for).

 

If you don't want to buy a season pass feel free, but arguing against it is selfish and silly. If someone buys a season pass from some company and feels they got jipped then that is their problem. Failure is what teaches us, much more than success.