Turn based MP? It would be a departure from the mechanics (in the OTHER direction than what I discussed earlier), but in addition to that, I just don't think those who want MP badly enough to affect their purchasing decision would be content with a turn-based mode.
That's too bad. I saw that XCOM also had m/p, and I may actually be OK at something like this. But with continual action w/o Pause, I die more often than a newbie Vampire....
I would find a DA game similar to XCOM insanely enjoyable. But how would you have party banter? LOL
actually thinking second time I canceled the pre-order just because the outraging price on it.
I pre ordered ME3 and it cost me 70 euro on origin then year later it was on sale for 5 euro on origin so hack I'll wait and get it on sale + patches.
Drop in, drop out co-op. Alien players would replace companions(if they accept the invite) and should be free of cutscenes and dialogue wheels while the native-world player plays through his/her game's content. Furthermore, add 4v4 arena multiplayer with ability to choose to use companions or friendly players in team. Nothing else is required.
Well AFAIC the moment BW puts in MP DA will be irreversibly tainted and ruined like so many franchises before, at that point I will no longer pre-order a DA game, instead I'll just wait till its 50% off, once they add MP to pander to the "everything must have MP coz playing wit ma fwends is awesum" is the moment its no longer DA and no longer worth Full Price
Sounds like you just want to dictate what people like and it is only ok if they like what you like.
Just as many people will wait on DAI until it goes on sale to purchase it while they play other games like Destiny or Evolve for instance, and then get back to DAI when it is convenient. You (nor I) get to decide what others like and don't like, and just cause you don't like what other people enjoy does not mean they warrant contempt.
Sounds like you just want to dictate what people like and it is only ok if they like what you like.
Just as many people will wait on DAI until it goes on sale to purchase it while they play other games like Destiny or Evolve for instance, and then get back to DAI when it is convenient. You (nor I) get to decide what others like and don't like, and just cause you don't like what other people enjoy does not mean they warrant contempt.
Well then they can go and play a MMO instead of attempting to ruin one of the few SP games left, I am tired of their ceaseless need for every game to have MP and Zombies,uploading character stats ala DA2 is fine anything else is not too many franchises have been ruined by pandering to the lowest common denominator.
A lot of people say "its not fair that you say no to MP what about all the people who just wanna play with their friends".Tell me is it also fair that when people who do not want any kind of MP at all who have practically no decent games left to play because anything worth playing is now infested with MP and Micro Transactions are told "oh well that's just tough because we can make lots of money by pandering to the group who wants MP so take a hike ".
Turn based MP? It would be a departure from the mechanics (in the OTHER direction than what I discussed earlier), but in addition to that, I just don't think those who want MP badly enough to affect their purchasing decision would be content with a turn-based mode.
Turn Based MP would be a departure from the core mechanics in place for SP its true, although I would still see it as a viable selling point for players interested in MP.
One of my favorite MP turn based RPGs growing up was the Lucasarts video game Gladius for the original Xbox, and Nitendo Gamecube consoles. The game would allow up to four players to control various gladiators during the fights; now one could simply have passed one controller around and called it MP but there was something about having four people sitting around the TV, each with their own character(s), and planning out their actions that made the game engaging. The local, drop in/drop out MP was available for the SP campaign as well as a vs mode that could be played on arenas unlocked in SP.
Gladius was made even more engaging thanks to the fact that players could recruit the exotic creatures into their party; things like Yeti, Ogres, Minotaurs, Saytrs, Wolves, Big Cats, giant scorpions and beetles, walking skeletons in addition to the standard human warriors, archers/rogues, and casters, and that each of those party members were playable in MP.
Man, now I really wish that Gladius had (or will get) a sequel
Other games like Operation: Darkness, or the recent X-COM, and the possible/rumored MP expansion to Shadowrun Returns, also have (have the potential to have) unique MP experiences that are rare among the more 'fast paced' MP games/modes flooding the market nowadays.
Other games like Operation: Darkness, or the recent X-COM, and the possible/rumored MP expansion to Shadowrun Returns, also have (have the potential to have) unique MP experiences that are rare among the more 'fast past' MP games/modes flooding the market nowadays.
If you liked XCOM, another great SP RPG like game was Valkyria Chronicles. Man, did I love that game. Though it did not have MP, the battles in that game were very engaging. Normally I don't go for anything that is JRPG pop like, but they had the tone right.
Well then they can go and play a MMO instead of attempting to ruin one of the few SP games left, I am tired of their ceaseless need for every game to have MP and Zombies,uploading character stats ala DA2 is fine anything else is not too many franchises have been ruined by pandering to the lowest common denominator.
More of the contemptuous snippets. Really any argument you make is really undone by these, as you come across as just a holier than thou elitist who looks down their nose at anything deemed unacceptable. You may not be that way at all, but that is what you are doing.
I like that Bioware stated at this point, it is all philosophical. We don't know if we are just going to get an awesome SP RPG or an awesome SP RPG that also has an awesome MP component. Personally, I hope it is the later. However, at this point, with so little information about it this close to release, MP either does not exist, or they are just waiting to blow our minds with how amazing it is.
If you liked XCOM, another great SP RPG like game was Valkyria Chronicles. Man, did I love that game. Though it did not have MP, the battles in that game were very engaging. Normally I don't go for anything that is JRPG pop like, but they had the tone right.
Wow, I never heard of that game before now. I just looked up some gameplay footage and it looks pretty cool (slightly on the cartoony/anime side like you said). I would like to try it out, unfortunately I traded in all of my previous generation consoles in favor of a PS4. 
Wow, I never heard of that game before now. I just looked up some gameplay footage and it looks pretty cool (slightly on the cartoony/anime side like you said). I would like to try it out, unfortunately I traded in all of my previous generation consoles in favor of a PS4.
I did the same thing!!!! Check out Natural Doctrine coming to PS4 a month before DAI is released. Fantasy. Tactical RPG. Looks sort of tough, I am likely to try it out, as frankly, so far I only have BF4 for my PS4 and it is getting boring waiting around for Oct 7th. 
More of the contemptuous snippets. Really any argument you make is really undone by these, as you come across as just a holier than thou elitist who looks down their nose at anything deemed unacceptable. You may not be that way at all, but that is what you are doing.
I like that Bioware stated at this point, it is all philosophical. We don't know if we are just going to get an awesome SP RPG or an awesome SP RPG that also has an awesome MP component. Personally, I hope it is the later. However, at this point, with so little information about it this close to release, MP either does not exist, or they are just waiting to blow our minds with how amazing it is.
Sure and the eventually it'll get like COD where there is a 5hr half assed campaign because all the effort has been put into some lame ME3 multiplayer mode,better to stamp it out and kill it with fire before it even starts.
I like that Bioware stated at this point, it is all philosophical. We don't know if we are just going to get an awesome SP RPG or an awesome SP RPG that also has an awesome MP component. Personally, I hope it is the later. However, at this point, with so little information about it this close to release, MP either does not exist, or they are just waiting to blow our minds with how amazing it is.
Yeah.
The thing I don't get is: if the singleplayer is excellent, why stress out about an optional MP component? The multiplayer doesn't diminish the singleplayer merely by existing.
It's one thing if MP is required to see SP content (which, again, was a huge frustration in ME3) - but the time to get angry about that is when it happens, and not beforehand.
Yeah.
The thing I don't get is: if the singleplayer is excellent, why stress out about an optional MP component? The multiplayer doesn't diminish the singleplayer merely by existing.
It's one thing if MP is required to see SP content (which, again, was a huge frustration in ME3) - but the time to get angry about that is when it happens, and not beforehand.
The only way to guarantee that this never happens is to never include MP at all,ever.by all means make a spin-off like ESO but MP the Hell out of DA.
The way they ME3 and then only corrected it because of the massive outrage does not fill me with confidence at at even if it is a different team.
And let us not forget that EA is the parent company who have a well established history of charging $60 for a AAA and then nickle and dimeing us to death with micro transactions for the MP and judging from what their COO said they have no intention of ever changing that and even go so far as to blame core gamers for being "stuck in the muds"
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As long as people like him that see us as nothing more then wallets to be milked for every last cent are in positions of power I have no faith in MP not degrading the SP
ME3's microtransaction system was hardly milking anyone to death, though.
I never used it, and I got dozens of hours of fun out of playing the MP.
Besides, you don't think that the extremely bad press that EA's had for, say, the past three years or so isn't an indication that the company needs to start changing? It doesn't actually like being the target of complaints and internet gamer outrage™. Look at the comments of Andrew Wilson and their actions over the past year or so.
*If* any multiplayer mode in DA:I is a mess of microtransactions and unfair gameplay mechanics, I'll be the first person to complain and I'll be as loud about it as anyone else. But why get so freaked out now?
*If* any multiplayer mode in DA:I is a mess of microtransactions and unfair gameplay mechanics, I'll be the first person to complain and I'll be as loud about it as anyone else. But why get so freaked out now?
Same here.
If MP is nothing but a pay-to-win, unbalanced mess I will be right at the forefront of angry customers.
I never found ME 3's MP to be pay-to-win, and the Micro-Transactions allowed all of the MP DLCs to be released free of charge, so I am not against a similar model for DA:I MP.
Now if the DA:I MP is like Heroes of Dragon Age; which is pay-to-win; then I won't play it.
ME3's microtransaction system was hardly milking anyone to death, though.
I never used it, and I got dozens of hours of fun out of playing the MP.
Same here. I played the ME3 MP content for a year even after finishing the SP content multiple times. (Solo Platinum Epic Fail Baby!!!) I never made a single actual cash purchase. Just by playing the game, you unlocked enough in game currency to purchase the various battle packs.....unlike say the Heroes of Dragon Age Android game. (Now that IS a money making scheme in my opinion and a total waste on top of that...My opinion)
One of the other GREAT things that the MP component of ME3 gave you was the opportunity play with all the other types of races in ME Universe. You could be a Batarian or a stupid Volus for frak sakes. It was a lot of fun.
And no matter what, the amount of positive feedback around the MP component outweighed the negative. You can hunt around on you tube and see that. Look how much more follow on side content created by players championing ME3 and its IP by talking about the MP component occurred. Exceptionally positive.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I spent some real world money on the ME 3 MP store; mostly as a way of saying thank you, but also because I had some money to spare and nothing else to spend it on 
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IMO, the Mico-Transaction system in ME MP 3 was one of the few good MT setups I have seen; and yes there is both good and bad MTs. The free content for all players was better then dividing the playerbase behind pay walls consisting of "Map Packs" or "Character Packs", and the fact that paying real world money offered no advantages compared to a non-paying customer (aside from time spent) meant that there was absolutely no arm twisting involved trying to trick or force the player to spend money.
ME3's microtransaction system was hardly milking anyone to death, though.
I never used it, and I got dozens of hours of fun out of playing the MP.
Besides, you don't think that the extremely bad press that EA's had for, say, the past three years or so isn't an indication that the company needs to start changing? It doesn't actually like being the target of complaints and internet gamer outrage™. Look at the comments of Andrew Wilson and their actions over the past year or so.
*If* any multiplayer mode in DA:I is a mess of microtransactions and unfair gameplay mechanics, I'll be the first person to complain and I'll be as loud about it as anyone else. But why get so freaked out now?
Well 2 reasons:
1) This is how it always starts,a vocal group demands that MP would be "nice" some people object then given awhile someone at the company trots out and issues (insert variation of "its just phillisophical"),Then MP is added the MP crowd rejoice and slowly over time each successive game's SP campaign is whittled down to almost non existence because MP and Micro Transactions are far more profitable.
2) The COO of EA mr moore as linked in one of my previous posts has this notion that "gaming is a service" and despite his claims to be a "retro gamer" he is one of the most pro Micro Transaction in a non F2P segment people I have ever known.
Micro Transactions in a f2P are fine I mean how else are they going to cover their costs right?, this guy however seems to think its perfectly acceptable to charge someone $60 for a game, then Nickel and Dime that same consumer for every cent they can.Note I do not count major story content such as Awakening for DAO as Micro Transactions,what I call Micro Transactions are the endless numbers of "fluff" items like clothes,weapons etc most of which are not even new assets just reskinned or slightly altered existing ones for example the numerous "camo" packs of the BF series that dont have any actual benefit as they are just purely eye candy
Micro Transactions in a f2P are fine I mean how else are they going to cover their costs right?, this guy however seems to think its perfectly acceptable to charge someone $60 for a game, then Nickel and Dime that same consumer for every cent they can.Note I do not count major story content such as Awakening for DAO as Micro Transactions,what I call Micro Transactions are the endless numbers of "fluff" items like clothes,weapons etc most of which are not even new assets just reskinned or slightly altered existing ones for example the numerous "camo" packs of the BF series that dont have any actual benefit as they are just purely eye candy
I also don't like it when I feel like it is just about getting me to empty my wallet for no reason. However, if it is just eye candy type items, then they don't actually matter. Similar to how Bioware did MP in ME3.
There are other games that require you to purchase items to win. We hates that precious!
Well 2 reasons:
1) This is how it always starts,a vocal group demands that MP would be "nice" some people object then given awhile someone at the company trots out and issues (insert variation of "its just phillisophical"),Then MP is added the MP crowd rejoice and slowly over time each successive game's SP campaign is whittled down to almost non existence because MP and Micro Transactions are far more profitable.
2) The COO of EA mr moore as linked in one of my previous posts has this notion that "gaming is a service" and despite his claims to be a "retro gamer" he is one of the most pro Micro Transaction in a non F2P segment people I have ever known.
Micro Transactions in a f2P are fine I mean how else are they going to cover their costs right?, this guy however seems to think its perfectly acceptable to charge someone $60 for a game, then Nickel and Dime that same consumer for every cent they can.Note I do not count major story content such as Awakening for DAO as Micro Transactions,what I call Micro Transactions are the endless numbers of "fluff" items like clothes,weapons etc most of which are not even new assets just reskinned or slightly altered existing ones for example the numerous "camo" packs of the BF series that dont have any actual benefit as they are just purely eye candy
Okay.... but nobody is making you buy them.
If people didn't buy them, they'd stop offering those items. You can choose to protest small DLCs by denying them a sale, that's basically the best and only power we do have as consumers of products.
Okay.... but nobody is making you buy them.
If people didn't buy them, they'd stop offering those items. You can choose to protest small DLCs by denying them a sale, that's basically the best and only power we do have as consumers of products.
Yes I see your point,however I find the whole idea of Micro Transactions in a $60 game distasteful at best because they know that the completionists will want to have it all it may not be pay to win,but it is pay to get Now I would not mind if there was some kind of compensation for the inclusion of MT like Major DLC being free,though I doubt this will be the case.Which is one of the reasons I am against MP because if that's put in then its only a matter of time before MT follow.
Creating a standalone MMO a la ESO would be much more preferable.Otherwise it'll just end up like COD where the SP campaign is either reduced to a laughable 8hrs or becomes so poorly done that it may as well be non existent once EA becomes aware they can make another cash cow to milk.
By then the damage will be done and it'll be too late as another franchise with such great potential is killed off by corporate greed.
Creating a standalone MMO a la ESO would be much more preferable.Otherwise it'll just end up like COD where the SP campaign is either reduced to a laughable 8hrs or becomes so poorly done that it may as well be non existent once EA becomes aware they can make another cash cow to milk.
By then the damage will be done and it'll be too late as another franchise with such great potential is killed off by corporate greed.
The COD and BF franchises get panned a lot as really, no one actually care about the story campaigns. The story campaigns are closer to what you imagine the MP to be in single player RPGs. The stories are tacked on. Take BF4. The campaign is terrible. You play it to unlock guns you can use in Multiplayer, and sort of learn the controls if you are new to the series.
ESO is an MMO. Frankly, I hate playing MMOs. The action is boring, the stories laborious and generally they are all about transactions as you say.
To be honest, I Bioware is gonna have a challenge topping how they integrated it all in ME3.
I am seeing a split in opinions here. some people think it would be fine and maybe even enjoyable to have MP in the game as long as it doesn't effect the making of or playing of SP. then there is some of you who are demonizing all games that have SP and MP in the game (disturbedjim83). and then there is a sprinkling of people who don't really give a ****.
also this whole thing is just running around in circles.
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