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[Drone223]

Less than a couple months interaction are not a viable sample size compared to 300 years of institutionalized antagonism and downright hatred.

 

 

Just saying ...

Not to mention said peace is in its infancy and is very fragile, still even if they do get along you still want to prepare for the possibility of another conflict happening again, but that's another discussion.

[Pateu]

That is relevant to my argument because?

 

Because you can't blame the geth for defending themselves.

 

Furthermore, they proved that they hold no allegiance to the Reapers when they went to war against them and helped save the Galaxy, even resulting in their extinction.

[themikefest]

You only mention squadmates. Why? What about the crewmembers?

[Pateu]

You only mention squadmates. Why? What about the crewmembers?

 

Because it's something I thought of in the moment.

 

Before I fleshen out the idea, the base concept needs to be ''greenlighted''.

 

But we digress, this topic was about how you would do a ME4 and how we think about it, not about Geth vs Quarians or Synthetics vs Organics in general, so let's not sidetrack the discussion, shall we?

 

Well, the Geth being restored is the core conflict of my idea. The opposants are bending the rules to ensure they aren't re-created.

[Neoleviathan]

In a sequel I'd see two major possible big bads, Leviathans and the Reapers.

 

Leviathans are a threat because they are a massively powerful race capable of enslaving organics/ and if husks are any indication perhaps synthetics as well. The Keepers might be susceptible to them, and they may adopt Reaper tactics for their own benefit. They also claimed Shepard's mind, gaining access to both his/her memories and more than likely took the The Cipher. The Cipher would give Leviathan's access to Prothean thought process, language, and technology. This would mean they could quickly recover and use Prothean tech the rest of the galaxy doesn't have access to. With this and their own natural abilities they could quickly build the power and numbers they need to impose their will.

 

Reapers are a threat. The first game sets up that Reaper tech is buried across the galaxy. Any Crucible ending would also be insufficient to take out all Reapers, as the Crucible relied upon the Relay Network which for one... only covered a small portion of the galaxy, and two... by the events of Mass Effect 3 the network was kind of broken. Both the first and second game give examples of Relays that are either lost, disabled, or destroyed. Any Reapers and their tech in areas of space not covered by the Relay network would not be vulnerable to the Crucibles attack, this would include the Batarian worlds cut off during Arrival. There is also the Citadel. It's position made it the perfect firing point for the Crucible... but the Reapers moved it to Earth. Doesn't that mean the Crucible could only effect the Sol System connected Relays?That would leave the Galaxy full of Reapers. If the Citadel was were it was supposed to be it could easily hit the majority of the network, but from Earth I'm not so certain that was still possible. There is also the potential of more Reapers existing in Dark Space as well as the other plane of existence Sovereign mentioned.

 

Other than that, all of the races are recovering from the war. Perhaps this would encourage other species to become uppity. We still haven't seen the true Terminus species, and there are other species throughout the galaxy that may have an advantage of not having been immediately targeted by the Reapers. This option for a sequel, with old or new races is the one I find most attractive. But all the ideas for sequels are pretty interesting to me. There may not have been many different endings, but what differences were there do have potential.

[Pateu]

Leviathans are a threat because they are a massively powerful race capable of enslaving organics/ and if husks are any indication perhaps synthetics as well. The Keepers might be susceptible to them, and they may adopt Reaper tactics for their own benefit. They also claimed Shepard's mind, gaining access to both his/her memories and more than likely took the The Cipher. The Cipher would give Leviathan's access to Prothean thought process, language, and technology. This would mean they could quickly recover and use Prothean tech the rest of the galaxy doesn't have access to.

 

There's only 3 Leviathan left and while strong, their power increases by proximity.

 

The Council Races could obliterate their planet from orbit.

 

Furthermore, I'm not even sure they can travel. They're organic giant beings, can they even fly or use relays?

 

 the Batarian worlds cut off during Arrival

 

Bam. Destroyed. Gone.

 

oesn't that mean the Crucible could only effect the Sol System connected Relays?That would leave the Galaxy full of Reapers.

 

The cinematic shows the planets of other species being ''freed'' from Reapers.

 

 the other plane of existence Sovereign mentioned.

 

I read fanfics of beings even stronger than the reapers. The reapers were harvesting the cycles so they could stand up to them.

[Pateu]

Bump.

 

So far I haven't really gotten any opinions on my idea, just... how people envision ME4.

 

I'd like to know your views on what -I- wrote.

[TheClonesLegacy]

It's generic.

[Pateu]

It's generic.

 

What's generic about it?

 

The betrayal? Because you don't really have that in the initial trilogy. Every companion and character you meet bar TIM stays with you till the end.

 

Tartarus? I thought it would be a breath of fresh air, being part of a ''neutral'' organisation instead of The Alliance, which is lawful good and monitors your every move.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Really what you stated isn't much different from the rest of the series. It has the feel of fan-fic trying to be professional, there's not alot about the setting that stands out. If that makes sense.

Also like I said, making a Mass Effect 4 just seems pointless to me.
It requires canonizing people's unique storylines and character progression. I picked Control, because given how my Shepard was, his background, his life. Control is the way he would've gone.
Yet your idea was just to make destroy canon and the other 3 can go to hell.
It's just not great.

Which is why my idea was intentionally stupid beyond belief.

So personally, I won't "Greenlight" your idea. There's nothing that pops to me, and I just deem it uninspired.

[Pateu]

Yet your idea was just to make destroy canon and the other 3 can go to hell.

It's just not great.

 

The other options are space magic, it's why I canonised Destroy.

[ev76]

@pateu pretty cool read, it seemed to me that your idea, by picking destroy, makes the prophesy the catalyst gives about organics rebuilding synthetics partially true (since synthetics now would only need to act aggressively toward organics and give a sense of a new cycle to starting).
Now my suggestion is to implement control and synthesis too, as an option to the beginning where it would not destroy your overall plot.

[TheClonesLegacy]

The other options are space magic, it's why I canonised Destroy.

Firstly, stop bordering your words it's annoying.
Second, destroy doesn't use space magic? Pi ss off
Third, the ending where you shoot starchild and he leaves is space magic now?

[Zanallen]

I think ME4 should be about nothing. They should cancel the game and move on to a new IP.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I think ME4 should be about nothing. They should cancel the game and move on to a new IP.

This human, he understands.

[Pateu]

Firstly, stop bordering your words it's annoying.

 

Huh.

 

Second, destroy doesn't use space magic? Pi ss off

 

It's a beam that destroys synthetics. No different from a sound that only dogs hear. It's attuned to them.

 

Third, the ending where you shoot starchild and he leaves is space magic now?

 

That's an extra, which I disregarded.

 

It's as much an ending as Shepard dying in ME2 is.

[TheClonesLegacy]

It's a beam that is created from shooting a tube.
That makes no sense.

[Pateu]

It's a beam that is created from shooting a tube.
That makes no sense.

 

It's a mini death star.

[Gorguz]

They lack the technology to do that, though.

 

Hell, they need relays to travel from one system to another.

They could have fought for centuries after the crucible failure. If they found a way to replicate Sovereign weapons in how many years, 2?, then they could do the same with Reapers engines. Their scientists are still working together in a safe place, and it's not like they don't have reapers to work on. The Leviathan can help too.

[Pateu]

They could have fought for centuries after the crucible failure. If they found a way to replicate Sovereign weapons in how many years, 2?, then they could do the same with Reapers engines. Their scientists are still working together in a safe place, and it's not like they don't have reapers to work on. The Leviathan can help too.

 

There's only 3 leviathan left that can only communicate via thralls and I am fairly sure they can't fly outside an atmosphere or use relays.

 

If they would've been able to replicate reaper technology you'd have anti reaper cannons. Even then, it would've taken them a lot of time to do that, considering every ship out there has to use relays to travel between systems.

 

Sure, the reapers would probably need 100 years to erase everything, but research goes much slower during war, when communication is bad and resources are scarce.

[Lunch Box1912]

 

Now, this is a mere, spur of the moment, pre-alpha fanfiction that I've written because- well, why not?

 

 

To put it short, I'd make it  happen 150 years after the ending of Mass Effect 3 with the following actions locked in as Canon:

 

1. Wrex survived Virmire.

 

2. The Genophage was cured.

 

3. Peace was achieved between Quarians and The Geth.

 

4. Destroy ending locked in, with EDI and The Geth being erased from existence.

 

5. Shepard died in the explosion.

 

6. Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Miranda, Liara all survived the Trilogy.

 

 

 

If Mass Effect 4 confirmed this I could be on board.

[Neoleviathan]

We don't know Leviathan reproduction though, and we don't know the extent they took to ensure their survival. They might lay a few billion eggs each, they are weird crab monsters after-all. And, Like the Protheans they might have had some type of vault system. There are a few other planets with strange histories that could be connected to Leviathans later. There's room for bringing them back and connecting them closer to the lore.