That's fair, and I was just kinda spit-balling what to do with humanity. I figure some recognition -- in terms of power, influence, goodwill -- should still remain because Shepard.
That can come in various forms. Priority in rebuilding, bigger access to Council resources, embassies on homeworlds of other species...
There is no doubt in my mind humanity will have a big role in Mass Effect: Next, if it's sequel. But I ardently hope Bioware won't overblow it.
That can come in various forms. Priority in rebuilding, bigger access to Council resources, embassies on homeworlds of other species...
There is no doubt in my mind humanity will have a big role in Mass Effect: Next, if it's sequel. But I ardently hope Bioware won't overblow it.
I like that idea of human embassies everywhere too. In a way that's why I was leaning more toward diplomacy and trade, rather than military might for humanity.
I like that idea of human embassies everywhere too. In a way that's why I was leaning more toward diplomacy and trade, rather than military might for humanity.
Of course, there's always a possibility that certain faction of humanity feels entitled to some privileges because the role our race took in the Reaper war. They want the other races to recognize this, by any means necessary. You could play as a supporter of a cause, or an opposition. Basically, paragon and renegade, likely under new names. This would also allow for possibility of playing alien races, as they likely wouldn't want something like that to happen.
I'm reading too many fanfics...
Of course, there's always a possibility that certain faction of humanity feels entitled to some privileges because the role our race took in the Reaper war. They want the other races to recognize this, by any means necessary. You could play as a supporter of a cause, or an opposition. Basically, paragon and renegade, likely under new names. This would also allow for possibility of playing alien races, as they likely wouldn't want something like that to happen.
I'm reading too many fanfics...
I hope we get the option to play as an alien race. So many possibilities...
I hope we get the option to play as an alien race. So many possibilities...
And I'll be the first one to support this. And I fervently hope the content for each race will differ, if only like in DA:O.
Of course, this would require much funds and development time, so I'm not overly optimistic. But, hope springs eternal, after all.
And I'll be the first one to support this. And I fervently hope the content for each race will differ, if only like in DA:O.
Of course, this would require much funds and development time, so I'm not overly optimistic. But, hope springs eternal, after all.
If it's done like in DA:O I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want more species specific parts -- chapters, acts -- like the first couple hours, and spread throughout the game...and more reaction from the game to the species you're playing. Unlikely, but I'm with you, I live in hope.
If it's done like in DA:O I wouldn't mind it, but I'd want more species specific parts -- chapters, acts -- like the first couple hours, and spread throughout the game...and more reaction from the game to the species you're playing. Unlikely, but I'm with you, I live in hope.
We're not living in times of BG and Planescape: Torment anymore 
But yes, something like this would be very much preferable.
There are no viable plots...unless they make one of the three choices cannon...otherwise they would have to create three different games...
There are no viable plots...unless they make one of the three choices cannon...otherwise they would have to create three different games...
I'm an indoctrination theorist when it comes to the ME3 ending. By that I mean that I believe that everything that happens after Shepard "wakes up" from being knocked on his ass by Harbingers attack is really just another dream sequence where Harbinger is pouring his all into trying to indoctrinate Shepard. The stagger to the beam, the thing with TIM and Anderson, the interaction with the Catalyst, red/blue/green choices, the slide show afterward, and even the star gazer thing is all in Shepard's head, IMO.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe someone does make it to the beam and opens the arms for the Crucible, but I can't bring myself to believe it was Shepard. I resisted this idea at first, but as time pasted I couldn't deny the mounting evidence supporting the theory. In essence, everything that happens after the blast from Harbinger doesn't mean anything other than whether or not Shepard (or more to the point you) becomes in indoctrinated. You don't become a demi-god AI, there is no gene-splice turning everyone into Cyborgs, unless someone else got to the Citadel the Reapers were not destroyed.
I think the next installment will be in a much more devastated galaxy still in the midst of being Harvested. As Liara says, it would take centuries for the Reapers to complete the Harvest. I even think Liara would be in the next game in her matron stage or perhaps even her matriarch stage of life. I think the Reapers will still be a threat. If not the Reapers, then the Leviathan making their move while the galaxy is still reeling from the Reaper war. Maybe they will finally make use of the dark energy build up they were talking about since ME1. It was suppose to be part of the ME3 ending originally, but someone leaked the ending and it was changed into what we got.
I had hoped the Citadel DLC would have brought closer to the issue, but instead we got some clone BS and a house party. The next game is going to have to start resolving the ME3 ending before starting it's own story.
I think the next installment will be in a much more devastated galaxy still in the midst of being Harvested. As Liara says, it would take centuries for the Reapers to complete the Harvest. I even think Liara would be in the next game in her matron stage or perhaps even her matriarch stage of life. I think the Reapers will still be a threat. If not the Reapers, then the Leviathan making their move while the galaxy is still reeling from the Reaper war. Maybe they will finally make use of the dark energy build up they were talking about since ME1. It was suppose to be part of the ME3 ending originally, but someone leaked the ending and it was changed into what we got.
As this very moment from what we know and assume, the Next game will try to distances itself as far away from ME3 as possible. But of course there is always a possibility that we are thrown a curve ball and we find out that there will be some sort of connection to the endings.
So I ask this. What sort of viable plots can be forged for each ending? I mean Destroy is easy enough just some guy or gal tooling around in a Galaxy without synthetics dealing with other problems..
Or....we give birth to AI's (again) and it starts the end of the world all over again.
And then we kill them, and everyone parties.
So you're certain that the next game will be about the Reapers still being around... but it might not be? Pick one. Either you believe your silly theory or you don't.
No one has to believe anything. Nor do they have to state what in particular they believe.
Or....we give birth to AI's (again) and it starts the end of the world all over again.
Possibly While a little stale since they already done that. But if done well, I can see it being a decent game.
Here's a good one
So you're certain that the next game will be about the Reapers still being around... but it might not be? Pick one. Either you believe your silly theory or you don't.
I do believe the theory, but just because I believe it doesn't mean that bioware does. Entirely possible that while Shepard is dreaming someone else makes it up the beam and opens the Citadel arms for the Crucible, which is what I thought the Citadel DLC was going to be. One of your past or present squadmates (hell I would have even taken Coats) rushing past Shepard to the beam, fighting Husks and Brutes, and whatever else to the Council chamber (where the master control console actually is) to open the arms and making a last stand till the Crucible fires. But no. We get an evil twin and a party.
I would go into everything supporting the indoctrination theory, but that's not what this thread is about. I personally think the final assault was a failure and the next game will still be Reaper infested. Doesn't mean Bioware won't cannon their way forward.
"As a galaxy we can now live the lives we wished for, where organics and synthetics can coexist peacefully. With peace across the galaxy and unlimited access to knowledge to recover the greatness that was lost, and surpass it, as the line between synthetic and organic disappear we may transcend mortality itself, to reach a level of existence I cannot even imagine."
I really don't understand people can interpret that as there being room for some form of conflict in a post-synthesis world. There's no need to fight over resources because you have millions of years of reaper knowledge to tap into to find new renewable resources. EDI says that they can transcend mortality, so what's the point of war if you all can live forever, without want or need. Your also still forgetting that if there's any conflict that would threaten the utopia that was just created, well you still have an army of Reapers that would more than likely fight to preserve their new found harmony in the world.
"You will die. You will control us but you will lose everything you have. Your corporeal form will be dissolved, but your thoughts, and even your memories will continue. You will no longer be organic. Your connection to your kind will be lost, though you will remain aware of the existence. We will be yours to control and direct as you see fit."
"Eternal. Infinite. Immortal. The man I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand, and only now do I understand the full extent of his sacrifice. Through his death I was created, through my birth his thoughts are freed. They guide men now, give me reason, direction. Just as he gave direction to the ones the followed him, the ones who helped him, achieved his purpose, now my purpose. To give the many hope for a future. To ensure all have a voice in their future. The man I was knew he could only achieve this by coming something greater. There is power in control, there is wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy. I will rebuild what the many have lost. I will build a future with limitless possibilities. I will protect and sustain, I will act as the guardian of the many."
At least to me it's pretty clear Shepherd isn't the sentient being in control of the Reapers. If you want to debate that, sure but it's also pretty clear he isn't going to fly off into the sun so it brings us to what others have said about this problem. If you have a major conflict within the control universe you have to either give some explanation on why the said conflict isn't seen as important enough to a race of machines who were imprinted with the essence of the guy who did everything he could for everyone in the galaxy from helping people cross the street to saving them in a combat zone. Even more problematic you have to introduce some Deus ex Machina in the form of some device that would inhibit or stop shepreaps from intervening. The introduction of something like that would most likely have the plot implode on itself because it will leave most wondering why was civilization piddling around with the crucible when this item could of been found/created. There's also a point to be made in line the synthesis ending. Shepreap says he will rebuild, so why wouldn't he also tap into the millions years of collective reaper knowledge to assist civilization to the point of utopia?
The headcanon needed to not have either universe be a happily ever after is too strong really. If you took Destroy as canon we could actually have a story about creation and not destruction. Rebuilding the galaxy, one scrappy adventure at a time. It would allow for a DA:O style play with protagonists from a multitude of species and none of them have to be a tough as nails soldier, each with their own act 1 to play before getting to the big stuff.
- Batarian trader turned leader trying to rebuild their nation and dealing with hard subjects like slavery.
- Krogan surveyor trying to find a new planet for expansion and having to negotiate with other species who are wary of such a move.
- Human diplomat trying to rebuild the council now that citadel is in Earth's orbit, but there's still plenty of problems in galaxy.
- Asarian artist/scholar trying to find what was lost in the war and re spread their culture now that it's been ground into dust.
- Salarian smuggler struggling with trying to go legit along with the rest of Omega as it overnight becomes the galaxy's biggest trading hub.
Even these smaller conflicts wouldn't have a place in a control/synthesis world because either shepreap would already have the answers to everyone's problems, or that the synthesis utopia would have already solved these problems without friction.
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