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[In Exile]

So was Leliana. It's not fair to say that bioware retcons everything and kills/revives people for convenience. The DA team does that, But as I recall Mass Effect was the opposite. All returning companions in me3 that died in the crossovered data simply didn't return.

 

Leliana was dead in the magical healing mountain, in the room of magical healing ashes, whose power come from either: (i) the actual god creator of the setting (if you think the Maker is real) or (ii) from some special property of the mountain/lyrium, meaning the life restoring magic has nothing to do with corrupting the ashes. 

 

There's nothing strange about how Leliana is revived. 

[The Night Haunter]

So was Leliana. It's not fair to say that bioware retcons everything and kills/revives people for convenience. The DA team does that, But as I recall Mass Effect was the opposite. All returning companions in me3 that died in the crossovered data simply didn't return.

Lelianas' head chop off wasn't guarenteed though, it was an in combat animation, while Loghains was a cutscene decapitation. That's bioware's reasoning at any rate. So as far as Leliana is concerned we stabbed her, then she crawled over to the ashes (or the Maker just up and healed her) and healed her self.

 

Actually I think a Leliana we tried to kill would make a more interesting import than a romanced Leliana. We could ask her what happened, get more info on her miraculous recovery.

 

Hopefully though Bio will decide against silly things like that in the future, since they've gotten so much flakk over it.

[SilkieBantam]

Even from a pragmatic sense I think rectuiting Loghain is all around a bad idea. He's paranoid and emotionally unstable. That's not someone you'd want in an order like the Grey Wardens. He tried to kill you multiple times and framed you for treason. If you truly want to unite Ferelden under Alistair I think the best decision is to kill him. With him alive and still honored as a hero while the king despises him is bound to cause conflict. People could still believe Loghain and rally under him....to spare him just screams potential damage. It's best for the country to just paint him as someone who went mad with power and kill him.

[KC_Prototype]

Killing him can backfire. The Banns that were loyal to him would do everything to undermine the throne's power after the Blight. At least as a Warden he's obligated to relinquish his titles and claims. Also helps that the First Warden would probably keep a close eye on a recruit of his caliber. It's probably why he was assigned to Monstimard. There he can serve the Order while being removed from politics. I think Loghain would make an interesting Warden-Commander for the Orlesian Chapter and would be a good foil to the Chevaliers there.

Not at all, kill the people that don't fall in line. They will respect who is king!

[SilkieBantam]

Not at all, kill the people that don't fall in line. They will respect who is king!

Exactly. Deal with his little rebellion by crushing his rebels. Simply killing him and Howe would have already dealt a pretty big blow to them.

 

That aside I just can't bring myself to support sparing a man who left his King and the order that my character is apart of to die, made multiple attempts on the life of the King's heir, hired a known blood mage to poison an Arl, allowed the slaughter of Couslands and sold his own citizens into slavery. It just seems like a bad political move all around. Even if never does anything like this again the fact remains that he wounded too many different groups of people.

[Shark17676]

After being a constant roadblock in my Warden's quest to save the whole goddamn world, going so far as to make multiple attempts on my Warden's life, nothing can convince me that keeping Loghain around is a good idea.

 

That said, my dislike of the character aside, I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing Loghain ever again.  He's really not that important of a character in the grand scheme of things.  His story is done.

[llandwynwyn]

Well, I could only find in me the will to forgive him once. Loghain is an interesting character and all, but he isn't worth the loss of Alistair. You can count with a loyal Prince Ali  for the rest of your life.

[KC_Prototype]

Exactly. Deal with his little rebellion by crushing his rebels. Simply killing him and Howe would have already dealt a pretty big blow to them.

 

That aside I just can't bring myself to support sparing a man who left his King and the order that my character is apart of to die, made multiple attempts on the life of the King's heir, hired a known blood mage to poison an Arl, allowed the slaughter of Couslands and sold his own citizens into slavery. It just seems like a bad political move all around. Even if never does anything like this again the fact remains that he wounded too many different groups of people.

Same. He had to die by either my hand or by Alistair's. He had to pay for his crimes to his country. He became an irony of a person by the end.

[duckley]

Just say no

[Eveangaline]

I often recruit loghain so he can die stopping the blight and redeem himself. He's a great character, and Alistair still gets a pretty happy ending married to Anora and on the throne.

[TK514]

I'd love to see Loghain again in DA:I. He's just the foil necessary to keep the Wardens from being drawn into the Orlesian Game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The only times I don't spare Loghain is when I have a character who is romancing Alistair. 

[Orihime]

hate him so much

 

love alistair so

 

loghain betrays alot and in my opinion id kill him off in my playthrough anyway and have alistair do it

[Former_Fiend]

Beyond just really liking Loghain as a character(He's hands down my favorite dragon age character, bar none), I think everyone should ask themselves a simple question;

 

Which scenario opens itself to more interesting stories later on down the line?

[The Night Haunter]

Beyond just really liking Loghain as a character(He's hands down my favorite dragon age character, bar none), I think everyone should ask themselves a simple question;

 

Which scenario opens itself to more interesting stories later on down the line?

Killing Leliana.

How can that not have an awesome story behind it when Inquisitor talks to Leliana about the Warden?

 

Keeping Loghain alive while putting Alistair and Anora together on the throne.

That's got so much potential friction, plotting and drama that its practically Orzammar politics.

 

Bhelen on the throne with the Anvil intact.

Bhelen wants change, change makes much more interesting stories than stagnation (Harrowmont). The Anvil allows the dwarves to secure more Thaigs, where we can uncover more secrets and stories (look at Kal'Hirol).

 

Slaughter the elves with the Werewolves.

Come on, they are werewolves. How can that not have great story elements to it?

 

Let Redcliffe burn!

How much more interesting would Redcliffe be in DAI if the Warden didn't save it? A lot.

 

.... I didn't really do all this except in one run through, cause I'm not that evil. (Except Loghain, I made him live lots)

[LPPrince]

allowed the slaughter of Couslands

 

He didn't. He just couldn't do anything about it because Howe was too influential and powerful an ally. He would've acted, but that would've been a baaad idea at the time.

 

But anyway, I suggest keeping any characters that can survive alive, so there's more content for them in the future.

 

The only character that I absolutely will make sure is dead is Anders.

[In Exile]

That's tyrannical. The Landsmeet doesn't like tyrannical. End of the day the Landsmeet decides who is king. Keep in mind that before Cailan married Anora, Bryce Cousland was going to be king. They could just as easily rebel against Alistair as they did with Loghain. 

 

You want a untied Ferelden. Make Loghain a Warden and make him work off his crimes. 

 

Loghain detractors are too biased to look at the political ramifications objectively.  

 

If the bans undermine their elected King, they're traitors. There are always nobles scheming in the shadows because they lost the latest power struggle. It's business as usual in that case. But if the lot that threw in with him wants to do more, then, say, Eamon is justified in bringing them down. 

[thats1evildude]

I dunno, the visceral pleasure of seeing Loghain's head on a pike outweighs any potential story opportunities for me.

[Shark17676]

Loghain detractors are too biased to look at the political ramifications objectively.  

 

Executing Loghain will have negative political consequences?  My canon Warden's ending says otherwise.

[Eveangaline]

Executing Loghain will have negative political consequences?  My canon Warden's ending says otherwise.

 

Yeah I like sparing Loghain when I don't want me or alistair to die killing the archdemon but I don't get why people think something bad happens when you kill him? Times my warden died instead I hooked up anora and alistair with loghain dead or times I let alistair be a gray warden instead of forcing him to be king all end fine with dead loghain. (Well except that if Anora rules alone things end bad for the city elves...)

[Xetykins]

The ogb would make a more interesting future plot than any of Loghain being alive by miles. So owff wiff his haeed.

[Former_Fiend]

The ogb would make a more interesting future plot than any of Loghain being alive by miles. So owff wiff his haeed.

 

...You say that as if they're mutually exclusive options.

[Xetykins]

...You say that as if they're mutually exclusive options.

No but thats my alibi for always killing him :-)