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[nightcobra]

You mentioned 'He Who Shall Not Be Named'!!!!! Chaos must ensue!!!!!

 

 

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That title belongs to another character in another bioware series

 

 

 

 

...sodding space magic  

[Xetykins]

Waiting for eamon? O.o Cailan shot that down? O.o And yes Loghain is very incompetent in the game. Let us for one moment day dream that ostagar was not his fault. Done? Ok......


He saw the the horrors and the magnitude of the darkspawn and what they did to at least 60% ferelden's army. Yet he still thought he does not need help. Instead he sits his ass in denerim doing nothing but warmongerring among the nobles. Stealing lands for king loghain killing off more potential soldiers through civil wars. Selling off elves instead of equipping them. And that rediculous thing about he's got cure for arl eamon if its true then he should have given it to him to have the redcliff soldiers which is a considerable force if I understand. Aaand instead of doing all those, he sits there stewing on his hate for the grey wardens and instead plan for their deaths instead of the darkspawn.


Worse of all he claims to want to protect ferelden. Yet, he let the villages burn without a wiff of his scent. Now... if my wardens sees him doing that at the very least, then she would gladly spare him most of the time. Then at least he has done ONE thing right. As it is in the game he has only shown instability and incompetence and failures after failures. Therefore he is realy useless to my cause in every way. Thats why he wont be in inquisition in MY game.

[In Exile]

You're assuming a lot about the plan. Loghain advised a retreat. Cailan mentions that they knew the darkspawn outnumbered them, so I doubt including them outnumbering the darkspawn was a part of Loghains plan. The whole plan was Cailans, Loghain tried to make it better, but as we can tell from their brief interactions Cailan is very dismissive of Loghain. Loghain tries to bring up waiting for Eamon and Cailan throws the Orliasans in his face just to get his way. You can say it was Loghains idea to attack at Ostagar all you want, but the actual evidence in the game shows that Loghain wanted to wait, and Cailan didn't. A general can only do so much when his King is an idiot.

 

back to Highever: Cousland army is wiped out with the King (otherwise the human noble would already have an army right off the bat). So Howe is sitting pretty. But as I said Loghain could have attacked Howe with better effect than siding with him, but Loghain isn't good at politics. Plus hindsight is 20/20.

 

If Loghain's approach to Cailain's desire for a battle is draft a plan so stupid victory is impossible if everyone followed it, then he's either a traitor from the start or an idiot. Since the defence of Loghain is usually that he decided to leave the battle once he saw it was lost, the only explanation for what he did at Ostagar is mind-bending stupidity. 

 

Waiting for Eamon would be pointless if the idea of tactic was to use a strategy that relies on numerical superiority. In the real world, you don't get to draft a plan in ideal situations. A supposed tactical genius could come up with a better than than one guaranteed to result in defeat 100 time out of 100. This isn't a matter of hindsight: it is blindingly obvious his plan has no hope for success if he's outnumbered. 

 

Howe isn't sitting pretty even if Loghain returns with zero troops, because Amaranthine can't match the remainder of Ferelden. That is the whole idea behind his being a middling lord. If he had the military power to actually intimidate the rest of the realm even when the Royal Army included the combined might of Loghain, Bryce and whatever other lords answered Cailan' call, he'd already be the unquestioned greatest lord in the realm. But he's not. 

 

And again, this isn't about good politics. Howe committed the worst possible treason against the Crown. The only explanation for his continued existence is that he was in on it with Loghain, which makes civil war inevitable. Loghain would have to not just be stupid not to see this, he would have to be so  mentally deficient that it would be impossible to believe he could be competent at any activity that required actual thought. 

[Mykel54]

I do like Loghain as a character, but even i see that his plan B was to leave Cailan to die. The plan A was to get Cailan to obey him, because the ones ruling Ferelden pre-blight were Loghain and Anora. Once Cailan starts acting independently, risking the entrance of orlesian forces in the country, and just plainly not listening to Loghain, then he gives him up as a lost cause. All of this is justified because he did it to save Ferelden, of course.

 

The notion that retreating from Ostagar was merely improvised does not hold water with anything else we see ingame (the regent crown, bryce´s death and howe´s take over), plus it makes Loghain looks terribly incompetent. If you have read the stolen throne, Maric tells Loghain that Ferelden is more important that bloodlines, and that a good king will be a good king no matter his blood.

 

It is just that Loghain never gets to admit all this stuff to the warden, there is a lot he never tells you but it is clear to see. Morrigan also don´t tell you that she is a bloodmage and then at the ending she suddenly is doing a blood magic ritual (there are some hints of what she is during the game, specially redcliff and the urn of sacred ashes quest). With Loghain it is the same thing, there are hints thorough the game about what Loghain was planning, but he never admits anything of this.

 

That said, i like him because he is a flawed character, he wants to save Ferelden, but he thinks he is the only capable of doing it, so he must be in charge.

[berelinde]

I do like Loghain as a character, but even i see that his plan B was to leave Cailan to die. The plan A was to get Cailan to obey him, because the ones ruling Ferelden pre-blight were Loghain and Anora. Once Cailan starts acting independently, risking the entrance of orlesian forces in the country, and just plainly not listening to Loghain, then he gives him up as a lost cause. All of this is justified because he did it to save Ferelden, of course.

 

The notion that retreating from Ostagar was merely improvised does not hold water with anything else we see ingame (the regent crown, bryce´s death and howe´s take over), plus it makes Loghain looks terribly incompetent. If you have read the stolen throne, Maric tells Loghain that Ferelden is more important that bloodlines, and that a good king will be a good king no matter his blood.

 

It is just that Loghain never gets to admit all this stuff to the warden, there is a lot he never tells you but it is clear to see. Morrigan also don´t tell you that she is a bloodmage and then at the ending she suddenly is doing a blood magic ritual (there are some hints of what she is during the game, specially redcliff and the urn of sacred ashes quest). With Loghain it is the same thing, there are hints thorough the game about what Loghain was planning, but he never admits anything of this.

 

That said, i like him because he is a flawed character, he wants to save Ferelden, but he thinks he is the only capable of doing it, so he must be in charge.

I like your analysis of Loghain. I too like flawed characters, especially those with good intentions, and even more especially those whose good intentions lead them to make catastrophic mistakes. Which means that yes, I like Loghain very much, and I always agonize over what to do with him after Landsmeet.

 

But I don't think Loghain's motives are necessarily plain to see. I've played through the game many times and I've read all of the novels, but it took a lot of playthroughs for me to appreciate what, exactly, Loghain was trying to accomplish.

 

Ultimately, he failed as a general. He perceived two threats to his beloved Ferelden: the darkspawn and Orlais. He misjudged which one was greater. When he stood at the council table with Cailan, I don't think he planned to abandon the king. He did vastly underestimate the size of the horde. When he saw that the battle was a rout, he decided to withdraw and regroup... which is a fancy way of saying that he noped all the way back to Denerim. After that, the plan was to deal with Orlais and then mop up the darkspawn. His poor (and not entirely unjustified) opinion of Cailan (whom I also adore) made him blind to the very real threat the horde posed. He was convinced that the threat of a Blight was nothing more than Cailan's vanity, and he was willing to sacrifice a small portion of Ferelden to prevent Celene from taking the rest. Or at least that's what he thought. I imagine that he was pooping out pickles once he discovered that the horde had taken the Wilds and Lothering, and was cutting a broad path across the Bannorn.

 

And he did know that it did not take noble blood to make a good king... but having noble blood did not make a king bad. For all Cailan's endearing idiocy, he was good for Ferelden. Loghain was charismatic, but he was no Cailan, and he was definitely no Maric. And that's where it falls apart. He *knew* that Maric was a good king, despite his occasional bouts of foolishness. Maric had the presence, the charm, the magnetism to sway multitudes. Cailan had it, too, but Loghain was so convinced that he would never be Maric's equal that he never gave him the chance to prove it.

[Shark17676]

Loghain always struck me as a rather stupid individual.  I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought so.

 

Orlais > the Blight?  Seriously?

[Giggles_Manically]

I only want him back cause that would mean Simon Templeman would be back.

That dude has an awesome voice for VO.

[ReallyRue]

I'd like him to be back, since the Wardens play a prominent role in the story.

I feel like he, Alistair, Beth/Carver and the Awakening Wardens are all strong candidates for cameos/roles in this.

[FairfaxGal]

I think that Loghain did see Orlais as a greater threat than the blight (remember it had been 400 years since the blight). I think he thought that the Grey Wardens were, as Orlesian spies, playing up the blight to get Orlesian troops into Fereldan. His response was to come up with a plan designed to kill all the Grey Wardens in Fereldan. He argued that Cailan should not be with the Grey Wardens not that the battle shouldn't happen. I think he planned on never having the beacon lit so he could have a plausible reason for not coming to the Grey Wardens aid. Once they were all dead then Cailan would listen to him again and everything would be hunky dory. (That he was completely wrong is not something he could have known at the time.) When Cailan insisted on fighting with the Grey Wardens and talked up the Orlesians, Loghain decided he was already a lost cause and that leaving Cailan alive would only result in the Orlesians taking over again. I assume he would have instructed the men guarding the Tower of Ishal to not light the beacon and the only change he would need to have made when our Warden and Alistair were sent there would have been to have his men either kill or imprison us.

I think Loghain was also planning to use the confusion caused by the darkspawn to get rid of anyone who might have sympathy for Orlais (even if that idea was totally in his brain). So Arl Eamon, whose wife was Orlesian, and the Couslands, who had some kind of interactions with Orlais that I don't recall the specifics about, had to go. Howe talked about evidence that the Couslands' were traitors as being the reason for his take over and Loghain did send Fergus out on a "scouting" mission into the middle of the horde.

All that said, I find his actions after Cailan died to be totally ridiculous and I almost always kill him off in my play throughs. I tend to think of him more as an overzealous patriot who gets in over his head but who doesn't stop digging than as totally evil. However, reading the comments here does make me want to have at least one DA:I play through with him around if only to see if he's able to wreak havoc during the Orlesian Civil War. Because, he would really really enjoy messing with the Orlesians like that.

[Reaverwind]

I only want him back cause that would mean Simon Templeman would be back.

That dude has an awesome voice for VO.

 

No reason why he couldn't voice another character. Seems odd to hire him only to have him voice a bit part.

[The Night Haunter]

If Loghain's approach to Cailain's desire for a battle is draft a plan so stupid victory is impossible if everyone followed it, then he's either a traitor from the start or an idiot. Since the defence of Loghain is usually that he decided to leave the battle once he saw it was lost, the only explanation for what he did at Ostagar is mind-bending stupidity. 

 

Waiting for Eamon would be pointless if the idea of tactic was to use a strategy that relies on numerical superiority. In the real world, you don't get to draft a plan in ideal situations. A supposed tactical genius could come up with a better than than one guaranteed to result in defeat 100 time out of 100. This isn't a matter of hindsight: it is blindingly obvious his plan has no hope for success if he's outnumbered. 

 

Howe isn't sitting pretty even if Loghain returns with zero troops, because Amaranthine can't match the remainder of Ferelden. That is the whole idea behind his being a middling lord. If he had the military power to actually intimidate the rest of the realm even when the Royal Army included the combined might of Loghain, Bryce and whatever other lords answered Cailan' call, he'd already be the unquestioned greatest lord in the realm. But he's not. 

 

And again, this isn't about good politics. Howe committed the worst possible treason against the Crown. The only explanation for his continued existence is that he was in on it with Loghain, which makes civil war inevitable. Loghain would have to not just be stupid not to see this, he would have to be so  mentally deficient that it would be impossible to believe he could be competent at any activity that required actual thought. 

Well you keep repeating the same arguments I've refuted over and over as though that makes them true, while ignoring every point I bring up. So if you are so consumed with hating Loghain be my guest. You can say his plan sucked all you want as though it is his fault, while ignoring Cailan shooting him down. I suggest you replay Ostagar since you seem to have forgotton most of it.

Again: Come up with a better plan. You have hindsight and time on your side, which Loghain didn't have, yet all I hear from you is 'His plan sucked.' Not what a better plan would be.

Howe: How does anyone know that Howe murdered the Couslands? Did he send out a memo? Unless Warden is human noble there is no evidence of anyone escaping. You seem to be assuming people like putting up facebook status'. No-one knew the truth of Cousland/Howe event besides Howe and his men. I've already agreed that Loghain would have been smarter to turn on Howe, but consider this: Loghain turns on Howe and unites Ferelden in that conflict, then immediately turns them around and throws them against the Horde. Where in this scenario is there a game? If they made the 'villians' as smart as they could be, making all the right decisions then games would end after 1 hour when we auto-lose.

 

I think Loghain was also planning to use the confusion caused by the darkspawn to get rid of anyone who might have sympathy for Orlais (even if that idea was totally in his brain). So Arl Eamon, whose wife was Orlesian, and the Couslands, who had some kind of interactions with Orlais that I don't recall the specifics about, had to go. Howe talked about evidence that the Couslands' were traitors as being the reason for his take over and Loghain did send Fergus out on a "scouting" mission into the middle of the horde.

Misinformation is key.

[berelinde]

Loghain always struck me as a rather stupid individual.  I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought so.

 

Orlais > the Blight?  Seriously?

I know where you're coming from with this, but there are a few nuances you might want to consider.

 

Loghain is not unintelligent. Under normal circumstances, he might be considered an expert strategist, in fact. But he's no scholar. He has heard of Blights, just as everyone has, but there had not been a Blight for 400 years. That's plenty of time to forget the magnitude of the devastation they cause. To him, they were a story told to frighten children into obedience. He never believed that a Blight would return, so he saw no need for Grey Wardens. They were once thrown out of Ferelden for Sophia Dreyden's depravity. He probably thought Maric was out of his mind for letting them back at all. Orlais... now there was a threat he understood. The last time somebody let Orlesians into Ferelden, they took over the country and exploited it for 75 years. And it wasn't just large-scale domination. Nothing that was personally important to him was spared. His father sacrificed himself to save Maric. His mother was raped and murdered in front of him. Even his dog was stolen by Orlesians and tortured to death. That would have left an impression.

 

Nobody is saying that Loghain didn't make mistakes. Underestimating the Blight was a big one. But it was not an indicator of abject stupidity.

 

After all that, I hope Loghain does appear in Inquisition, especially if he's been transferred to Orlais. I am not a vindictive person, but it would be amusing to see him surrounded by chevaliers, trying desperately not to explode.

[LPPrince]

Its been a long time. Who knows how he's doing in world states where he survives Denerim.

[Todd23]

And the generals preferred strategy was retreat. Cailan's was attack. Loghain's part of the plan - keeping most of the army in reserve - was a good plan. Had the darkspawn numbered less his army would have hit the darkspawn on the side while the focused on Cailan. As it was Loghain's advice to fall back turned out to be good advice. Given what Loghain could see Cailan was vastly outnumbered and so was he. The only sound plan that would waste the majority of Ferelden's able men on a useless gesture trying to save a foolish king was to retreat. Cailan backed himself into a corner, and Loghain made the only reasonable choice.

Was there a better plan for Ostagar? Sure, a fighting retreat, picking off the darkspawn's lead elements while slowly giving ground and waiting for Eamon. But Cailan already shot that down. Making a stand somewhere besides a forest, where you could actually see the full extent of the enemy and plan accordingly would have been good, but Cailan's hunger for glory put that plan to rest.

You keep calling Loghain an incompetent general, how would you have done better given that Cailan wasn't going to approve anything that wasn't a straight up battle?

Hmm well first If my plan was to retreat, I'd at least suggest retreating at one point or another. Second I wouldn't tell Cailan that the battle is too dangerous and then doom him by abandoning the field. Honestly my battle strategy would be very similar to what they did only I'd have had most of the army behind the walls, not only would this have given them some extra time with the archers and balistas digging into the army but when Cailan and the Grey Wardens lead the charge the first darkspawn they faced would have been whomever made it over the wall instead of the entire Horde plus this would have given them some kind of warning when the surprise attack from the Deep Roads came from the tower and instead of retreating and trying to doom the entire nation I would've actually used my soldiers against darkspawn! And you keep saying that they were doomed from the start when they actually put up a good fight with out all those soldiers. How was taking his soldiers away from the darkspawn to face the rest of Fereldan reasonable? At one point, even HOWE saw it and tried to convince low-gain that he needed to actually fight the darkspawn.

[berelinde]

Its been a long time. Who knows how he's doing in world states where he survives Denerim.

That's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Keep! I really want to see what he's up to in Orlais... but I've only got two playthroughs where he survived.

 

As much as I like the character - and I do! - I have a hard time creating Wardens who can overlook Ostagar. Loghain may have had his reasons, and I understand what they are, but all my Wardens know is that he left everyone to die at Ostagar and almost lost the country to civil war afterward.

[In Exile]

Well you keep repeating the same arguments I've refuted over and over as though that makes them true, while ignoring every point I bring up. So if you are so consumed with hating Loghain be my guest. You can say his plan sucked all you want as though it is his fault, while ignoring Cailan shooting him down. I suggest you replay Ostagar since you seem to have forgotton most of it.

Again: Come up with a better plan. You have hindsight and time on your side, which Loghain didn't have, yet all I hear from you is 'His plan sucked.' Not what a better plan would be.

Howe: How does anyone know that Howe murdered the Couslands? Did he send out a memo? Unless Warden is human noble there is no evidence of anyone escaping. You seem to be assuming people like putting up facebook status'. No-one knew the truth of Cousland/Howe event besides Howe and his men. I've already agreed that Loghain would have been smarter to turn on Howe, but consider this: Loghain turns on Howe and unites Ferelden in that conflict, then immediately turns them around and throws them against the Horde. Where in this scenario is there a game? If they made the 'villians' as smart as they could be, making all the right decisions then games would end after 1 hour when we auto-lose.

 

You haven't refuted anything. In fact, you haven't even bothered to address the points I raised. 

 

It doesn't matter that Cailan shot him down. There are better plans for fighting the darkspawn at Ostagar that what Loghain used. That is the point. Not that the fight was winnable, but that the plan chosen was so unspeakably moronic that it clearly illustrated no capacity for tactical thought. As for a better plan, I told you in my first post: simply positioning the royal army at the other end of the causeway would have saved lives, by using it as a chokepoint. His mistakes were that basic.

 

Now, the point about there being no evidence of what Howe did is more sensible. Assuming, again, that he controls his sworn retainers through powerful telepathy so that absolutely no one rats him out, Loghain can't know that he's a traitor. There's still the issue of how everyone at Highever died, but let's assume there's a convincing lie here to be used. At this point, we can actually justify Loghain allying with Howe without being mentally deficient. 

[LPPrince]

In my eyes, he left people to die who were going to die no matter what he did, and then while trying to rally forces together to save the country, couldn't get everyone to agree thus civil disagreements, along with making mistakes

 

I get why he did what he did, and I can't fault him for it. Actually I can, as its defendable and deplorable, but he's still a human being and as such, I feel he should be offered the chance to make things better for everyone, as we all should do.

 

So in my case, he lived, the Warden took out the Archdemon and survived(Dark Ritual), so he's all good doing his thing.

[The Night Haunter]

Hmm well first If my plan was to retreat, I'd at least suggest retreating at one point or another. 

I think you need to replay Ostagar. Both Duncan and Loghain mention waiting for Arl Eamon.

[Rayndorn]

I actually find Loghain's character extremely intriguing. However, I've almost always killed him - I just prefer Alistair as a party member. This is why...

Keep Alistair with you - the man who has been through hell and back by your side, and overcome any personal dislike he may have harboured for your character to continue the mission

Replace Alistair with Loghain - Swap out your oldest party member for a guy who's tried to kill you multiple times, and whom you only get to understand near the end of the game.

Like I said, I do like the idea of sparing Loghain, and I have. I just wish that the decision between him and Alistair would have been harder or more complex, rather than the reasons above. If it would've been possible to spare him and keep Alistair, that would've been my default choice.

To remain on topic, however, I'd love to see Loghain in Inquisition! 10 years is a long time, though, and I imagine he's quite a bit older. 
Nonetheless, having him as some surprise tactician for the Inquisition would be very cool.

[The Night Haunter]

You haven't refuted anything. In fact, you haven't even bothered to address the points I raised. 

 

It doesn't matter that Cailan shot him down. There are better plans for fighting the darkspawn at Ostagar that what Loghain used. That is the point. Not that the fight was winnable, but that the plan chosen was so unspeakably moronic that it clearly illustrated no capacity for tactical thought. As for a better plan, I told you in my first post: simply positioning the royal army at the other end of the causeway would have saved lives, by using it as a chokepoint. His mistakes were that basic.

 

Now, the point about there being no evidence of what Howe did is more sensible. Assuming, again, that he controls his sworn retainers through powerful telepathy so that absolutely no one rats him out, Loghain can't know that he's a traitor. There's still the issue of how everyone at Highever died, but let's assume there's a convincing lie here to be used. At this point, we can actually justify Loghain allying with Howe without being mentally deficient. 

Howe: Word of veteran noble who fought for Ferelden against Orlais vs word of retainers. How everyone at Highever died: they were traitors! History is written by the victors after all. No other noble even bothers calling Howe out in any of the cut scenes or chats (apart from Human Noble) so he obviously did a good job at framing the Couslands.

 

Cailan's army was located in the chokepoint. You can see the towers to either side of him. If the army was further back the Darkspawn would have had easier access to the towers (In return to Ostagar the tower entrance is on the wrong side of the keep to defend it from the far side of the choke point). Cailan's army couldn't really be positioned anywhere else without leaving the archers vulnerable, plus if they were on the far end of the trench then the darkspawn could have flowed around the towers (Loghains army was only on one side of the towers) and flanked Cailan, that wouldn't even be tactics on the darkspawns part, simply horde mentality. Loghain's army was off in the forest where it belonged. By the time the beacon was lit there were too many spawn between him and Cailan. Loghains plan was the best there was when limited by Cailan's glory hounding.

[Shark17676]

Yes, I'm fully aware that Loghain has a tragic backstory, none of it portraying Orlais in a positive light.

 

I could mention that he's not the only one who's had it rough...one of my Wardens saw his home get razed and his parents murdered, and was almost killed himself.  Another Warden grew up as a Castless rat in the slums and experienced hardship every waking moment of his life.  But that's a bit of "neither here nor there" territory.

 

Anyway, there comes a time when a person in Loghain's position, where the well-being of the entire world is at stake, has to suck it up and assess the situation strategically.  I'm utterly flabbergasted at his behavior since anyone with a lick of sense could see that the glaring immediate threat was the Blight...if Loghain really had that much of a problem with Orlais that he's willing to overlook the freaking Blight in order to defend against a potential Orlesian menace (mostly in his own mind), then he really wasn't fit for duty in the first place.

[DaySeeker]

Logain betrayed his people and his king based on his own obsession, and in doing so almost destroyed the country. He locks up his daughter and teams up with some of the most treacherous folks in the kingdom. He kills most of. The gray wardens and attempts to kill you.

These, to me, are the important facts outside of whatever others try to put in his head. He is by every definition a traitor.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Loghain always struck me as a rather stupid individual.  I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought so.

 

Orlais > the Blight?  Seriously?

 

After what the Orlesian did to his family and friends, I can understand why he'd rather be killed by the blight than let Orlais rule Fereldan again.

[BubbleDncr]

No reason why he couldn't voice another character. Seems odd to hire him only to have him voice a bit part.

 

He voiced some NPC's in SWTOR, and everytime he showed up I was like, "it's Loghain!"

 

Same with Fenris' voice actor, and Jenneifer Hale.

 

There are some voice actors that are too recognizable, and it just breaks my immersion when they show up in other roles than what I first heard them in.

[The Night Haunter]

Anyway, there comes a time when a person in Loghain's position, where the well-being of the entire world is at stake, has to suck it up and assess the situation strategically.  I'm utterly flabbergasted at his behavior since anyone with a lick of sense could see that the glaring immediate threat was the Blight...if Loghain really had that much of a problem with Orlais that he's willing to overlook the freaking Blight in order to defend against a potential Orlesian menace (mostly in his own mind), then he really wasn't fit for duty in the first place.

Why? It had been 400 years since the last Blight, a time during which humanity thought the Blights had ended. On top of that Grey Wardens had been kicked out Ferelden for a long time (200 years? Maybe just 100) so for all that time there was no-one saying 'Don't forget about the Darkspawn'. From a meta perspective obviously the Blight is the big threat, but to Loghain's mind, and anyone else who isn't a Grey Warden, the Blights are just stories. Cailan himself doubts it was a true Blight. If the King who really believes in the Wardens doesn't think its a Blight, why should Loghain, or anyone else for that matter? Just because the Grey Wardens said so? Well consider, the Grey Wardens authority in Ferelden was near nonexistent, how better to regain some of their lost prestige and political clout than to call a larger than average darkspawn incursion a Blight.

You have to look at it from the point of view of someone in the world, not one of us looking in from the outside.