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[animedreamer]

When I say Lady, im not trying to exclude personality quirks, like being a tomboy, or aggressive, or anything in between, it's just that I have vivid memories of Mass Effect FemShep doing things that Sheploo could do and get away with, (sitting across from Garrus in ME2 with her legs spread wide you know what im talking about, http://i1.ytimg.com/...xresdefault.jpg ) that awkward run that Femshep does is based on maleshep, but it seems awkward, more belieable than Lady Hawke lol, but still kind of O_o wtf? 

 

Secondly speech, I know its kind of late now but im kind of concerned how the script reflects the difference in gender if you play male or female inquisitor, in DA:O origins because the MC isn't speaking out loud, its passable, but DA2 it's more noticeable that no matter what you say as either gender, it comes out pretty much the same.. for me it kind of kills the idea that she has a women's frame of mind, or that the male characters have a guys frame of mind. Sure a lot of it depends on what kind of personality the inquisitor has, but I mean men and women generally think different and i think it usually shows in their speech, and body language, gestures. Even without dialog wheel choices it's be nice if i got the impression that the actress is not just repeating what the male actor said but with a female voice.

 

I'm all for gender equality, but it wouldn't hurt for gender attention to be added to the game would it? There doesn't have to be a lot of such situations where depending on your gender, certain options for conversation or story paths open up, but since race sounds like it will alter the story a bit, why not have gender do the same thing but on a smaller level. It would seem a young lord might be more receptive of a female inquisitor who has massed a army in which she intends to use to protect him and his lands, as well as the rest of the known world despite being female possibly attractive and single just saying.. lol

[Vapaa]

What is "acting like a lady" ?

Which also begs the question: what is "acting like a man" ?

 

Femshep and the skirt is an unfortunate consequence of an animation made without (and in fact, before) that particular outfit in mind, otherwise, there's nothing really wrong with it.

 

You could make a point that animations were ported from Maleshep to Femshep and thus the intent is male-orientated, but if they should go out of their way to create "female-specific animations", then on what basis should those be made ?

[Beerfish]

BioWare went out their their way to make a more feminine run/walk animation due to people saying they didn't like femshep having the same animations as male shep, then they get blasted for having a sway hips run.  Can't win for losin.

[General TSAR]

BioWare went out their their way to make a more feminine run/walk animation due to people saying they didn't like femshep having the same animations as male shep, then they get blasted for having a sway hips run.  Can't win for losin.

(Monotone voice) This seems to be the case, unfortunately. 

[pdusen]

You could make a point that animations were ported from Maleshep to Femshep and thus the intent is male-orientated, but if they should go out of their way to create "female-specific animations", then on what basis should those be made ?

 

Uh... well, biology would be a good place to start.

[Battlebloodmage]

Walk like a girl?

 

 

I want my femquisitor to walk like she's about to break someone's legs, not having a hair salon appointment.

[animedreamer]

What is "acting like a lady" ?

Which also begs the question: what is "acting like a man" ?

 

That is something each person has to ask themselves, but it doesn't necessarily change what someone else thinks a lady should be like. I hope that answers your question because im not delving any deeper than that.

[AkiKishi]

Problem with that is that everyone has their own ideas about what that means. Beerfish hit the nail on the head there.

[naddaya]

for me it kind of kills the idea that she has a women's frame of mind, or that the male characters have a guys frame of mind

 

I agree that Shep looked ridiculous walking with her invisible pecs syndrome, but what does this even mean?

 

 

BioWare went out their their way to make a more feminine run/walk animation due to people saying they didn't like femshep having the same animations as male shep, then they get blasted for having a sway hips run.  Can't win for losin.

 

Most people complained that the animations looked off because they were recycled, not that they were too masculine (although some people probably complained about that too). Her frame is smaller that dudeshep's, so she often ended up clipping into things and other characters, floating in the air instead of sitting, her joints looked unnatural etc.

[happy_daiz]

I didn't mind how they did it in DA2. Sure, the hip sway might have been just a bit more than was needed, but it was definitely better than the femShep gorilla.

[themikefest]

The way femshep ran when you're on the Citadel she would qualify for playing as a fullback on a football team

 

femhawke when walking  had her butt going from side to side like she was some model on a runway showing off a new dress. 

 

Just have femquisitor walk naturally.

[Nefla]

The game should give us the option of acting however we want. If I want a girly frou-frou girl fine, if I want a macho girl who will break your nose? Fine. If I want a "feminine" guy? Fine. I don't want to be forced to be some kind of stereotype that will make me not want to play as my own gender.

[AkiKishi]

It has something to do with the structure of the pelvis so it's not like it is not correct even if people don't agree with it. There is also some more controversial research on why women swing their hips, but since it looks like a powder keg I'll leave that to google for interested parties.

[AkiKishi]

The game should give us the option of acting however we want. If I want a girly frou-frou girl fine, if I want a macho girl who will break your nose? Fine. If I want a "feminine" guy? Fine. I don't want to be forced to be some kind of stereotype that will make me not want to play as my own gender.

 

But thats not going to happen. Despiste all the talk of my Hawke or my Inquisitor They are no less defined in their place in the story than a character like Geralt. If you think about it , the things you can change like name and ethnicity have zero impact on anything. It's just not realistic to expect to have control over the character to that level in a voice acted game.

[happy_daiz]

The game should give us the option of acting however we want. If I want a girly frou-frou girl fine, if I want a macho girl who will break your nose? Fine. If I want a "feminine" guy? Fine. I don't want to be forced to be some kind of stereotype that will make me not want to play as my own gender.

Yet another reason why I love the Dragon's Dogma character creator. In addition to all the normal stuff, you can pick height, weight, and masculine/feminine posture and stance. This affects how your character stands, walks, etc. Granted, there are lots of things you can't do with it, but it covers these bases quite well.

[Kantr]

Basing it on how people actually walk would seem the best way to go. Although everyone walks differently based on pelvis structure, weight, foot structure and a few other things.

 

Although I think even ignoring the fact that femshep is wearing a dress, sitting like that in trousers is not really appropriate. I don't know of anyone (either gender) that sits like that though.

[TheWhitefire]

Depends on how sour a mood I'm in, but sometimes I sit like that when I'm really angry.

[naddaya]

Basing it on how people actually walk would seem the best way to go. Although everyone walks differently based on pelvis structure, weight, foot structure and a few other things.

 

Although I think even ignoring the fact that femshep is wearing a dress, sitting like that in trousers is not really appropriate. I don't know of anyone (either gender) that sits like that though.

 

 I do

C'mon, she was talking to Garrus, it's not like she was in the middle of a council meeting.

[AkiKishi]

Men - Exposing the Crotch

 

When we talk about sexual interest, expressive man have the "crotch display" - sitting with the legs wide apart to signal virility and availability. These men usually signal that they feel dominant, strong and even a little smug - this position takes a lot of space and exposes their groin for the whole world to see. Needless to say it can easily offend others (or on the contrary - entice them) So while it's good to show confidence, if you don't want to annoy anyone - mind the distance between your knees.

 

• Keeping the knees together

This one is a tricky one, because while it can show a reserved and timid mindset, many females taught to sit this way for obvious reasons (skirts) and stick to this habit throughout their lives. But men have no excuse of using such display - and it’s quite rare to observe such an obvious display of insecurity.

• Covering Gentiles

 

Covering the crotch can be done by holding the legs tight and\or crossing the hands over it.

Just like spreading the legs yells "Look at me! I'm here! I'm fertile and powerful" so covering the same area sends the opposite message "I'm unsure, tiny and timid, please don't hurt me."

 

[Althix]

[HuldraDancer]

Basing it on how people actually walk would seem the best way to go. Although everyone walks differently based on pelvis structure, weight, foot structure and a few other things.

 

Although I think even ignoring the fact that femshep is wearing a dress, sitting like that in trousers is not really appropriate. I don't know of anyone (either gender) that sits like that though.

 

you mean when she was talking to Garrus with her legs spread and leaning on them? I sit or lounge like that usually quite comfortable actually but i don't have my legs that far apart when I'm talking to someone usually aside from close friends and family and isn't Garrus a close friend of Shepards so its all good. (though it does look really weird if you have her in the dress)

 

More on topic if they are going to have different animations for the female and male PCs it would be nice if they found a good middle nothing over the top and not copying and pasting ones walk and run to the other maybe they could look at how soldiers or athletes walk or run as a reference? Not sure what the OP means by the dialogue though it seemed fine to me so maybe they could explain what they mean about it seeming like they copied and paste from the male PC? I'd rather have copy and paste with dialogue rather than have the developers do something like for example make the Female PC dialogue more emotional or kind hearted and make the Male PC dialogue more business and to the point. Or were you more referring to the way the dialogue is delivered OP? If so then the tone wheel should take care of that right?

[Felya87]

I hated the DA2 walk of Hawke. She seems like instead of moving her pelvis when walking she had the tail of tadpole instead of a spinal column.

[AlanC9]

That is something each person has to ask themselves, but it doesn't necessarily change what someone else thinks a lady should be like. I hope that answers your question because im not delving any deeper than that.

If you don't want to delve deeper than that, then what's Bio supposed to do with your request?

[ReallyRue]

I hope they do make femInquisitor's animations with her frame in mind. They probably would have to, considering the different races. It always slightly peeved me that if you play femShep, say in ME2, she will lean on a railing with her arm floating a good few inches above it. MaleShep's don't because his arms are thicker. I'm sure they could have adjusted things like that so that maybe she's leaning over a little more to rest on the railing, rather than just re-using maleShep's stuff and it looking weird.

 

I liked the running animation from ME1. It was unisex, and quite neutral. Both male and femShep looked fine with it. Skyrim's female Dragonborn also has a nice run, it's got a slight hip movement if you want that, but it's not exaggerated like in DA2. 

[Mockingword]

 

Men - Exposing the Crotch

 

When we talk about sexual interest, expressive man have the "crotch display" - sitting with the legs wide apart to signal virility and availability. These men usually signal that they feel dominant, strong and even a little smug - this position takes a lot of space and exposes their groin for the whole world to see. Needless to say it can easily offend others (or on the contrary - entice them) So while it's good to show confidence, if you don't want to annoy anyone - mind the distance between your knees.

 

• Keeping the knees together

This one is a tricky one, because while it can show a reserved and timid mindset, many females taught to sit this way for obvious reasons (skirts) and stick to this habit throughout their lives. But men have no excuse of using such display - and it’s quite rare to observe such an obvious display of insecurity.

• Covering Gentiles

 

Covering the crotch can be done by holding the legs tight and\or crossing the hands over it.

Just like spreading the legs yells "Look at me! I'm here! I'm fertile and powerful" so covering the same area sends the opposite message "I'm unsure, tiny and timid, please don't hurt me."

 

 

Very informative. What does it mean that I usually sit like this?